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post Jan 14 2020, 10:15 PM, updated 6y ago

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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...nggal-festival/

GEORGE TOWN: Penang Deputy Chief Minister II P Ramasamy today slammed the education ministry for issuing a directive to all schools that Muslim students should not take part in Ponggal festivities, as they have been declared haram by the Department of Islamic Development Malaysia (Jakim).

The directive by the ministry, dated Jan 13, was sent to all state education directors after a shariah expert panel from Jakim called for the ban.

The panel stressed that participation in the rice and milk boiling – a key ceremony during Ponggal – was strictly out of bounds for Muslims.

Ramasamy, who is also the Penang Education Committee chairman, told FMT Ponggal is not a religious ceremony, but merely a Tamil harvest festival celebrated by all faiths.

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Jakim power over all other ministry....even more powerful then PM office and Finance Ministry.....Ponggal Haram as with Tang Lung...
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:16 PM

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Life is so tough.

Everything branded with halal or not.

Where is the right to freedom and capacity to choose
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:18 PM

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Cincai la

They mau celebrate then join la
X mau then other races join la


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post Jan 14 2020, 10:20 PM

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post Jan 14 2020, 10:26 PM

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Why this Rama is mad? You wanna celebrate, do it with Tamil student only. Why wanna drag Muslims student too? hmm.gif
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(catherintherye @ Jan 14 2020, 10:15 PM)
Jakim power over all other ministry....even more powerful then PM office and Finance Ministry.....Ponggal Haram as with Tang Lung...
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tanglung haram? source please.
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:31 PM

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My church also got ponggol

It's cultural not religious


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post Jan 14 2020, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 14 2020, 10:26 PM)
Why this Rama is mad? You wanna celebrate, do it with Tamil student only. Why wanna drag Muslims student too? hmm.gif
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Issue is with Jakim not students.

Suka-suka nak haram itu haram ini without any checking or verifications.

As in news already say, Ponggal is a cultural celebration not religious.

Don't tell me that students and teachers are free to ignore Jakim's warning.
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:34 PM

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Honestly as a non I really don't understand why jakim is relevant.

Why would you as an educated individual allow a bunch of unqualified people who know nothing about modern society, law, economics and science, rule over your life?

These people have no business setting rules and regulations for us.
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:35 PM

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Still simple? If JAKIM wrong, will malaysian muslims slam them for spreading hatred?
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:38 PM

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Who issue the directive? Make sure he gets the bad consequence for not doing his job properly.
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:38 PM

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I wonder if the Malays one day will felt too much oppress from JAKIM and start to anti-Jakim movement.

Because Jakim contribute nothing good, except issuing HALAL
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:39 PM

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I support jakim

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post Jan 14 2020, 10:42 PM

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jakim > who is he?
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:42 PM

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Ini haram?

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post Jan 14 2020, 10:43 PM

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Oh no..
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:45 PM

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Education ministry under Thanos lol
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QUOTE(The Sand Cat @ Jan 14 2020, 10:42 PM)
Ini haram?

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post Jan 14 2020, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(The Sand Cat @ Jan 14 2020, 10:42 PM)
Ini haram?

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post Jan 14 2020, 10:48 PM

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Why it should even be an issue....likeeee....
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On this day, the Tamil community will prepare the Ponggal (sweet rice) and offer thanksgiving prayers to Surya Bhagavan (the Sun God), the earth and the cow.

...... Tutup kes
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 14 2020, 10:48 PM)
On this day, the Tamil community will prepare the Ponggal (sweet rice) and offer thanksgiving prayers to Surya Bhagavan (the Sun God), the earth and the cow.

...... Tutup kes
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Okay I fully support 300% jakim decision..
Want tell my friend teacher about this.
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Not a Hindu festival?

Why wikipedia said otherwise?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pongal_(festival)
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post Jan 14 2020, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 14 2020, 10:48 PM)
On this day, the Tamil community will prepare the Ponggal (sweet rice) and offer thanksgiving prayers to Surya Bhagavan (the Sun God), the earth and the cow.

...... Tutup kes
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Yup. Why this Rama wanna force Muslims student to do this? doh.gif
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QUOTE(The Sand Cat @ Jan 14 2020, 10:42 PM)
Ini haram?

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just about to reply...but when see this photo..terus tak jadi.. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(The Sand Cat @ Jan 14 2020, 10:42 PM)
Ini haram?

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post Jan 14 2020, 10:57 PM

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Pundek sikit2 haram...
Macam la org Kasi sumbat Babi kedalam lubang mulut
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 14 2020, 10:48 PM)
On this day, the Tamil community will prepare the Ponggal (sweet rice) and offer thanksgiving prayers to Surya Bhagavan (the Sun God), the earth and the cow.

...... Tutup kes
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Enuff said....muslim cant join this festival
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QUOTE(notmyself @ Jan 14 2020, 10:57 PM)
Pundek sikit2 haram...
Macam la org Kasi sumbat Babi kedalam lubang mulut
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why do you care if JAKIM instruct all muslim to not join tamil festival?
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QUOTE(notmyself @ Jan 14 2020, 10:57 PM)
Pundek sikit2 haram...
Macam la org Kasi sumbat Babi kedalam lubang mulut
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You "BODO" kaa? You not know that Muslims CANNOT offer prayer to other god except to the only ONE? doh.gif
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QUOTE(notmyself @ Jan 14 2020, 10:57 PM)
Pundek sikit2 haram...
Macam la org Kasi sumbat Babi kedalam lubang mulut
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Because in Islam, there is only one God. That is Allah.
We don't simply celebrate thing that mean for other type of God.
Because for Muslim, there is only one God, and that is Allah.

We don't want Islam to be like having God, mother God, son of God, sibling God, friend God etc.

That is one of the reason why we really strict.

Even in Islam we said Shahada. Which is “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”

So yeah.

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post Jan 14 2020, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(Malefic Roar @ Jan 14 2020, 10:59 PM)
Enuff said....muslim cant join this festival
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Non-Malays can or not? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(raynman @ Jan 14 2020, 11:05 PM)
Non-Malays can or not?  hmm.gif
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Depend on your religious belief
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god's department.
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Biarlah these people wanna be little Napoleon here.
Just wait till they go overseas and get put in their place.
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post Jan 14 2020, 11:16 PM

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/k bila suruh belajar jawi 3 muka surat meroyan macam nak kena sunat masuk islam. Kalau bab mcm ni tau pulak komen cultural la bagai.

Memang hipokrit.
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aiya, they can do and suggest all they want..

we knew this is coming after the previous dude step down.

cant be bother with these dumb and dumber politicians.
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post Jan 14 2020, 11:18 PM

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ponggal? i thought cny is near
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 14 2020, 11:16 PM)
/k bila suruh belajar jawi 3 muka surat meroyan macam nak kena sunat masuk islam. Kalau bab mcm ni tau pulak komen cultural la bagai.

Memang hipokrit.
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This ph gov really a joke. Last time Bijan attended ponggal festival selamba jer.
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QUOTE(lilostitch @ Jan 14 2020, 11:19 PM)
tak hipokrit tak k laaa
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/k memang pundek cibai lahanat!!!
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post Jan 14 2020, 11:23 PM

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U guys don't notice the group ppl who make Malaysia unstable?
Should just disband them....
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post Jan 14 2020, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Jan 14 2020, 10:34 PM)
Honestly as a non I really don't understand why jakim is relevant.

Why would you as an educated individual allow a bunch of unqualified people who know nothing about modern society, law, economics and science, rule over your life?

These people have no business setting rules and regulations for us.
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Well said.
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QUOTE(The Sand Cat @ Jan 14 2020, 10:42 PM)
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Bijan is not a racist..unlike somebody that hold UMNO for 22 years. And another 12 years of making Abdullah and Bijan his puppet. However this didn't white wash Bijan own corruption scandal.

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Why want Muslim student to celebrate Hindu sun god. Putar like no tomorrow.

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This is a seriously stupid issue. Makes people think that being Muslims here are really restricting, full of inconveniences & held together by such a fragile faith. Religion is between you & God, that's it.
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QUOTE(FlyingVCLplayer @ Jan 14 2020, 11:02 PM)
Because in Islam, there is only one God. That is Allah.
We don't simply celebrate thing that mean for other type of God.
Because for Muslim, there is only one God, and that is Allah.

We don't want Islam to be like having God, mother God, son of God, sibling God, friend God etc.

That is one of the reason why we really strict.

Even in Islam we said Shah ada. Which is “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”

So yeah.
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Nanti Hindu Sangam kluar statement Penganut Hindu dilarang puasa semasa bulan Ramadan dan mengucapkan selamat hari raya kerana Islam tidak diiktiraf sebagai agama sah....sakit punggung plak mat2 terrorist ni.

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QUOTE(shodan11 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:31 PM)
This is a seriously stupid issue. Makes people think that being Muslims here are really restricting, full of inconveniences & held together by such a fragile faith. Religion is between you & God, that's it.
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then when you die, you yourself clean your corpse, cremate/bury your self la.
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QUOTE(jaz09 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:30 PM)
Why want Muslim student to celebrate Hindu sun god. Putar like no tomorrow.
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Muslim nk celebrate sukahati dorg la. Siapa JAKIM? The chosen rep from God?
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:32 PM)
Nanti Hindu Sangam kluar statement Penganut Hindu dilarang puasa semasa bulan Ramadan dan mengucapkan selamat hari raya kerana Islam tidak diiktiraf sebagai agama sah....sakit punggung plak mat2 terrorist ni.
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No one force to say.
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QUOTE(zerozero00 @ Jan 14 2020, 10:35 PM)
Still simple? If JAKIM wrong, will malaysian muslims slam them for spreading hatred?
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Many dare not....
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:32 PM)
Nanti Hindu Sangam kluar statement Penganut Hindu dilarang puasa semasa bulan Ramadan dan mengucapkan selamat hari raya kerana Islam tidak diiktiraf sebagai agama sah....sakit punggung plak mat2 terrorist ni.
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so what, if the hindu authority wanna issue anything to hindus go ahead, muslim dont care. not like some who butthurt because jakim instructed muslims to not celebrate the some's religious celebration.
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:33 PM)
Muslim nk celebrate sukahati dorg la. Siapa JAKIM? The chosen rep from God?
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So Muslim student want to celebrate Hindu sun god? Lol.
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QUOTE(ToddStarz @ Jan 14 2020, 11:34 PM)
so what, if the hindu authority wanna issue anything to hindus go ahead, muslim dont care. not like some who butthurt because jakim instructed muslims to not celebrate the some's religious celebration.
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Yeah....u say this. When really got statement, uol will buat rusuhan xrespect agama org kitooooo.
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:32 PM)
Nanti Hindu Sangam kluar statement Penganut Hindu dilarang puasa semasa bulan Ramadan dan mengucapkan selamat hari raya kerana Islam tidak diiktiraf sebagai agama sah....sakit punggung plak mat2 terrorist ni.
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Just go announce and see if Muslims cares. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:33 PM)
Muslim nk celebrate sukahati dorg la. Siapa JAKIM? The chosen rep from God?
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Jangan jadi bodo..muslim tak percaya dewa matahari
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QUOTE(jaz09 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:35 PM)
So Muslim student want to celebrate Hindu sun god? Lol.
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If betul ada, u have objection? Jgn nnt sbb nk pahala, go viral bende mengarut. First go improve urself and ur fellow countryman to compete against ur ASEAN peers la. Instead of R&R fear mongering.
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QUOTE(The Sand Cat @ Jan 14 2020, 10:42 PM)
Ini haram?

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Ini orang mana tau halal atau haram.. semua dia bedal je.. tengok apa jadi sekarang
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who the f is making an issue out of this?
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i start to like ph.
i believe jakim bajet increase to rm 1.4b next year.
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Jan 14 2020, 11:38 PM)
who the f is making an issue out of this?
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Rama and news reporter. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:36 PM)
Yeah....u say this. When really got statement, uol will buat rusuhan xrespect agama org kitooooo.
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idgaf about hindu instruction to hindu, dont simply slander me.

why would any sane hindu care if jakim instucted muslim to not join tamil praying to the sun god or whichever god is it?



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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jan 14 2020, 11:35 PM)
Meanwhile in Middle East the is so many sect and its own interpretation....
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Prophet Muhammad already warned us Muslim about this

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The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The Jews were divide into seventy-one or seventy-two sects, and the Christians were divide as well. My nation will divide into seventy three-sects.”


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Technicaly its religious as it involves worship of sun god.
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Harvest festival. Thanking the Sun God for agricultural abundance 4 days long.
Ponggal is thanking Sun God in Hinduism. How can they say it is cultural?

It's like saying Sembayang Raya is cultural.

Would Hindus be ok if muslims invite Hindu students to sembayang Raya at mosque.


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QUOTE(genecode @ Jan 14 2020, 11:44 PM)
Ponggal is  thanking Sun God in Hinduism. How can they say it is cultural?

It's like saying Sembayang Raya is cultural.

Would Hindus be ok if muslims invite Hindu students to sembayang Raya at mosque.
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because maybe that hindu dont even know about his religion as well as he thought
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 14 2020, 10:26 PM)
Why this Rama is mad? You wanna celebrate, do it with Tamil student only. Why wanna drag Muslims student too? hmm.gif
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like Jawi where they want to drag chinese school to learn jawi? these people stupid rite?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:46 PM)
like Jawi where they want to drag chinese school to learn jawi? these people stupid rite?
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because jawi is bahasa malaysia which if you do not know is the national language
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QUOTE(ToddStarz @ Jan 14 2020, 11:40 PM)
idgaf about hindu instruction to hindu, dont simply slander me.

why would any sane hindu care if jakim instucted muslim to not join tamil praying to the sun god or whichever god is it?
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Because religious authorities are infamous for inciting acts of violence and terror.
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Does tamil muslims, christians and irreligious people celebrate it or only tamil hindus celebrate it?

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jan 14 2020, 11:33 PM)
Many dare not....
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Dare not or just closet supporters who enjoy being bullies? Lol
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Ini orang mana tau halal atau haram.. semua dia bedal je.. tengok apa jadi sekarang
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:44 PM)
Since you brings this up, what you say about this then? biggrin.gif
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All the Abrahamic religions are steeped in violence. What 'God' would instruct his creation to sacrifice his son just to show devotion?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:46 PM)
like Jawi where they want to drag chinese school to learn jawi? these people stupid rite?
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Edit: Sorry i miss the tone of your question. You mean this 3 pages of jawi is religious? biggrin.gif

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All the Abrahamic religions are steeped in violence. What 'God' would instruct his creation to sacrifice his son just to show devotion?
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lolz, so fast u-turn ah? biggrin.gif
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ok la. nanti hari raya korban you all indian semua jemput datang ye. kita sembelih itu lembu sama2. no problem right? ritual saja kan? bukan suruh u sembah itu lembu pun. eh?. heuheuheu
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Edit: Sorry i miss the tone of your question. You mean this 3 pages of jawi is religious?  biggrin.gif

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don't simply put jawi here la, nanti ramai terconvert jd muslim. susah la.
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Prove?

1400 years ago. Islam? Yes. That 1400 years ago.
But the concept and teaching of there is no God except one which is Allah, its started from the first human form which is prophet Adam.

Continue by the like of prophet Abraham,  Noah, Jacob, David, Jesus etc

And Muhammad is the last prophet. Send by Allah to correct all the previous prophet teaching that already being mislead by people that want profit.
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All sounds very straightforward if Christians weren't killing Jews killing Muslims killing other Muslims.


Maybe He'll send another prophet to correct all the teaching that's misled by Jakim...
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jan 14 2020, 11:53 PM)
ok la. nanti hari raya korban you all indian semua jemput datang ye. kita sembelih itu lembu sama2. no problem right? ritual saja kan? bukan suruh u sembah itu lembu pun. eh?. heuheuheu
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Ya bole jugak...hehehe..
Kita sembelih babi sekali.. baru la haramoni!!!
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jan 14 2020, 11:53 PM)
ok la. nanti hari raya korban you all indian semua jemput datang ye. kita sembelih itu lembu sama2. no problem right? ritual saja kan? bukan suruh u sembah itu lembu pun. eh?. heuheuheu
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Bad shape bro. You're celebrating slaughtering an animal, whereas we're boiling some milk.

Bikin malu je...
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All sounds very straightforward if Christians weren't killing Jews killing Muslims killing other Muslims.
Maybe He'll send another prophet to correct all the teaching that's misled by Jakim...
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Why are you so obsessed with killing? You wanna be a terrorist? You brings up this killing things multiple times already. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jan 14 2020, 11:53 PM)
ok la. nanti hari raya korban you all indian semua jemput datang ye. kita sembelih itu lembu sama2. no problem right? ritual saja kan? bukan suruh u sembah itu lembu pun. eh?. heuheuheu
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... this has been happening since the beginning of 1940's and at that time no issue with the indians, dulu, kini & selama nya.
They are strong in their Iman, Ibadat & Ilmu unlike some others.
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Bad shape bro. You're celebrating slaughtering an animal, whereas we're boiling some milk.

Bikin malu je...
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apa yg bad shapenya bebal. pointnya sama je. melibatkan akidah. aku xtau korg hindu punya konsep akidah mcm mana. dah kalau dalam ponggal tu ada unsur was2, mmg jd tugas jakim untuk nilai dan tetapkan apa hukumnya, terpakai utk muslim saja. tapi korg yg non pulak menyalak lebih.
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jan 15 2020, 12:02 AM)
... this has been happening since the beginning of 1940's and at that time no issue with the indians, dulu, kini & selama nya.
They are strong in their Iman, Ibadat & Ilmu unlike some others.
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Like a virus... This haram that haram...
Next haram from stepping out of the house
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jan 14 2020, 11:53 PM)
ok la. nanti hari raya korban you all indian semua jemput datang ye. kita sembelih itu lembu sama2. no problem right? ritual saja kan? bukan suruh u sembah itu lembu pun. eh?. heuheuheu
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Actually... come to think about this, indians have no problem going to McD which serves beef.

Malays can go sit down and chit chat with their Non friends in Bak Kut Teh shop?

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QUOTE(djtong @ Jan 14 2020, 11:51 PM)
All the Abrahamic religions are steeped in violence. What 'God' would instruct his creation to sacrifice his son just to show devotion?
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QUOTE(djtong @ Jan 14 2020, 11:59 PM)
Bad shape bro. You're celebrating slaughtering an animal, whereas we're boiling some milk.

Bikin malu je...
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Do you even know the full story of Abraham? Lol.

Also do learn the reason and requirements/procedures for qurban. Its not simply slaughtering an animal.

From all your replies its all shitty insinuations, yet I haven't seen anyone try to point out or teach others about Hinduism in this thread yet.

Clearly you're heavily biased and unable to come back with proper critical replies.
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 12:00 AM)
Why are you so obsessed with killing? You wanna be a terrorist? You brings up this killing things multiple times already. biggrin.gif
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You call the newspaper la ask them the same question la. Why always report of perpetual war in the middle east. Ask them if it's because they enjoy it.

I bring it up because this is what usually happens when religious zealots are given too much authority. I bring it up because it's already happened in our country. I bring it up because I'm afraid it will happen again. With the way things are going, we can all guess who will be doing the killing, and no, it's not me.

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... this has been happening since the beginning of 1940's and at that time no issue with the indians, dulu, kini & selama nya.
They are strong in their Iman, Ibadat & Ilmu unlike some others.
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Then now come in India got lynch mob killed people suspected of eating beef. Dah mati baru investigate sekali daging kambing. People dead already

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Why would Muslim celebrate Ponggal anyway

And why tf this guy so butthurt?
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Actually... come to think about this, indians have no problem going to McD which serves beef.

Malays can go sit down and chit chat with their Non friends in Bak Kut Teh shop?
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No problem. As long as the food that the Muslim guy eat is halal

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QUOTE(djtong @ Jan 14 2020, 11:48 PM)
Because religious authorities are infamous for inciting acts of violence and terror.
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what is the violence and terror of not letting muslims celebrate the festival of praying to the sun god?
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Is a brand new year, Jakim really got nothing better to do but to create commotions to get your attention to post a reply here. Wishing u a holy brand new year from Jakim with more coming R n R.

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QUOTE(djtong @ Jan 15 2020, 12:13 AM)
You call the newspaper la ask them the same question la. Why always report of perpetual war in the middle east. Ask them if it's because they enjoy it.

I bring it up because this is what usually happens when religious zealots are given too much authority. I bring it up because it's already happened in our country. I bring it up because I'm afraid it will happen again. With the way things are going, we can all guess who will be doing the killing, and no, it's not me.
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You mean like Adib right? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Hinoarashi9 @ Jan 15 2020, 12:14 AM)
Why would Muslim celebrate Ponggal anyway

And why tf this guy so butthurt?
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So how come Jakim need to release statement saying it's haram?
They scared people mudah confuse or they simply wanna buat hal?
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QUOTE(FlyingVCLplayer @ Jan 15 2020, 12:14 AM)
No problem. As long as the food Muslim eat is halal
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QUOTE(FlyingVCLplayer @ Jan 15 2020, 12:14 AM)
No problem. As long as the food Muslim eat is halal
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Then why some muslims always make noise about Tesco selling beer? Is your religion that confusing to understand? Or Tesco pointing a gun to their head to drink beer?
Did other muslims come out in full force and condemn them for being wrong?

Then why JAIS raids nightclubs for malays? Maybe they drink Coke like Najib’s son while chit chat with their friends?

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QUOTE(ToddStarz @ Jan 15 2020, 12:14 AM)
what is the violence and terror of not letting muslims celebrate the festival of praying to the sun god?
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It's not exactly encouraging harmony and understanding, is it?
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Tapi boleh plak gosok bird, have horny thoughts and gossip. Ain’t that dirty as well?
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It's not exactly encouraging harmony and understanding, is it?
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what harmony and understanding? you want people of other religion to join you in the festival which pray to your god? why?
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So how come Jakim need to release statement saying it's haram?
They scared people mudah confuse or they simply wanna buat hal?
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because it not wrong to remind others
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what harmony and understanding? you want people of other religion to join you in the festival which pray to your god? why?
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I want them to practise common sense.
If joining a celebration is going to make you forget your God and leave your religion, it just means you're not a true Muslim.

Do they really need to remind you of this? Are they so afraid of people accidentally angering God (who knows and sees all)? Or is it because they have nothing better to do and it's their job to come up with nonsense otherwise they'd have no job?

Listen to God, don't listen to Jakim.
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 14 2020, 11:51 PM)
Edit: Sorry i miss the tone of your question. You mean this 3 pages of jawi is religious?  biggrin.gif

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The tone of my question is idiot force other to do something other don't want to do.
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Ajar jawi sebagai Pengenalan jawi di matawang Dan jata negara - hur dur memaksa/Tak rela/ oppress / minoriti ditindas

Jakim cakap Haram Rai ponggal bagi murid beragama Islam - but dur memaksa/jakim bodoh Tak guna/ hak bebas meraikan

Apa lanjiao?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 15 2020, 12:38 AM)
The tone of my question is idiot force other to do something other don't want to do.
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that's what authority is all about la pandai.

and why the fuck are some of you /k idiots in support of ramasamy? he's the idiot with zero qualification that is heavily lobbying for that edu minister post.
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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Jan 15 2020, 12:42 AM)
that's what authority is all about la pandai.

and why the fuck are some of you /k idiots in support of ramasamy? he's the idiot with zero qualification that is heavily lobbying for that edu minister post.
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QUOTE(djtong @ Jan 15 2020, 12:36 AM)
I want them to practise common sense.
If joining a celebration is going to make you forget your God and leave your religion, it just means you're not a true Muslim.

Do they really need to remind you of this? Are they so afraid of people accidentally angering God (who knows and sees all)? Or is it because they have nothing better to do and it's their job to come up with nonsense otherwise they'd have no job?

Listen to God, don't listen to Jakim.
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muslim cannot join celebrtion that pray to other god. how is this not getting through to you. doesnt matter if jakim tell muslim or not.
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QUOTE(djtong @ Jan 15 2020, 12:36 AM)
I want them to practise common sense.
If joining a celebration is going to make you forget your God and leave your religion, it just means you're not a true Muslim.

Do they really need to remind you of this? Are they so afraid of people accidentally angering God (who knows and sees all)? Or is it because they have nothing better to do and it's their job to come up with nonsense otherwise they'd have no job?

Listen to God, don't listen to Jakim.
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Bodoh kau ni memang tak boleh nak simpan untuk anak cucu eh? Memang nak guna habis dalam thread ni? Power bro.

Salah ke jakim nak remind especially budak² sekolah yang Tak tahu apa² dan mudah terleka? Salah ke?

Dalam Islam ada konsep saling menegur dan nasihat menasihati (dengan berhikmah/baik). Tindakan jakim tu betul dah. Haram menyambut perayaan orang lain. Hukum dalam Islam senang nak identify. Haram, halal, was², harus, makruh.

Come on sense la bro. Nak troll boleh, tapi sikit² sudahlah, jangan sampai tunjuk bodoh tu macam unlimited quota pulak boleh curah dekat thread ni macam susu coklat mencurah curah ke ladang gandum. Simpan sikit untuk anak cucu ye.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 15 2020, 12:51 AM)
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QUOTE(djtong @ Jan 15 2020, 12:36 AM)
I want them to practise common sense.
If joining a celebration is going to make you forget your God and leave your religion, it just means you're not a true Muslim.

Do they really need to remind you of this? Are they so afraid of people accidentally angering God (who knows and sees all)? Or is it because they have nothing better to do and it's their job to come up with nonsense otherwise they'd have no job?

Listen to God, don't listen to Jakim.
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It is against Muslim teaching to follow other religion teaching, most scholars interprete including celebrating celebration
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QUOTE(80ers @ Jan 15 2020, 01:06 AM)
It is against Muslim teaching to follow other religion teaching, most scholars interprete including celebrating celebration
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IMO, I think it's better for school to be a purely academic place, rather than embedding cultural stuff in it. On the other hand, embedding religion stuff in a school spells doom.
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QUOTE(djtong @ Jan 15 2020, 12:16 AM)
So how come Jakim need to release statement saying it's haram?
They scared people mudah confuse or they simply wanna buat hal?
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muslims already know it's haram to celebrate/take part in others' religious festivals/activities
jakim's statement is just a reminder

again, why the guy in the news so butthurt?
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QUOTE(ClericKilla @ Jan 14 2020, 10:16 PM)
Life is so tough.

Everything branded with halal or not.

Where is the right to freedom and capacity to choose
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Life is short.

Everything branded with halal or haram.

Just don't eat, touch or celebrate.

Let the other race enjoy. We have no problem, i have no problem nor my friend have.

So just be it. Stay in your tempurung katak.

It is useless to educates this sick people.
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This is why we need to kuatkan vernacular schools.

BTW.... the chaps who said that abolishing vernacular schools would promote unity since all our children will be able to mix together.... this is your answer.

Makin lama, makin pandang rendah terhadap sistem sekolah kebangsaan.

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The more pertinent question is...what is not deemed haram by Jakim lol?

This garbage department is causing more rift than good...
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Bodoh RAMA...
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I have a feeling God will facepalm these people when or if He meets them in afterlife. Even if it is a religious act, so what? Do these people believe that other gods exists?

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jan 14 2020, 11:53 PM)
ok la. nanti hari raya korban you all indian semua jemput datang ye. kita sembelih itu lembu sama2. no problem right? ritual saja kan? bukan suruh u sembah itu lembu pun. eh?. heuheuheu
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Ini ini....... Foaming at the mouth
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U guys don't notice the group ppl who make Malaysia unstable?
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It was created by macais' idol - Mahathir, many many years ago, probably some macais not even born yet.
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QUOTE(PATAR @ Jan 14 2020, 11:50 PM)
Does tamil muslims, christians and irreligious people celebrate it or only tamil hindus celebrate it?
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Within my Roman Catholic Church also got celebrate Ponggal festival by the Indian community as a cultural event, I tak nampak myself atau orang lain praying to sun god etc, except to our Lord Jesus Christ for a bountiful harvest.
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I have a feeling God will facepalm these people when or if He meets them in afterlife. Even if it is a religious act, so what? Do these people believe that other gods exists?
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Of course other gods do exists, for it is written in the Holy Scriptures, that they are gods themselves for they teach their own teachings instead of God's teaching.
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QUOTE(saikia2046 @ Jan 15 2020, 04:51 AM)
It was created by macais' idol - Mahathir, many many years ago, probably some macais not even born yet.
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Jan 14 2020, 10:34 PM)
Honestly as a non I really don't understand why jakim is relevant.

Why would you as an educated individual allow a bunch of unqualified people who know nothing about modern society, law, economics and science, rule over your life?

These people have no business setting rules and regulations for us.
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yup, that’s the thing. it is meant to be an Islamic federal agency that guides Muslims whom may lack the knowledge/judgement or in your word uneducated pertaining to Islamic affairs.
Alas, the caveat is as per mentioned is the unqualified individuals who may lack the sensitivity on delivering it especially in our multicultural, multi religious country

From the agency perspective, it is their duty to remind all the muslims regarding it but may not consider the possibility of it being misused or misinterpreted whereby the initial intentions are good, after-effects not so much

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 14 2020, 10:26 PM)
Why this Rama is mad? You wanna celebrate, do it with Tamil student only. Why wanna drag Muslims student too? hmm.gif
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Already stated in Mufti Wilayah Persekutuan on 29 January 2019

Further more 1 year

https://muftiwp.gov.my/ms/artikel/al-afkar/...ai-pesta-pongal

its haram la smile.gif if you want to meraikan or menyambut but if u just sekadar join and see the ponggal it is not la smile.gif


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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 14 2020, 11:16 PM)
/k bila suruh belajar jawi 3 muka surat meroyan macam nak kena sunat masuk islam. Kalau bab mcm ni tau pulak komen cultural la bagai.

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QUOTE(Malaysian99 @ Jan 15 2020, 06:06 AM)
Like jawi why drag nons? Don't say heritage
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Don't be "BODO". These 3 pages of JAWI is NOT RELIGIOUS, while the pongal festival is. Why this rama wanna force his RELIGIOUS festival to MUSLIMS STUDENT? Intentionally trying to stir up RELIGIOUS CONFLICT? doh.gif

EDIT: the 3 pages of JAWI:


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Pongal is a four-days-long harvest festival celebrated in Tamil Nadu, a southern state of India. For as long as people have been planting and gathering food, there has been some form of harvest festival. Pongal, one of the most important popular Hindu festivals of the year.

.... Pongal is a harvest festival, a traditional occasion for giving thanks to nature, for celebrating the life cycles that give us grain.



TS Bodo
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 14 2020, 11:16 PM)
/k bila suruh belajar jawi 3 muka surat meroyan macam nak kena sunat masuk islam. Kalau bab mcm ni tau pulak komen cultural la bagai.

Memang hipokrit.
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Hahaha
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Jan 14 2020, 10:34 PM)
Honestly as a non I really don't understand why jakim is relevant.

Why would you as an educated individual allow a bunch of unqualified people who know nothing about modern society, law, economics and science, rule over your life?

These people have no business setting rules and regulations for us.
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Kalu dah nama pon non takkan paham punya. Tau nk hentam.
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QUOTE(catherintherye @ Jan 14 2020, 10:15 PM)
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...nggal-festival/

GEORGE TOWN: Penang Deputy Chief Minister II P Ramasamy today slammed the education ministry for issuing a directive to all schools that Muslim students should not take part in Ponggal festivities, as they have been declared haram by the Department of Islamic Development Malaysia (Jakim).

The directive by the ministry, dated Jan 13, was sent to all state education directors after a shariah expert panel from Jakim called for the ban.

The panel stressed that participation in the rice and milk boiling – a key ceremony during Ponggal – was strictly out of bounds for Muslims.

Ramasamy, who is also the Penang Education Committee chairman, told FMT Ponggal is not a religious ceremony, but merely a Tamil harvest festival celebrated by all faiths.

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Jakim power over all other ministry....even more powerful then PM office and Finance Ministry.....Ponggal Haram as with Tang Lung...
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 07:05 AM)
Don't be "BODO". These 3 pages of JAWI is NOT RELIGIOUS, while the pongal festival is. Why this rama wanna force his RELIGIOUS festival to MUSLIMS STUDENT? Intentionally trying to stir up RELIGIOUS CONFLICT? doh.gif

EDIT: the 3 pages of JAWI:
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Don't call ppl bodo when ppl don't want, jawi was included in pendidikan agama in sek keb, 3 pages now later 30, 300

If u don't want ppl kacau u , then also don't kacau ppl
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Very soon Hari gawai will also be deemed haram by jakim
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QUOTE(Malaysian99 @ Jan 15 2020, 07:23 AM)
Don't call ppl bodo when ppl don't want, jawi was included in pendidikan agama in sek keb,  3 pages now later 30, 300

If u don't want ppl kacau u , then also don't kacau ppl
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How you know later 30 pages, 300 pages?

You get that fact from your bontot sakit ka?

Lai gimme your ringgit notes, since you dont like jawi so much.
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QUOTE(Malaysian99 @ Jan 15 2020, 07:23 AM)
Don't call ppl bodo when ppl don't want, jawi was included in pendidikan agama in sek keb,  3 pages now later 30, 300

If u don't want ppl kacau u , then also don't kacau ppl
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See? This is what the Malay calls "BODO SOMBONG". You LIVE IN MALAYSIA, then you need to learn about these. Later foreigner asking you what is the meaning of the word, you cannot answer. Don't tell me that you too "BODO" to learn these easy 3 pages of JAWI? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 14 2020, 10:26 PM)
Why this Rama is mad? You wanna celebrate, do it with Tamil student only. Why wanna drag Muslims student too? hmm.gif
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are u stupid fark.
if u don't have event than how can you start to learn cross culture.
in university from uSA also got learning other culture.

bodo mcm otak babi.
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QUOTE(Malaysian99 @ Jan 15 2020, 07:23 AM)
Don't call ppl bodo when ppl don't want, jawi was included in pendidikan agama in sek keb,  3 pages now later 30, 300

If u don't want ppl kacau u , then also don't kacau ppl
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jawi tu caligraphy bodo.
Ponggol is cultural event.

konfuse malaysian.
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conlanfirm sarahan bijan...

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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 07:32 AM)
are u stupid fark.
if u don't have event than how can you start to learn cross culture.
in university from uSA also got learning other culture.

bodo mcm otak babi.
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Wei "BODO". Pongal is a RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL. Get that sink in to you thick stupid skull. Why you wanna force nons RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL onto MUSLIMS, i repeat MUSLIMS STUDENT? If it not RELIGIOUS, then I'm sure JAKIM or even this guy will be OK with it. doh.gif

QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 14 2020, 08:00 PM)
Inb4 PAS say "HAROMMMM!!!!" biggrin.gif

Warning! "HARAM" pic inside. biggrin.gif
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Ponggal is a cultural festival la idiots..

Just because some Wikipedia article says that it’s an offering to the sun god, that doesn’t change the fact.. even a half baked person can go and edit the Wikipedia page with his own interpretation of Ponggal - so for those quoting it as a source, go and die
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Cannot hang Ketupat at school......as celebrating Hari Raya will make Indian students become Muslim.....next Education Ministry directive...to ban Hari Raya celebration at school
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Why the non like to force muslim to celebrate?
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 07:32 AM)
are u stupid fark.
if u don't have event than how can you start to learn cross culture.
in university from uSA also got learning other culture.

bodo mcm otak babi.
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But nons duwan learn jawi, how? It is also non religious, its just a script wat? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 07:34 AM)
jawi tu caligraphy bodo.
Ponggol is cultural event.

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Jawi is alphabet. Caligraphy or khat is an art using alphabets.
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QUOTE(bugijun @ Jan 15 2020, 07:52 AM)
Why the non like to force muslim to celebrate?
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Keep saying these haram and that haram, and yet those people still blaming why other races don't mix together with each others, that's so hypocritical right

Actually the thing is, nobody is forcing them to join those events. Why those people so butthurt about this ?

Unity is like a joke here, isn't it ?

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 07:44 AM)
Wei "BODO". Pongal is a RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL. Get that sink in to you thick stupid skull. Why you wanna force nons RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL onto MUSLIMS, i repeat MUSLIMS STUDENT? If it not RELIGIOUS, then I'm sure JAKIM or even this guy will be OK with it. doh.gif
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 07:58 AM)
bodo, read wiki for answer.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/pongal-...3924-2016-01-15

so dis website is bullshit as well? laugh.gif
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Jawi is being forced upon and no one is forcing u to celebrate ponggal with the Tamils - learn the difference..

U need to compare an apple with an apple - don’t simply bark without a valid argument
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QUOTE(rebecca_choo @ Jan 15 2020, 07:59 AM)
Jawi is being forced upon and no one is forcing u to celebrate ponggal with the Tamils - learn the difference..

U need to compare an apple with an apple - don’t simply bark without a valid argument
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so? haram only for muslim student wat. the rest still can celebrate freely.

n forced to do vs forced not to do. not apples to apples? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 07:58 AM)
this is in india, malaysia different. wink.gif
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 07:58 AM)
bodo, read wiki for answer.
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Yup, you the "BODO" one. How is this NOT RELIGIOUS? biggrin.gif

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To mark the festival, the pongal sweet dish is prepared, first offered to the gods and goddesses (goddess Pongal), followed sometimes with an offering to cows, and then shared by the family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pongal_(festival)

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Establishment of jakim simply a waste of money.
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 08:02 AM)
Yup, you the "BODO" one. How is this NOT RELIGIOUS?  biggrin.gif
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u bodo bcos u in kopitiam la bodo.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 07:54 AM)
Perpaduan kononnya.
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Imagine persatuan kuil-kuil issued the same thing like Jakim on muslim holidays.

Is it so hard to be logical and sane? Ataupun dengan menunggang agama, asas kemanusiaan pun boleh diketepikan?
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QUOTE(rebecca_choo @ Jan 15 2020, 07:59 AM)
Jawi is being forced upon and no one is forcing u to celebrate ponggal with the Tamils - learn the difference..

U need to compare an apple with an apple - don’t simply bark without a valid argument
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You "BODO" kaa? JAWI is NOT RELIGIOUS while pongal is. How is that an apple to apple comparison? doh.gif
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QUOTE(prince12 @ Jan 15 2020, 07:54 AM)
Keep saying these haram and that haram, and yet those people still blaming why other races don't mix together with each others, that's so hypocritical right

Actually the thing is, nobody is forcing them to join those events. Why those people so butthurt about this ?

Unity is like a joke here, isn't it ?
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Read the opening post la. The one who's butthurt is that rama-rama because the MoE instruction is to advice muslim children not to join the celebration, not saying the celebration cant be held. The one who's forcing is actually rama-rama by saying it should be celebrated because it's cultural, not religious.

Ada faham ka anneh?
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 08:04 AM)
Imagine persatuan kuil-kuil issued the same thing like Jakim on muslim holidays.

Is it so hard to be logical and sane? Ataupun dengan menunggang agama, asas kemanusiaan pun boleh diketepikan?
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No need to imagine. Cant issue whatever they want. For you your religion, for me my religion.

Itu pun susah nak faham?
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 08:06 AM)
Read the opening post la. The one who's butthurt is that rama-rama because the MoE instruction is to advice muslim children not to join the celebration, not saying the celebration cant be held. The one who's forcing is actually rama-rama by saying it should be celebrated because it's cultural, not religious.

Ada faham ka anneh?
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Can advice non not to join jawi lesson? HAHAHAHAHA.
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 08:03 AM)
u bodo bcos u in kopitiam la bodo.
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Huh? What a retard. Whats that got to do with Pongal being a RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL? You become "BODO" until what you say cannot makes any sense anymore? Fact is Pongal festival IS RELIGIOUS. There is no way around it.
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To mark the festival, the pongal sweet dish is prepared, first offered to the gods and goddesses (goddess Pongal), followed sometimes with an offering to cows, and then shared by the family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pongal_(festival)

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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 08:08 AM)
Can advice non  not to join jawi lesson? HAHAHAHAHA.
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If learn jawi to baca Quran then no. If learn jawi to learn what's written on the stamp or on the bank notes or on jata negara then I truly believe that's something that should be tought to every Malaysian citizens.

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Jan 15 2020, 08:11 AM
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The Country is a lost cause.
Get out while you still can
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"Get out" is what org kito wanted. biggrin.gif

Just continue to fight. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 08:02 AM)
this is in india, malaysia different.  wink.gif
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lolwut. so ancestors of indians in malaysia is not from india? hinduism in malaysia is not the same religion as hinduism in india?

so where does the indians and hinduism in malaysia came from? mars? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 08:07 AM)
No need to imagine. Cant issue whatever they want. For you your religion, for me my religion.

Itu pun susah nak faham?
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I do not see nons having these issues at all. Yang tak faham ialah kamu.

Why stir up issues? Don't celebrate means what? To children, they will take it as maybe ucap pun tak boleh. So even more racism and segregation in future. And the country depends on the young ones to take over. Children convert after joint celebrating Ponggal? I would say my foot and loads of bull crap.

We used to have kongsi raya many years back. Eid is a muslim festival, Chinese has no issues to kongsi the raya together.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 08:11 AM)
If learn jawi to baca Quran then no. If learn jawi to learn what's written on the stamp or on the bank notes or on jata negara then I truly believe that's something that should be tought to every Malaysian citizens.
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If join to convert, no. If join in ponggol festival, learn rice and milk boiling, to understand and appreciate different culture and religion, then I truly believe that's something that should be tought to every Malaysian citizens.

LOLOLOLOL.
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 08:18 AM)
If join to convert, no. If join in ponggol festival, learn rice and milk boiling, to understand and appreciate different culture and religion, then I truly believe that's something that should be tought to every Malaysian citizens.

LOLOLOLOL.
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These people cannot different from black and white at all.

Basic human logic just gone from years of brainwashing. It is sad indeed.

They arguing the 3 page Jawi and do they know it is only toned down to 3 page after the nons made noise?


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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 08:16 AM)
I do not see nons having these issues at all. Yang tak faham ialah kamu.

Why stir up issues? Don't celebrate means what? To children, they will take it as maybe ucap pun tak boleh. So even more racism and segregation in future. And the country depends on the young ones to take over. Children convert after joint celebrating Ponggal? I would say my foot and loads of bull crap.

We used to have kongsi raya many years back. Eid is a muslim festival, Chinese has no issues to kongsi the raya together.
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Participate is not the same as celebrate. What's so hard to understand?

This is from majlis agama islam p pinang.

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Kategori: Sosial/Syariah
Tahun: 2017
Status Pewartaan: Tidak Diwartakan
Negeri: Pulau Pinang
Keputusan:
Mesyuarat Jawatankuasa Fatwa Negeri Pulau Pinang Bil. 2/2017 pada 18-19 April 2017 telah membincangkan mengenai Pesta Pongal dan Tanglung. Mesyuarat memutuskan bahawa:

1) Orang Islam dilarang daripada menyertai atau menganjurkan perayaan Pongal dan Tanglung kerana ia mempunyai unsur-unsur khurafat, pemujaan dan penyembahan sepertimana yang diharamkan oleh agama Islam.

2) Tiada larangan untuk orang Islam untuk memasak makanan pongal ‘Sakarai' atau membuat tanglung pada mana-mana waktu selain daripada hari perayaan Pongal mahupun Tanglung.
Thebone who's stirring up the issue is rama-rama and you.
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 08:18 AM)
If join to convert, no. If join in ponggol festival, learn rice and milk boiling, to understand and appreciate different culture and religion, then I truly believe that's something that should be tought to every Malaysian citizens.

LOLOLOLOL.
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Nope! Still CANNOT.

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To mark the festival, the pongal sweet dish is prepared, first offered to the gods and goddesses (goddess Pongal), followed sometimes with an offering to cows, and then shared by the family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pongal_(festival)

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So does that mean from now on cannot join in raya celebration, buka puasa, eat kuih, visit muslim open house........ Without first getting convert HAHAHAHAHA
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 08:18 AM)
If join to convert, no. If join in ponggol festival, learn rice and milk boiling, to understand and appreciate different culture and religion, then I truly believe that's something that should be tought to every Malaysian citizens.

LOLOLOLOL.
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Can read and learn and observe. No issue. The directive is to not participate.


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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 08:23 AM)
So does that mean from now on cannot join in raya celebration, buka puasa, eat kuih, visit muslim open house........ Without first getting convert HAHAHAHAHA
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You can keep being stuoid and ignorant. Your choice.
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 08:22 AM)
Nope! Still CANNOT.
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Unless the food is made is not for offering the sure can. The same reason why "Daging Korban" CANNOT be distributed to the nons.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 15 2020, 05:14 AM)
Of course other gods do exists, for it is written in the Holy Scriptures, that they are gods themselves for they teach their own teachings instead of God's teaching.
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Or how regretful they are create these kind of resistant
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Cause there no god
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 08:22 AM)
Nope! Still CANNOT.
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OK....... U konfirm same level as that idiot putra guy who ban cny in school. What a joke.

Btw, pls ask to ban non celebrating raya also.

Also since when non learn jawi cannot read q? In that case can tell jakim and pas to stop quoting q word on media cause feels like they want to convert non.

HAHAHA HAHA!!!

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U too. Dah la. Simpan sikit bidoh tu untuk anak cucu.

U guys like really shooting urself on the foot.

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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 08:27 AM)
OK....... U konfirm same level as that idiot putra guy who ban cny in school. What a joke.

BTW, pls ask to ban non celebrating raya also.

Also since when non learn jawi cannot read q? In that case can tell jakim and pas to stop quoting q word on media cause feels like they want to convert non.

HAHAHA HAHA!!!
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You "BODO" kaa? Who says the tamils cannot celebrate it? You wanna celebrate it, go ahead. But don't get mad if the MUSLIMS STUDENT is prohibited from celebrating it. doh.gif

also what is read "q"? What is that got to do with JAWI?
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You "BODO" kaa? JAWI is NOT RELIGIOUS while pongal is. How is that an apple to apple comparison? doh.gif
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You are the bodoh one who are thinking that Ponggal is a religious celebration. Bruh, go and live in a cave
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Either p ramasamy dunno his own religion, or this website is bulshitting laugh.gif
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Pongal by itself is celebrated mostly in Tamil Nadu only, not whole India. And its celebrated in the context of a farming society, which is hugely lacking among Malaysian Hindus.

So its a basically giving thanks to the gods who facilitate a bountiful crop harvest, like suficient amount of rain & shine & a fertile earth.

P. Ramasamy shud b concerned abt that aspect of d celebration & if can guide the people to properly observe it, & not being concerned with non-Hindus NOT celebrating it.

As of now this Pongal festival is being celebrated for any mundane reasons but its actual context.
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Case closed. Hope TS and Mod can close this topic. Whatever happen, we won't celebrate any other religious things that specifically done for other type of GOD. Its HARAM

We are even willing to die, as long as we are stick to one belief "There is no God except Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"

Simple things.

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 08:34 AM)
You "BODO" kaa? Who says the tamils cannot celebrate it? You wanna celebrate it, go ahead. But don't get mad if the MUSLIMS STUDENT is prohibited from celebrating it. doh.gif

also what is read "q"? What is that got to do with JAWI?
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You "BODO" kaa? I said "ban non celebrating raya also." Wait,..... Since when raya is tamil celebration?

Cannot use full q word. Sensitif. Already someone here don't want non to learn or tok about the forbidden word.

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Case closed. Hope TS and Mod can close topic. Whatever happen, we won't celebrate any other religious that specifically done to other type of GOD. Its HARAM

We are even willing to die, as long as we are stick to one belief "There is no God except Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"
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QUOTE(FlyingVCLplayer @ Jan 15 2020, 08:41 AM)
Case closed. Hope TS and Mod can close topic. Whatever happen, we won't celebrate any other religious that specifically done to other type of GOD. Its HARAM

We are even willing to die, as long as we are stick to one belief "There is no God except Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"
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Ummm mm wow. That escalate quickly.
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You are the bodoh one who are thinking that Ponggal is a religious celebration. Bruh, go and live in a cave
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You saying this is not religious? You sure are the "BODO" one. biggrin.gif
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To mark the festival, the pongal sweet dish is prepared, first offered to the gods and goddesses (goddess Pongal), followed sometimes with an offering to cows, and then shared by the family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pongal_(festival)

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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 08:43 AM)
You "BODO" kaa? I said "ban non celebrating raya also." Wait,..... Since when raya is tamil celebration?

Cannot use full q word. Sensitif. Already someone here don't want non to learn or tok about the forbidden word.
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Huh? Wtf are you talking about? My point is if tamil people wanna celebrate it, then sure. Go ahead. Nobody stooping you. But for Muslims, they CANNOT because the festival is religious in nature.

Also i need to know what is "q" is because i wanna exactly what you are trying to say. Later you taichi and spin somemore.
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Actually I was wondering too why Malaysian Hindus want to celebrate a harvest festival that is localized to India for the purpose of thanksgiving for their bountiful harvest unless Malaysian Indians are involved with cultivating crops and are harvesting too. Just doesn't make sense. I have even seen this done in Catholic churches in Klang and Brickfields where the Tamil speaking congregations boil a pot of milk to celebrate Ponggal.

It makes sense for the Indian farmers to celebrate it in India but I dont see the relevance or the connection for it to be held here. I could be wrong though. This is just based on my own understanding.
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 08:52 AM)
Huh? Wtf are you talking about? My point is if tamil people wanna celebrate it, then sure. Go ahead. Nobody stooping you. But for Muslims, they CANNOT because the festival is religious in nature.

Also i need to know what is "q" is because i wanna exactly what you are trying to say. Later you taichi and spin somemore.
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 08:27 AM)
OK....... U konfirm same level as that idiot putra guy who ban cny in school. What a joke.

Btw, pls ask to ban non celebrating raya also.

Also since when non learn jawi cannot read q? In that case can tell jakim and pas to stop quoting q word on media cause feels like they want to convert non.

HAHAHA HAHA!!!
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nope. u still cant read it. jawi and arabic script got substantial difference.

and even if u can read it, itll be gibberish anyway. since, u know.. quran is in arabic. do u understand arabic? laugh.gif
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Huh? What a retard. Whats that got to do with Pongal being a RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL? You become "BODO" until what you say cannot makes any sense anymore? Fact is Pongal festival IS RELIGIOUS. There is no way around it.
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So if it's religion u don't step into non religion house la bodo.
when comes deepavali, makan u mau. bodo
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Read what? Be specific.
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So
Muslim also cannot cuti on cny or any other religion punya perayaan?


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nope. u still cant read it. jawi and arabic script got substantial difference.

and even if u can read it, itll be gibberish anyway. since, u know.. quran is in arabic. do u understand arabic? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 08:11 AM)
If learn jawi to baca Quran then no. If learn jawi to learn what's written on the stamp or on the bank notes or on jata negara then I truly believe that's something that should be tought to every Malaysian citizens.
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So if it's religion u don't step into non religion house la bodo.
when comes deepavali, makan u mau. bodo
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last tiem i drink the boiling ponggal milk i still alive...din sesat and die
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So
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If follow their logic then this should be the logical conclusion. hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 08:58 AM)
So if it's religion u don't step into non religion house la bodo.
when comes deepavali, makan u mau. bodo
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See what I mean when I say you are not making any sense? What are you trying to say here?

Fact is Pongal festival IS RELIGIOUS. What's that got to do with "step into non religion house" and "comes deepavali, makan u mau".

Don't be "BODO" and start blabbering nonsense things like this. You are embarrassing yourself. biggrin.gif

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Such indoctrination did not start yesterday. It started in 1981. Guess by who.
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:05 AM)
See what I mean when I say you are not making any sense? What are you trying to say here?

Fact is Pongal festival IS RELIGIOUS. What's that got to do with "step into non religion house" and "comes deepavali, makan u mau".

Don't be "BODO" and start blabbering nonsense things like this. You are embarrassing yourself.  biggrin.gif
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https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...guideli/1828007

u bodo or what. our minister said is not. u bodo go and find out facts from India newspaper. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 08:58 AM)
So if it's religion u don't step into non religion house la bodo.
when comes deepavali, makan u mau. bodo
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kawan... eating and participating in the ceremony is 2 different thing, kawan...
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kawan... eating and participating in the ceremony is 2 different thing, kawan...
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https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...guideli/1828007

is not even religious ceremony. religious ceremony and ritual are totally different tau. both of these i don't think performed in school.

only bodo pipul thinks that there's chanting or singing hymm.

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kawan... eating and participating in the ceremony is 2 different thing, kawan...
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what different thing.
If u step into chinese or indian house. the food can be sembahyang food before we served u too.. doh.gif so u makan the food that we performed ritual in the morning ok. how u know some of them don't performed ritual with the food during morning when praying. eat some sand before u think u know everything. doh.gif
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Such indoctrination did not start yesterday. It started in 1981. Guess by who.
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Exactly. It didn't start yesterday.

What people like Rama and others will never ever get is that this is not a particular person or some persons at large who are responsible for such divisive and obnoxious instructions. This is how it is from top to bottom. Its the intolerant ideology that is condescending and supremacist that hates, belittles and disparages anything that is not connected to it.
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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Jan 15 2020, 11:00 AM)
So
Muslim also cannot cuti on cny or any other religion punya perayaan?
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kennot!
Muslim peeps must work on all other festive season to uphold our economi

CNY/deepa/crismas/etc office close, they must kerja else jakim come raid
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QUOTE(tatabun @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 AM)
last tiem i drink the boiling ponggal milk i still alive...din sesat and die
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QUOTE(RagingBalls @ Jan 15 2020, 09:12 AM)
Exactly. It didn't start yesterday.

What people like Rama and others will never ever get is that this is not a particular person or some persons at large who are responsible for such divisive and obnoxious instructions. This is how it is from top to bottom. Its the intolerant ideology that is condescending and supremacist that hates, belittles and disparages anything that is not connected to it.
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One has to go back to history of when Ponggal started in school nationwide. Why those days, the muslim have no objection to this oblivion. Why now ? If these have been going to be a yearly occurence, somewhere is not right. the leadership is not good for the malaysian and every new regulations and time wasted in parliament comes to nothing .


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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 09:11 AM)
what different thing.
If u step into chinese or indian house. the food can be sembahyang food before we served u too..  doh.gif so u makan the food that we performed ritual in the morning ok. how u know some of them don't performed ritual with the food during morning when praying. eat some sand before u think u know everything. doh.gif
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so ure more happy if jakim come out circular say kenot celebrate cny and deepavali? laugh.gif

their religion leave them be la. doh.gif if they want to haram for their ppl, so be it. as long as it doesnt affect the ppl who celebrate it, why bother?
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 09:15 AM)
One has to go back to history of when Ponggal started in school nationwide. Why those days, the muslim have no objection to this oblivion. Why now ? If these have been going to be a yearly occurence, somewhere is not right. the leadership is not good for the malaysian and every new regulations and time wasted in parliament comes to nothing .
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And then they wonder why the nons shun the SK and prefer the vernacular schools. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 09:16 AM)
then why /k resident indian say otherwise?
beside, even if it is not observed as religious ceremony in malaysia, it has deep Hinduism root to it.
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i don't know who /K resident indian in kopitiam .
Of course there are many who don't read bible or quran , just like other religion too. so what u expect everyone to share the same story in kopitiam? some stupid even go copy indian newspaper which are deeper than u thought. Even Taiwan and China have their own custom compare with ours here. mana sama. Even muslim have different clan la.
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 09:18 AM)
so ure more happy if jakim come out circular say kenot celebrate cny and deepavali? laugh.gif

their religion leave them be la. doh.gif if they want to haram for their ppl, so be it. as long as it doesnt affect the ppl who celebrate it, why bother?
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Still remember Kelantan case?
All trader, non Muslim also must close during ramadan
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 01:15 AM)
One has to go back to history of when Ponggal started in school nationwide. Why those days, the muslim have no objection to this oblivion. Why now ? If these have been going to be a yearly occurence, somewhere is not right. the leadership is not good for the malaysian and every new regulations and time wasted in parliament comes to nothing .
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Why now? Is it because of kimanis by election?

"Najib, 2020"
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QUOTE(RagingBalls @ Jan 15 2020, 09:19 AM)
And then they wonder why the nons shun the SK and prefer the vernacular schools.  shakehead.gif
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yes..
too many rules in SK.

Never ends .
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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:19 AM)
Still remember Kelantan case?
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that is in kelantan, no? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jan 15 2020, 09:21 AM)
Why now? Is it because of kimanis by election?

"Najib, 2020"
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Instead of rakyat getting the govt to improved the overcrowded prison facilities, over crowded hospitals, short of public doctor expertise and street policing. their main agenda in Malaysia 2020 is " lantern issue" ponggal etc. etc.

Imagine our rakyat money spent on building billboards, t shirts, posters, TV advertisment on 1Malaysian that probably cost 10 billions. Semua di hapus kan.

10 billion can built better hospitals and better schools . "As long as Jakim is around, there won't be peace.
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 09:19 AM)
i don't know who /K resident indian in kopitiam .
Of course there are many who don't read bible or quran , just like other religion too. so what u expect everyone to share the same story in kopitiam? some stupid even go copy indian newspaper which are deeper than u thought. Even Taiwan and China have their own custom compare with ours here. mana sama. Even muslim have different clan la.
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doesnt matter, muslim are prohibited to join in the ceremony, of anything that is even remotely religious to other religion. theres no way around it, it is stated in their religious book. u ask for tolerance, yet u cant tolerate this fact? doh.gif


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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 09:24 AM)
that is in kelantan, no? laugh.gif
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That is related ISLAM, NO?
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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:29 AM)
That is related ISLAM, NO?
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so kelantan=whole malaysia now?

that is kelantan being retarded. i didnt see the same thing happening across malaysia laugh.gif

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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 09:06 AM)
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...guideli/1828007

u bodo or what. our minister said is not. u bodo go and find out facts from India newspaper.  rolleyes.gif
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Lolz, go read you own source laa "BODO". Human Resources Minister M. Kulasegaran. Of course hes going to say it's not religious.

What did he know about what Muslin can/cannot do? That was his own opinion. Not an official statement from any ministry. So who cares?

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KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 14 — Human Resources Minister M. Kulasegaran today chastised those who labelled the Ponggal harvest festival a religious one, following an alleged circular cautioning Muslims in schools on how they should limit their participation in the festival.

The Ipoh Barat MP pointed out that the aim of Ponggal is to foster unity among Tamils for the preservation of the community’s culture and literature.

“It is incorrect to label the festival a religious one, as it has no religious significance.

“I will bring this up to Cabinet tomorrow in order to clarify matters,” he said in a statement.

Kulasegaran’s remarks came following a letter which has gone viral on social media.

The letter was allegedly issued by an official from the Education Ministry cautioning Muslims in schools on the limits of their participation in the Ponggal celebration.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...guideli/1828007


This is the official letter coming from MoE.

Go read this first laa "BODO"
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Religion of bans, and as such, the religion of exclusion.
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...... Ermmmm read my post again and stop replying confusing nonsense.
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Read what? Be specific.
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Why are you asking me again? "BODO" doh.gif
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 09:33 AM)
so kelantan=whole malaysia now?

that is kelantan being retarded. i didnt see the same thing happening across malaysia laugh.gif
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Who knows
Nobody defend or stand up for the minority there

Who can certain or be sure that it won't spread to whole msia?

Will the liberal, or perhaps YOU defend the minority?
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 09:28 AM)
doesnt matter, muslim are prohibited to join in the ceremony, of anything that is even remotely religious to other religion. theres no way around it, it is stated in their religious book. u ask for tolerance, yet u cant tolerate this fact? doh.gif
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Bullshit. Chinese gave red packet, muslim gave green packet. U know Chameleon? u look in the mirror la.
Chinese make nyonya kuih to sembahyang, why u r eating them too? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:35 AM)
Lolz, go read you own source laa "BODO". Human Resources Minister M. Kulasegaran. Of course hes going to say it's not religious.

What did he know about what Muslin can/cannot do? That was his own opinion. Not an official statement from any ministry. So who cares?
This is the official letter coming from MoE.

Go read this first laa "BODO"
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its true though haram
but i dont think many muslim care
ramai sj minum arak zina all that haram

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Tolerance is a 2 way street. When you are intolerant of others' beliefs and practices one cannot expect others to tolerate your intolerance under the name of tolerance.
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Ini haram?

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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 09:39 AM)
Bullshit. Chinese gave red packet, muslim gave green packet. U know Chameleon? u look in the mirror la.
Chinese make nyonya kuih to sembahyang, why u r eating them too?  rolleyes.gif
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red packet is religious? TIL... laugh.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Why are you asking me again? "BODO" doh.gif
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QUOTE(FlyingVCLplayer @ Jan 15 2020, 08:41 AM)
Case closed. Hope TS and Mod can close this  topic. Whatever happen, we won't celebrate any other religious things that specifically done for other type of GOD. Its HARAM

We are even willing to die, as long as we are stick to one belief "There is no God except Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"

Simple things.

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red packet is religious? TIL... laugh.gif rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Apparently yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_envelope
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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:38 AM)
Who knows
Nobody defend or stand up for the minority there

Who can certain or be sure that it won't spread to whole msia?

Will the liberal, or perhaps YOU defend the minority?
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dude... i am in your side... born and raised in the land below the wind, raised as a christian and later become atheist laugh.gif

in this case, did they go extreme? the 'haram' only affect muslims, others are not affected. so why bother? just dont give a fuck and continue living la. their religion, let them do as they please, as long as it didnt affect the nons, why bother?

srsly i dun understand la u guys. u guys ask for tolerance, yet u guys cant tolerate whatever the muslims do to themselves doh.gif
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You "BODO"? Blind? Don't know how to read? Also why are you trying to derail my question? Answer this first.

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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 09:44 AM)
all i read is its a symbol of good fortune. nowhere stated that giving angpao is a religious symbol. or perhaps u can point out what i missed? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 09:11 AM)
what different thing.
If u step into chinese or indian house. the food can be sembahyang food before we served u too..  doh.gif so u makan the food that we performed ritual in the morning ok. how u know some of them don't performed ritual with the food during morning when praying. eat some sand before u think u know everything. doh.gif
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I don't know where u live but in my place
The the devout Hindu uncle everyday go temple type.. will say this is sembahyang ritual punya makan, so his Muslim friend don't eat. Vice versa his Muslim friend don't send him daging korban or cow meat, they don't slaughter the cow in the neighbourhood. Never happen that this Hindu uncle ask his Muslim friend to perform ritual for Hindu god or Muslim friend ask this uncle to joint Friday prayer. During Deepavali Muslim send this uncle soft drinks hundred plus, and this uncle distribute maruku..sometime his signature mutton curry, during kenduri/raya Muslim tapoa this uncle lauk. If pongal is a ritual like sembahyang raya then it is clear edi. Muslim can observe, very good to understand the significant but cannot do the ritual.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 14 2020, 11:16 PM)
/k bila suruh belajar jawi 3 muka surat meroyan macam nak kena sunat masuk islam. Kalau bab mcm ni tau pulak komen cultural la bagai.

Memang hipokrit.
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I don’t understand why u cannot comprehend FORCE
Ppl are forced to learn jawi
Nobody force u to celebrate ponggol bodo
Like u’re forced to be Muslim since birth
Now u wanna force other things on us
It’s like revenge
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all i read is its a symbol of good fortune. nowhere stated that giving angpao is a religious symbol. or perhaps u can point out what i missed? laugh.gif
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Good fortune can also be interpreted as part of religion. Cause in some countries its consider gawd blessing.
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 09:42 AM)
red packet is religious? TIL... laugh.gif rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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y u so bodo. didn't say it's religion. your comprehension tahap ultraman. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 09:49 AM)
dude... i am in your side... born and raised in the land below the wind, raised as a christian and later become atheist laugh.gif

in this case, did they go extreme? the 'haram' only affect muslims, others are not affected. so why bother? just dont give a fuck and continue living la. their religion, let them do as they please, as long as it didnt affect the nons, why bother?

srsly i dun understand la u guys. u guys ask for tolerance, yet u guys cant tolerate whatever the muslims do to themselves doh.gif
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Dude,
you said let them be, as long as they don't affect non Muslim.

Then I told you
Kelantan gomen forcing non Muslim to close their business due to Ramadhan

Then you said
Kelantan only mah, not whole msia

Then I said
No people defending the minority, asking will you defence the minority

Now you said again
Let them be, they are not affected others.

Dude, what you trying to say? Lol.. wait until the extremist spread whole msia then only you defend minority?
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QUOTE(springfall @ Jan 15 2020, 09:13 AM)
kennot!
Muslim peeps must work on all other festive season to uphold our economi

CNY/deepa/crismas/etc office close, they must kerja else jakim come raid
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Yeah, actually should be like this lol.
They should work during these festivals!
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 09:53 AM)
Good fortune can also be interpreted as part of religion. Cause in some countries its consider gawd blessing.
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so muslim cant have good fortune? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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I don’t understand why u cannot comprehend FORCE
Ppl are forced to learn jawi
Nobody force u to celebrate ponggol bodo
Like u’re forced to be Muslim since birth
Now u wanna force other things on us
It’s like revenge
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LOL this is top kek

say one thing do another

Please leave the indian and chinese community alone. see people cerebrate also want to protest, hear people cerebrate also want to haramkan

SK or SMK not just only belongs to Islam or Malay community. If muslim dont want to cerebrate then just MYOB. Period.
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Not to racing, but Muslim had to follow their rule. If we celebrate other religion's activity, means we justify that their religion is right. It is not permitted in Islam, as Muslim should only pray and submit to one God only.

It is our religion and it is our rule. But at the same time, we cannot forbid other people to do it. But it have to be in their community only.
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 09:49 AM)
dude... i am in your side... born and raised in the land below the wind, raised as a christian and later become atheist laugh.gif

in this case, did they go extreme? the 'haram' only affect muslims, others are not affected. so why bother? just dont give a fuck and continue living la. their religion, let them do as they please, as long as it didnt affect the nons, why bother?

srsly i dun understand la u guys. u guys ask for tolerance, yet u guys cant tolerate whatever the muslims do to themselves doh.gif
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fence sitter is the biggest batu api. Atheist is the one that is the weakest of the mankind.
they see people fight, let them fight.
there's a book that says that too. they judge on facts and figures not knowing that the universe out there and is also in them. They don't see right as right , wrong as wrong. only see gray. but they are in this world knowing their existence in the Upside Down world. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:54 AM)
Dude,
you said let them be, as long as they don't affect non Muslim.

Then I told you
Kelantan gomen forcing non Muslim to close their business due to Ramadhan

Then you said
Kelantan only mah, not whole msia

Then I said
No people defending the minority, asking will you defence the minority

Now you said again
Let them be, they are not affected others.

Dude, what you trying to say? Lol.. wait until the extremist spread whole msia then only you defend minority?
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if it affects my life, of coz i will fight against it. but now, does ponggal become haram among muslim affect me, directly or indirectly? absolutely not. so why should i be bothered by it?

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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 09:59 AM)
fence sitter is the biggest batu api. Atheist is the one that is the weakest of the mankind.
they see people fight, let them fight.
there's a book that says that too. they judge on facts and figures not knowing that the universe out there and is also in them. They don't see right as right , wrong as wrong. only see gray. but they are in this world knowing their existence in the Upside Down world.  whistling.gif
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the fuck u mumbling about? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:54 AM)
Dude,
you said let them be, as long as they don't affect non Muslim.

Then I told you
Kelantan gomen forcing non Muslim to close their business due to Ramadhan

Then you said
Kelantan only mah, not whole msia

Then I said
No people defending the minority, asking will you defence the minority

Now you said again
Let them be, they are not affected others.

Dude, what you trying to say? Lol.. wait until the extremist spread whole msia then only you defend minority?
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That fella said he is an atheist.
Atheist is a fence sitter. he is a chameleon. one day christian, tomorrow muslim. his here to cause havoc type of people.
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 09:59 AM)
if it affects my life, of coz i will fight for it. but now, does ponggal become haram among muslim affect me, directly or indirectly? absolutely not. so why should i be bothered by it?
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actaully it does affect you.

what happen if one day you invite your friends to go your house celebrate, and your friends got mixture of muslims/non muslims? suddenly the polis is knocking on your door why you trying to proselytize your muslims friends.
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QUOTE
The six conditions stated in the letter are:

To not wear any special clothing which might relate to Hinduism, including clothing of Hindu priests;
To not use any paraphernalia such as chains and floral garlands, making figures, and applying powders on the body that relate to Hinduism;
To be not involved in any sort of ritual;
To not scold or make fun of the Hindu gods;
To not enter Hindu places of worship when Ponggal is ongoing, and
To wish “selamat” to friends and neighbours without putting Islam down.


I didn't see a problem here. EduMin didn't ask them to hold the event. They just restrict the Muslims student from doing above. Why Ramasamy so butthurt about?

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:01 AM)
actaully it does affect you.

what happen if one day you invite your friends to go your house celebrate, and your friends got mixture of muslims/non muslims? suddenly the polis is knocking on your door why you trying to proselytize your muslims friends.
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uh... just say theyre here for makan2 oni la... nothing wrong with makan2 wat.. laugh.gif

let me elaborate:-

go to church with me, and pray = haram
go to my house makan2 celebrating christmas = ok

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:01 AM)
actaully it does affect you.

what happen if one day you invite your friends to go your house celebrate, and your friends got mixture of muslims/non muslims? suddenly the polis is knocking on your door why you trying to proselytize your muslims friends.
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i have seen a lot of people like kurangak.
the one that will betray , poisoned and don't cause any red flag. If u watch survivor episode long enough, he is a survivor that will last till Finale.

no back bone. one.
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 10:03 AM)
uh... just say theyre here for makan2 oni la... nothing wrong with makan2 wat.. laugh.gif
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but what if your friend is the one who feel you trying to spread your religion? he's the one that reported you?
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:04 AM)
but what if your friend is the one who feel you trying to spread your religion? he's the one that reported you?
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then ure an idiot for choosing such 'friend' laugh.gif
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so muslim cant have good fortune? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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You  "BODO"? Blind? Don't know how to read? Also why are you trying to derail my question? Answer this first.
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 10:05 AM)
then ure an idiot for choosing such 'friend' laugh.gif
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then you see you're affected. when the law make someone doing something so mundane as illegal, everybody is affected.
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Answer what?
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You asking me to read your post, so i ask back. what post? Too "BODO" to even understand this? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:06 AM)
then you see you're affected. when the law make someone doing something so mundane as illegal, everybody is affected.
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ok, maybe my life would be indirectly affected,

but even if that happens, u can always prove ur innocence what.. its not like if someone want to sabotage u, ur life is 100% fucked. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 10:03 AM)
i have seen a lot of people like kurangak.
the one that will betray , poisoned and don't cause any red flag. If u watch survivor episode long enough, he is a survivor that will last till Finale.

no back bone. one.
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so much hatred... what difference between u and that 'rasis berpelembagaan' lawyer then? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:10 AM)
You asking me to read your post, so i ask back. what post? Too "BODO" to even understand this?  biggrin.gif

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Again u calling urself bodo why?
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QUOTE(pokchik @ Jan 14 2020, 10:30 PM)
tanglung haram? source please.
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Using chopstick also they say is haram
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 10:13 AM)
Again u calling urself bodo why?
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Wei "BODO". Again you tries to dodge the question. Too "BODO" to answer a simple question like this? biggrin.gif

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Nex time indian can restrict themselves during Raya celebrations... apa susah?
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Nex time indian can restrict themselves during Raya celebrations... "What goes around come around" apa susah?

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Nex time indian can restrict themselves during Raya celebrations... "What goes around come around" apa susah?
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Yes, please do that and see if the Muslims cares. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:23 AM)
Wei "BODO". Again you tries to dodge the question. Too "BODO" to answer a simple question like this?  biggrin.gif

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What question?
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QUOTE(pauleta85 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:24 AM)
Nex time indian can restrict themselves during Raya celebrations... "What goes around come around" apa susah?
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No problem at all bro. Muslim just can't celebrate other religion's celebration. Other religions, it is up to them. Apa susah.
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What question?
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You "BODO" like Parrot keeps repeating nonsense while dodging the actual question that need answering? Yup. You really is "BODO". Gtg. Answering my customer calls is more beneficial than entertaining you. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 08:06 AM)
Read the opening post la. The one who's butthurt is that rama-rama because the MoE instruction is to advice muslim children not to join the celebration, not saying the celebration cant be held. The one who's forcing is actually rama-rama by saying it should be celebrated because it's cultural, not religious.

Ada faham ka anneh?
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Which side got butthurted first and actively came out with the statement to remind/force some people not to join the celebration?

And what wrong for rama to say their festival to be celebrated ?
They just voiced up against someone who knows nothing about their festival but still playing the religious card all the time
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 10:12 AM)
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so much hatred... what difference between u and that 'rasis berpelembagaan' lawyer then? laugh.gif
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So much hatred ?
I just compliment you that you are the kind who will survived till the Survivor Reality show Finale. If that's hatred , u kena cermin sendiri your own words.

Like i said u lived in upside down world. u can't see your own hatred, fence sitter. whistling.gif
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one would expect an education ministry can as least tell apart religious and cultural festivals rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 09:49 AM)
dude... i am in your side... born and raised in the land below the wind, raised as a christian and later become atheist laugh.gif

in this case, did they go extreme? the 'haram' only affect muslims, others are not affected. so why bother? just dont give a fuck and continue living la. their religion, let them do as they please, as long as it didnt affect the nons, why bother?

srsly i dun understand la u guys. u guys ask for tolerance, yet u guys cant tolerate whatever the muslims do to themselves doh.gif
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you're not born yesterday to know all this is just Malaya going crazy with divisive policies. come-on lol, nons are not affected when certain policies are introduced to drive a wedge between the country's once harmonious multicultural identity? That is exactly whats happening. Its politics, and its a ace card for certain quarters to keep playing the issue. Coz through these policies, they can sow the seeds to turn normal folk into radicals, dun wanna mix with other faiths and live in perpetual fear, so they can onli accept the views of the powerful in their own communities. U want that kind of society?


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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 14 2020, 11:16 PM)
/k bila suruh belajar jawi 3 muka surat meroyan macam nak kena sunat masuk islam. Kalau bab mcm ni tau pulak komen cultural la bagai.

Memang hipokrit.
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I have to agree with this. the hypocrisy of a group of people here are apparent. Jawi is just a set of alphabet, it is in fact more cultural that the issue at hand here.

Muslims are not allowed to celebrate other people's cultural festivities; these are the prerogative of the Muslims. I do not understand why the non-Muslims are using this as a political tool.

JAKIM is well qualified to come up with guidelines for the Muslims, they are doing their job and responsibilities in coming out with this directive. Islam is the official religion of the country, despite some people arguing that Malaysia is not an Islamic country:

"The constitution makes Malaysia a secular country and guarantees freedom of religion, while establishing Islam as the "religion of the Federation" to symbolise its importance to Malaysian society." Source


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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:30 AM)
You "BODO" like Parrot keeps repeating nonsense while dodging the actual question that need answering? Yup. You really is "BODO". Gtg. Answering my customer calls is more beneficial than entertaining you. biggrin.gif
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What are you on about? What has this got to do with ur customer?
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Jan 15 2020, 10:35 AM)
you're not born yesterday to know all this is just Malaya going crazy with divisive policies. come-on lol, nons are not affected when certain policies are introduced to drive a wedge between the country's once harmonious multicultural identity? That is exactly whats  happening. Its politics, and its a ace card for certain quarters to keep playing the issue. Coz through these policies, they can sow the seeds to turn normal folk into radicals, dun wanna mix with other faiths and live in perpetual fear, so they can onli accept the views of the powerful in their own communities. U want that kind of society?
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I agree with you.

this guy actually want's both side to fight . We called this type of guy Deep Throat. he's the martha farker type.
side here and there type. basically, he will pump his shot gun into any pussy once the wife left the house .

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Deswai next pru must vote pas. Pas for all thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE(hkindaichi @ Jan 15 2020, 10:27 AM)
No problem at all bro. Muslim just can't celebrate other religion's celebration. Other religions, it is up to them. Apa susah.
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u r right. i think non malays oso dun care as well..
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QUOTE(prince12 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:30 AM)
Which side got butthurted first and actively came out with the statement to remind/force some people not to join the celebration?

And what wrong for rama to say their festival to be celebrated ?
They just voiced up against someone who knows nothing about their festival but still playing the religious card all the time
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Actually, JAKIM have authority to say what Muslim can/cannot do. If still want to join, then it is their choice. Its not like JAKIM say, Indian cannot do this. It's just like this:

I have a kid, and I have authority for my kid. I say to my kid, you cannot play at the playground today because of something danger. But I do not force other people to stay at home also. Where is the problem actually?
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 10:37 AM)
I agree with you.

this guy actually want's both side to fight . We called this type of guy Deep Throat. he's the martha farker type.
side here and there type.
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maybe, he thinks he's being smart but mcm he also allow local politics to seep into his reasoning. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Jan 15 2020, 10:35 AM)
you're not born yesterday to know all this is just Malaya going crazy with divisive policies. come-on lol, nons are not affected when certain policies are introduced to drive a wedge between the country's once harmonious multicultural identity? That is exactly whats  happening. Its politics, and its a ace card for certain quarters to keep playing the issue. Coz through these policies, they can sow the seeds to turn normal folk into radicals, dun wanna mix with other faiths and live in perpetual fear, so they can onli accept the views of the powerful in their own communities. U want that kind of society?
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You cannot force other communities to accept your cultures, it is a decision set by JAKIM, the authoritative of the Muslims. As it is, it seem that people like you are the ones that are trying to divide the Muslims, in doubting the sanctity of JAKIM as the representative of Islamic authority in Islam. It is not uncommon for enemies of Islam to divide the Muslims by attacking all levels of the institution.
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QUOTE(roymustang @ Jan 15 2020, 10:38 AM)
Deswai next pru must vote pas. Pas for all  thumbsup.gif

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more like conquered people under PAS.
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 15 2020, 10:36 AM)
I have to agree with this. the hypocrisy of a group of people here are apparent. Jawi is just a set of alphabet, it is in fact more cultural that the issue at hand here.

Muslims are not allowed to celebrate other people's cultural festivities; these are the prerogative of the Muslims. I do not understand why the non-Muslims are using this as a political tool.

JAKIM is well qualified to come up with guidelines for the Muslims, they are doing their job and responsibilities in coming out with this directive. Islam is the official religion of the country, despite some people arguing that Malaysia is not an Islamic country:

"The constitution makes Malaysia a secular country and guarantees freedom of religion, while establishing Islam as the "religion of the Federation" to symbolise its importance to Malaysian society." Source
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But but but https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sinarharia...044/BISNES/MCED

Boggles my mind u guys still think the 3 pages thing is the issue.
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 15 2020, 10:36 AM)
I have to agree with this. the hypocrisy of a group of people here are apparent. Jawi is just a set of alphabet, it is in fact more cultural that the issue at hand here.

Muslims are not allowed to celebrate other people's cultural festivities; these are the prerogative of the Muslims. I do not understand why the non-Muslims are using this as a political tool.

JAKIM is well qualified to come up with guidelines for the Muslims, they are doing their job and responsibilities in coming out with this directive. Islam is the official religion of the country, despite some people arguing that Malaysia is not an Islamic country:

"The constitution makes Malaysia a secular country and guarantees freedom of religion, while establishing Islam as the "religion of the Federation" to symbolise its importance to Malaysian society." Source
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Totally agree with you bro. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 15 2020, 10:39 AM)
You cannot force other communities to accept your cultures, it is a decision set by JAKIM, the authoritative of the Muslims. As it is, it seem that people like you are the ones that are trying to divide the Muslims, in doubting the sanctity of JAKIM as the representative of Islamic authority in Islam. It is not uncommon for enemies of Islam to divide the Muslims by attacking all levels of the institution.
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You are making your own imaginary situations about communities 'forced' to share cultures with each other? Dafuk? biggrin.gif Were you 'forced' to celebrate festivals of other faiths? someone put a gun to your head to sing carols in a church? The only thing that's forced upon us, its that everyone kena cuti on that day. But hey! if you feel forced into holidaying to celebrate other festivals that you feel is not relevant to your religion, you are FREE TO WORK ON ALL THOSE DAYS. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Jan 15 2020, 10:44 AM)
You are making your own imaginary situations about communities 'forced' to share cultures with each other? Dafuk? biggrin.gif  Were you 'forced' to celebrate festivals of other faiths?  someone put a gun to your head to sing carols in a church? The only thing that's forced upon us, its that everyone kena cuti on that day. But hey! if you feel forced into holidaying to celebrate other festivals that you feel is not relevant to your religion, you are FREE TO WORK ON ALL THOSE DAYS.  thumbup.gif
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Are you really in real or just wake up and just comment? Let take into this situation.

School want to celebrate the Pongal.
Jakim said Muslim cannot celebrate Pongal.
Ministry ask Muslim student to not celebrate Pongal based on Jakim decision.
Ministry ask Muslim student to respect other cultures.
Ramasamy butthurt, say this is culture not religion.

So here again, do you understand the context?
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Jan 15 2020, 10:44 AM)
You are making your own imaginary situations about communities 'forced' to share cultures with each other? Dafuk? biggrin.gif  Were you 'forced' to celebrate festivals of other faiths?  someone put a gun to your head to sing carols in a church? The only thing that's forced upon us, its that everyone kena cuti on that day. But hey! if you feel forced into holidaying to celebrate other festivals that you feel is not relevant to your religion, you are FREE TO WORK ON ALL THOSE DAYS.  thumbup.gif
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Nope not scared. The only scared people here are you. Just because the organization with the Islamic authority that is JAKIM is telling you that Muslims are not supposed to celebrate the cultures of other people, you go gaga about it. You are being divisive by attacking the sanctity of Jakim, because you want Muslims to be weak and divided.

You are not very sharp, you are mistaking a holiday with a forced celebration. It is the Muslims prerogative to not celebrate other people's culture, but you are acting as if Jakim is trampling over your rights when they are telling doing their job by taking care of the Muslims. As the enemy of Islam, it is not surprising that some people are getting pissed off when Jakim is doing their job.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 14 2020, 11:16 PM)
/k bila suruh belajar jawi 3 muka surat meroyan macam nak kena sunat masuk islam. Kalau bab mcm ni tau pulak komen cultural la bagai.

Memang hipokrit.
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Melayu taknak non Muslim guna jawi on nonmuslim product. So I guess jawi also somewhat Islamic then according to their logic? :lol2:

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