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nefashu
post Apr 6 2021, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 12:08 PM)
I think it depends on context? If someone wanna refer to a group of trans people to discuss about their struggles, experiences, etc... by all means they can use the word. Otherwise I don't see a reason to treat trans people differently from cisgender people.

I have a trans male friend and I just treat him as a regular guy.
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In medical, it is important to know if the patient is biological male or female. male medicine and condition is different than women because we have different organ. the law that allow people to change gender on birth cert might backfired is case of emergency.

What is your take on that?
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post Apr 6 2021, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(7up @ Apr 6 2021, 12:00 PM)
Its called bromance. Totally different from being a homo
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I remember using the word "bromance" when my parents asked me why I was too close with a guy from school. But sure... sweat.gif

QUOTE(nefashu @ Apr 6 2021, 12:18 PM)
In medical, it is important to know if the patient is biological male or female. male medicine and condition is different than women because we have different organ. the law that allow people to change gender on birth cert might backfired is case of emergency.

What is your take on that?
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I'm all for trans rights. I don't claim to know a lot about "male/female medicine and condition" but people working in the medical sector should remember their Hippocratic Oath by treating everyone the same regardless of their gender identities and try to be as professional as they can.
nefashu
post Apr 6 2021, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 12:34 PM)
I remember using the word "bromance" when my parents asked me why I was too close with a guy from school. But sure... sweat.gif
I'm all for trans rights. I don't claim to know a lot about "male/female medicine and condition" but people working in the medical sector should remember their Hippocratic Oath by treating everyone the same regardless of their gender identities and try to be as professional as they can.
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Its not about gender identities. Its about biology. A doctor might make a fatal mistake when operating a female patient identify as male if no one told the doctor about it.

That why it is important to keep Biological sex in birth cert.
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post Apr 6 2021, 12:57 PM

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For example prostate cancer. its one of common killer for men.

Yet prostate cancer is very rare for women. too rare that it almost non existing.

If a trans women got prostate cancer and she does not inform doctor about her original sex, the doctor may mistreat the cancer

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post Apr 6 2021, 01:05 PM

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I think you're nitpicking very rare situations to justify adding a single line in birth certificates. sweat.gif

If doctors are lousy enough not to do thorough examination, then that's just negligence on their part.
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post Apr 6 2021, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 01:05 PM)
I think you're nitpicking very rare situations to justify adding a single line in birth certificates. sweat.gif

If doctors are lousy enough not to do thorough examination, then that's just negligence on their part.
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how do you think doctor know if the person is transman or women?

when the patient look like a female and in the form sex: female.

You might call it nitpicking. but it a real issue in medicine.


Gender and sex should be separate in form


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post Apr 6 2021, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(nefashu @ Apr 6 2021, 01:10 PM)
how do you think doctor know if the person is transman or women?

when the patient look like a female and in the form sex: female.

You might call it nitpicking. but it a real issue in medicine.
Gender and sex should be separate in form
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The government should put in place a policy that bans gender-discrimination in healthcare. Doctors should be educated to probe on their patient's gender identities regardless of what it says in the form. Patients should feel comfortable sharing their history of gender transition (if any). Etc...

I agree it is an issue in medicine. But I disagree it should be resolved by following the status quo. sweat.gif
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post Apr 6 2021, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 01:17 PM)
The government should put in place a policy that bans gender-discrimination in healthcare. Doctors should be educated to probe on their patient's gender identities regardless of what it says in the form. Patients should feel comfortable sharing their history of gender transition (if any). Etc...

I agree it is an issue in medicine. But I disagree it should be resolved by following the status quo.  sweat.gif
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what do you mean by gender-discrimination in healthcare? care to give me one example?


"Doctors should be educated to probe on their patient's gender identities regardless of what it says in the form"

The responsibilities to share the information fall to the patient. when you sign the, you agree that all the data you provide is truth. So if any medical complication come from your failure to disclose the info, the onus is on you.

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post Apr 6 2021, 01:26 PM

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Imagine if in accident and the only thing left is the ID. The doctor will assume the gender of the patient base on the ID
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post Apr 6 2021, 01:36 PM

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Study about auto immune disease conclusion:

Eighty percent of all individuals affected by autoimmune disorders tend to be women due to variation within the sex chromosomes and hormonal changes. Currently, there are no known cures to autoimmune disorders.

Doctor will take extra care not to give medicine that may cause auto immune to woman because of this.

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post Apr 6 2021, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(nefashu @ Apr 6 2021, 01:21 PM)
what do you mean by  gender-discrimination in healthcare? care to give me one example?

"Doctors should be educated to probe on their patient's gender identities regardless of what it says in the form"

The responsibilities to share the information fall to the patient. when you sign the, you agree that all the data you provide is truth. So if any medical complication come from your failure to disclose the info, the onus is on you.
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In the US, 1 in 4 transgender people were denied equal treatment in health care settings. Cannot find a similar study in Malaysia, though. sweat.gif

Patients have the reponsibility to tell the truth, yes, but we live in a society that views trans people differently besides all kinds of stigma. Why should doctors assume their patients are being truthful all the time? A doctor must perform due diligence and ask follow up questions.

As a gay man, I'm not supposed to donate my blood but I donate my blood every 3 months anyway. I lie at the donation form all the time because in the blood donation process each sample is sent to the lab for HIV testing before the batch is accepted anyway. So far no one come knocking at my door to arrest me yet. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Apr 6 2021, 01:26 PM)
Imagine if in accident and the only thing left is the ID. The doctor will assume the gender of the patient base on the ID
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What sort of accident? Is the gender of the patient relevant in treating the patient?




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post Apr 6 2021, 02:14 PM

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What sort of accident? Is the gender of the patient relevant in treating the patient?
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I have read "How Drugs Affect the Sexes"

"Eight of the 10 medications, including the allergy drug Seldane and the acid reflux drug Propulsid, put women at more risk of side effects than men."

If patient in critical, doctor will try to avoid any medicine that have higher risk to patient.

you can argue about gender and so on. but for medication, please dont lie to your doctor
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post Apr 6 2021, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 01:53 PM)
In the US, 1 in 4 transgender people were denied equal treatment in health care settings. Cannot find a similar study in Malaysia, though.  sweat.gif

Patients have the reponsibility to tell the truth, yes, but we live in a society that views trans people differently besides all kinds of stigma. Why should doctors assume their patients are being truthful all the time? A doctor must perform due diligence and ask follow up questions.

As a gay man, I'm not supposed to donate my blood but I donate my blood every 3 months anyway. I lie at the donation form all the time because in the blood donation process each sample is sent to the lab for HIV testing before the batch is accepted anyway. So far no one come knocking at my door to arrest me yet. sweat.gif
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Because doctor is not almighty god who knows everything. infact, doctor might get sued for not treating patient based on information given.

If you are not sexually active its ok. If not, please get HIV test before donation. Im talking based on statistic.

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post Apr 7 2021, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(Srbn @ Apr 7 2021, 08:37 AM)
🇲🇾 Putrajaya still keen to amend RUU355 when Parliament sits, wants harsher laws against LGBT
Source: https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...her-law/1964246

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KUALA LUMPUR, April 6 — Putrajaya is reportedly set to move forward with imposing heavier punishments against Muslim lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community, despite objections from many including the Human Rights Commission of Malaysia (Suhakam).

Free Malaysia Today reported minister in charge of religious affairs Datuk Zulkifli Mohamad saying that this will be done by increasing the limits of punishments against Shariah offences in the Shariah Courts (Criminal Jurisdiction) Act 1965, also known as Act 355 or RUU355 in Malay.

“We cannot accept such practices. We just need to manage the issue with wisdom, inviting and educating them to return to the right path,” he was quoted saying, referring to the LGBT community.

He said the Perikatan Nasional (PN) administration will table the amendment in Parliament in the future, if it is approved by the Cabinet.

“If there are no obstructions and the situation allows for it, we will go to Parliament [to table it] soon,” he reportedly said.

Currently, Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyddin Yassin and the PN government still refuse to let the Parliament sit, despite the Yang di-Pertuan Agong’s call that it can still be done amid the Emergency.

Act 355 currently provides for a maximum of three year imprisonment, a fine of RM5,000, and six strokes of the cane for Shariah offences, but proponents of its amendment such as Zukifli’s deputy Datuk Ahmad Marzuk Shaary from Islamist party PAS argued they are “ineffective”.

Even as he confirmed his intention to increase punishment against LGBT Muslims, Zulkifli urged cosmetics entrepreneur Nur Sajat Kamaruzzaman to come forward after a warrant for her arrest was issued.

He then encouraged Sajat to hash out any issues with the department so that any issues could be resolved more peacefully, after she missed a Shariah Court hearing date in February this year concerning a case brought against her almost three years ago.

Nur Sajat’s absence from proceedings then triggered a search party by Jais, who had said it empowered 122 personnel and enforcement officers to find and arrest Nur Sajat.

The Shariah Court charge against Nur Sajat was made under Section 10(a) of the Shariah Crimes (State of Selangor) Enactment 1995 which provides for a sentence not exceeding RM5,000 or imprisonment not exceeding three years or both, if convicted.

Section 10 refers to the Shariah offence of insulting Islam or causing Islam to be insulted either by mocking or blaspheming the faith and its associated practices and rituals either in a written, pictorial or photographic form.

The charges were allegedly connected to a religious event that she organised in 2018 where she appeared in a baju kurung.

Nur Sajat had through an Instagram live broadcast recently denied she is evading capture from the authorities but was instead keeping a low profile on social media.

Nur Sajat has been the subject of intense scrutiny by authorities and some members of the public over her gender identity.

Most recently, she had posted on her social media that she is considering renouncing Islam, ostensibly due to the persecution and attacks she faces from religious authorities and the Muslim public.
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nefashu
post Apr 7 2021, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(James Moriarty @ Apr 7 2021, 07:44 AM)
that is true if the doctor is blind and mute, thus couldnt see to identify, and couldnt ask to determine
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so now its the doctor fault? why cant we think of a mechanism to avoid this
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(James Moriarty @ Apr 7 2021, 09:09 AM)
yes if the doctor never determine on the problem and proceed to apply a remedy

having our blood type on our mykad is easy..but never done. and yet we dont see hospitals start transfusing blood without determiining what's the blood type.

if a hospital or doctor do that, transfuse blood without determine blood type, got it wrong and killed the patient..is it the doctor's fault then? or the blame can be put into 'why blood type not being listed in mykad? why a mechanism was not applied to avoid this?'.
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Then tell me, how do doctor determine gender?
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(nefashu @ Apr 7 2021, 09:10 AM)
Then tell me, how do doctor determine gender?
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Just to be clear you just want both gender and sex in our identity cards right?




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post Apr 7 2021, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:12 AM)
Just to be clear you just want both gender and sex in our identity cards right?
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sex must be on the card. I dont care about gender
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:12 AM)
Just to be clear you just want both gender and sex in our identity cards right?
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Bro, I live with some friends who is pondan for many years. He is my housemate. He is a fine man at day. but during night, he will crossdress and always go lepak at Zouk. He is muslim mind you. He tell me that even does he lustful to men and has no feeling toward women, he still a man. If he died, he want to be buried as a man.

Sex cannot be change. Gender? well suite yourself.

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