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> I am so sicked of those calling menghapuskan SRJK

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mantoto
post Jan 4 2020, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 4 2020, 08:32 PM)
Good.

If that is the kind of mentality and outlook - i.e. Malays can compete with no fear, and that all schools should be open to all on merit (your SBPs, MRSMs, asrama penuhs, UiTM), that the quota system should be abolished, and that every Malaysian child should sit only one common examination (i.e. no matriculation and STPM division bullshit as well), THEN I may be able to get behind the abolishment of vernacular schools. This is only the start however. There are many other details to iron out.
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Including UEC too rite?

Since it created the division in the system.
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post Jan 4 2020, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2020, 08:16 PM)

Perhaps you can find any reference to this school? I'm genuinely curious how SMJK Sam Tet stands in the national rankings especially for 2015 and 2016
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As I said previously, there is an unofficial policy to ignore or downplay the achievement of vernacular schools, whether government or private, by the national media and the government bodies.

Cannot be when parents tell me year in year out that the schools they send their children to produce straight A students in UEC / SPM by the bucketloads, but nothing comes out in the press. End up the Malays seem to think only their elite schools are producing top scholars in the country.

I will say this though... Singapore loves the shit we are doing to our vernacular schools. They (the Singaporeans) get to reap the cream of the crop from our yearly cohort. All that talent goes to Singapore to help make Singapore great again, instead of helping Malaysia.

But well... terpulanglah.
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post Jan 4 2020, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(mantoto @ Jan 4 2020, 08:37 PM)
Including UEC too rite?

Since it created the division in the system.
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Yeah, including UEC.

If can abolish matriculation and quota system, and make STPM the common exam for one and all, and take away bullshit stuff like backdoors, then I would support abolishment of UEC too.

But as long as any of these quota or matriculation nonsense exist, then UEC needs to go on, because it is with UEC that Chinese vernacular school students can move to other countries to study and migrate, if needed.
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post Jan 4 2020, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2020, 08:16 PM)
I give you 1 example- SMJK Sam Tet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMJK_Sam_Tet

So far I'm unable to find any reference to this school in any education rankings. Most of the ranking lists I found are mainly SBP or MRSM (sample)

Google search finds this list of top 10 best secondary schools 10 Sekolah Menengah Terbaik Malaysia 2017 but I'm not able to find the complete list of all srk, srjk, smk, smjk in the country and their rankings. At most I'm just able to find this (sos)

Perhaps you can find any reference to this school? I'm genuinely curious how SMJK Sam Tet stands in the national rankings especially for 2015 and 2016
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I dont know about STPM.

But the 3 best school in Perak for 2018 SPM is Sekolah Tunku Abdul Rahman, MCKK and Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Agama (SMKA) Ulul Albab, somehwere in Kerian.

Harian Metro linkhttps://www.hmetro.com.my/mutakhir/2019/03/433696/624-calon-spm-perak-dapat-semua
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post Jan 4 2020, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 4 2020, 08:39 PM)
Yeah, including UEC.

If can abolish matriculation and quota system, and make STPM the common exam for one and all, and take away bullshit stuff like backdoors, then I would support abolishment of UEC too.

But as long as any of these quota or matriculation nonsense exist, then UEC needs to go on, because it is with UEC that Chinese vernacular school students can move to other countries to study and migrate, if needed.
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SPM and STPM can do that too.
UEC is not compulsory to study overseas.

This post has been edited by mantoto: Jan 4 2020, 08:46 PM
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post Jan 4 2020, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(mantoto @ Jan 4 2020, 08:40 PM)
I dont know about STPM.

But the 3 best school in Perak for 2018 SPM is Sekolah Tunku Abdul Rahman, MCKK and Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Agama (SMKA) Ulul Albab, somehwere in Kerian.

Harian Metro linkhttps://www.hmetro.com.my/mutakhir/2019/03/433696/624-calon-spm-perak-dapat-semua
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While I'm not dismissing the academic achievement of these schools, I'm just wondering how complete was the list and how was the ranking done, is it inclusive smjk or excluded?
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post Jan 4 2020, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(mantoto @ Jan 4 2020, 08:45 PM)
SPM and STPM can do that too.
UEC is not compulsory to study overseas.
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UEC allows vernacular school students to graduate one year faster than STPM students and opens more doors to Chinese language institutions overseas than STPM.

If I had a child in Malaysia who had to choose between UEC or STPM, and if money was not an issue, then no brainer for me.... would pick UEC 10 times out of 10.
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Another vernacular school boy:

Yi Hern, from a vernacular school
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post Jan 4 2020, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2020, 08:46 PM)
While I'm not dismissing the academic achievement of these schools, I'm just wondering how complete was the list and how was the ranking done, is it inclusive smjk or excluded?
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not sure bro.

the only link that I can find, since one of the commenters mention SMJK Sam Tet as his example, is this analysis of the trial for SPM 2018 - for schools in Ulu Kinta.

Hopefully this can give you an idea. PDF file warning.

JPN Perakhttp://jpnperak.moe.gov.my/ppdkinta/attachments/article/7192/DTP-%20PASCA%20NILAI%20SPM%20BIL%203-2018.pdf

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post Jan 4 2020, 08:54 PM

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i on the other hand am so sick of love song
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post Jan 4 2020, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 4 2020, 08:32 PM)
Good.

If that is the kind of mentality and outlook - i.e. Malays can compete with no fear, and that all schools should be open to all on merit (your SBPs, MRSMs, asrama penuhs, UiTM), that the quota system should be abolished, and that every Malaysian child should sit only one common examination (i.e. no matriculation and STPM division bullshit as well), THEN I may be able to get behind the abolishment of vernacular schools. This is only the start however. There are many other details to iron out.
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Hells yea. Stpm, matrix and uec should be consolidated into one single quality qualification exam. I don't understand the need to have so many when one should suffice. But I'm not well versed when it comes to pre tertiary education, so I need some comments from the enlightened ones.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2020, 08:46 PM)
While I'm not dismissing the academic achievement of these schools, I'm just wondering how complete was the list and how was the ranking done, is it inclusive smjk or excluded?
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Actually SBPs have been churning out great results for the past few decades. I still don't understand why it has been overlooked everyone.

Check out SPM. The top schools are SBPs and MRSMs. No other school come even close to matching them
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post Jan 4 2020, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(mantoto @ Jan 4 2020, 08:53 PM)
not sure bro.

the only link that I can find, since one of the commenters mention SMJK Sam Tet as his example, is this analysis of the trial for SPM 2018 - for schools in Ulu Kinta.

Hopefully this can give you an idea. PDF file warning.

JPN Perakhttp://jpnperak.moe.gov.my/ppdkinta/attachments/article/7192/DTP-%20PASCA%20NILAI%20SPM%20BIL%203-2018.pdf
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Thanks bro, thats what I'm looking for
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post Jan 4 2020, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 4 2020, 08:03 PM)
I am from an SBP. Thats the reason why we shouldn't have this shit anymore. Like I said, Kasi buka semua. Takut APA bossku. Melayu bukan Bodo. Ramai je Melayu 4 flat, straight As, first class etc.

It starts from the beginning. Primary school.
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Yea yea tolong bukak, nanti 6 months u turn mintak tongkat


Melayu tak bodo tapi tak setanding yang lain

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post Jan 4 2020, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2020, 08:16 PM)
I give you 1 example- SMJK Sam Tet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMJK_Sam_Tet

So far I'm unable to find any reference to this school in any education rankings. Most of the ranking lists I found are mainly SBP or MRSM (sample)

Google search finds this list of top 10 best secondary schools 10 Sekolah Menengah Terbaik Malaysia 2017 but I'm not able to find the complete list of all srk, srjk, smk, smjk in the country and their rankings. At most I'm just able to find this (sos)

Perhaps you can find any reference to this school? I'm genuinely curious how SMJK Sam Tet stands in the national rankings especially for 2015 and 2016
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I'll try to look for school ranking. Can't promise anything. From your post smjk Sam tet are very good.

In my place the smjk are considered ah beng school. Good student go to ACS.
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post Jan 4 2020, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(DingDing2233 @ Jan 4 2020, 11:07 PM)
Yea yea tolong bukak, nanti 6 months u turn mintak tongkat
Melayu tak bodo tapi tak setanding yang lain

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There are Bodo malays too, just like there are Bodo Chinese and Indians and Mat Salleh etc.

Hey there are variations in human beings. Surprise surprise.
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post Jan 5 2020, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2020, 04:23 AM)
Beats me why some ppl still thinks mixing everyone in the same school and magically, somehow, we will achieve unity. Makan in toilet during puasa, separate cups for muslim children and nons, and to a certain extend closing the whole canteen during puasa (non muslims no need to eat also during puasa is it? This never happened during my time in sk), all these happens in vernacular school is it? Look at those jamal red shirts, look at those shouting bossku, look at those shouting racial hates and threats in social media, they all also coming from vernacular school is it?

Its not the school, its the system, idiotsย  doh.gif

And for all the supposedly superior single stream school etc etc. I have asked this question many times yet have never received any answer:

Why can't you go ahead and convert all national schools to single stream school, upgrade the teachers & education standards FIRST then only look at vernacular schools? Why die die must abolish vernacular schools first THEN only talk about single stream schools? Can anybody answer this?

Give a superior quality of education and you don't even need to abolish vernacular schools, they will die off by themselves from low enrollment. In the 70s-80s, vernacular schools almost died off because national schools were perceived to be equal or even slightly superior than vernacular schools. Today, how many national schools can you honestly say is genuinely superior than vernacular schools?

You force ppl away from national schools with low education quality, religion (mahathir himself says national schools are like sekolah agama now) and racism. Instead of fixing this to attract ppl back, lets do a short cut, abolish the vernacular schools so everybody have no choice but can only go to 1 national schools. Lets call it unityย  doh.gif
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No. Vernacular and religious schools have overstayed their welcome. Not because theyโ€™re necessarily bad nor producing bad students, but the time has come to merge all and improve all.

No ifs no buts.

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post Jan 5 2020, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 4 2020, 02:41 PM)
Actually SBPs have been churning out great results for the past few decades. I still don't understand why it has been overlooked everyone.

Check out SPM. The top schools are SBPs and MRSMs. No other school come even close to matching them
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This is true. Using SPM as benchmark, no other type of school comes close. What we need to do now is upgrade the level of SPM and STPM to international level so that one day thereโ€™d be no need for UEC here.

And merge them all, the schools.
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post Jan 5 2020, 08:19 AM

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which country got SRJKC?
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post Jan 5 2020, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 5 2020, 08:01 AM)
No. Vernacular and religious schools have overstayed their welcome. Not because theyโ€™re necessarily bad nor producing bad students, but the time has come to merge all and improve all.

No ifs no buts.
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and u r making this decision for the rest of us? how about no

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