Muscle symmetry, I think you're goin to have to go with stuff like

-Dumbell bench press
-Incline benches
-Decline benches
-Dumbell Flys
-Pec decks
-Weighted push-ups

Gotta mix and match all those excercises to really give your chest a bodybuilding blast.


Anyway, I'm going to start using knee wraps soon already. I'm struggling with 6 plate squats, and my knees don't feel so happy with me afterwards. It's like a dilemma you.....if I go parallel only, my knees seem to hurt. If I go ATG, I'm afraid I'll have trouble coming up....

aiyehh....

me=jealous.. today baru dapat 275.. will shoot for a vid next tuesday..

kneewraps it is then..

I think you should quit the mentality that as long as it's not ATG, it's not hardcore because I will tell you that there are many pro bodybuilders who do not go ATG but at least lower than parallel, and they have much better leg development than powerlifters.
Granted yes, going just parallel or above it will induce a tremendous shearing force on the knees but is ATG an absolute must?
Last I checked, Jay Cutler and Bob Cicherillo don't seem to have any knee problems.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jul 17 2007, 04:58 PM

I hear ya man. Having been on a hybrid powerlifting/bodybuilding style program before, I can say that a lot of trainees here do not understand how important periodization is.
They do not grasp the concept that myofibrillar hypertrophy is not totally in sync with muscular hypertrophy. They do not take into consideration the factors of joint wear and tear, susceptibility to injuries and CNS burnout.
There is such a thing as progressing too fast but they'd like to think that as long as they keep piling on weight to the barbell, it's totally fine, eg. As long as they think they can keep adding 2.5 lbs to a barbell every week, in a few years they would be lifting thousands of pounds! I'm just anticipating an injury waiting to happen if they do not keep their enthusiasm in check. If everyone thought that progression in the weightlifting game is just linear, then we'd have untold numbers of Benni Magnussons, Jesse Marundes and Ronnie Colemans all over the place.

knee wraps? where to get them, AFAIK arnold doesn't go even parallel doing narrow stance, he does what we call quater squat, for narrow stance, because any lower it will screw your knee.

dude.. read our previous posts.. we are discussing about weight used and joints that we are afraid of injuring in the long run.. and when did i ever say that not squatting ATG is not hardcore? and i do not condone above parellel.. anything below parellel is absolutely fine.. u quoted my post saying that i DO THINK that there are plenty other ways to train ur legs-_-.. plus, my emphasis was on strength gain on the squat.. we were not talking about leg development..

You don't need to. There's a thing called connotation. And stop being so touchy like a woman.

yala.. u and your sarcasm..

i think u are having too much fun flaming ppl here.. stick to only one pls..

Zzz... you idiot. You should know if I'm flaming someone.

Hey

i actually edited out another sentence.. hehe.. will pm u..

pizzaboy ur clean and press higher than ur clean and jerk?

yeah that's normal.. to jerk is harder then to clean.. as form has to be perfect..

Why don't you copy the thing and paste it up too?
I'd like to see how you're progressing!

The reason the clean/jerk is lower is because I cannot get the technique right.

It's very DIFFICULT to squat with a clean grip. Your elbow must be VERY high upwards, and your wrists must be extremely flexible. And often the weights are resting of the tips of your fingers only. So to clean the weight, that's easy. To SQUAT it later......hoaakay! That's a challenge. The below sequence is a "snatch" but, imagine the snatching part ending at a clean (or at the front delts)



For clean/press, it's easy to clean it up. Then all you need to do, from your standing position, snap it above your head. And whee!



For the benefit of those who are scratching their heads wondering about the dfifrence.

Btw, you CANNOT clean the weights like the lady in the above picture. You gotta snap it up and "jump" a bit slightly before/after your knees, while extending your toes or else the weight won't clean up. The lady did it with much lighter weights. So it's still possible.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Jul 17 2007, 07:22 PM

i think its impossible to keep on adding weights..at the begining u can do it..but not later on...alot of things comes into play when ur lifting heavy...joints, muscle tear, safety, bones....and also form...no point saying u can bench so and so when ur not doing it properly or at least doing it right...

Which is exactly my point. Newbie gains are deceptive. They give a false sense of invulnerability but when wear and tear happens on the CNS, joints, ligaments then only will trainees realize sometimes you gotta go by feel and not be pressured to make PRs.
As a probodybuilder said, a person can train for 3 years and still can be considered a newbie. It takes years and years of experience to get things right and dialed in.

hope this conversation is read and learn by the people here i guess its not our loss...

Haha. Well, as long as we're experiencing hypertrophy, that's all that matters because that is what you and I are after. Do you remember watching one of Milos Sarcev's videos on chest training? He once walked into a gym, a trainee who had an above average chest but nothing special was benching 315lbs.
Another trainee was just benching 60kg, but had a well developed almost competition class chest. It's mind muscle connection mate.

woo!!
i'mma be like this!

Then you need to realize that higher reps will also give you strength to attain your goal. You do remember my training partner which took your deadlift poundage you could only do with 1 RM and he deadlifted that 20 times. , TUT and without even deloading. And he ain't no powerlifter.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jul 17 2007, 08:34 PM