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geno
post Dec 16 2021, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Dec 16 2021, 04:59 PM)
Tak bonk tak taw
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geno
post Dec 17 2021, 01:27 AM

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Just to share last weekends ride
Cameron Highlands > Gua Musang > Cameron Highlands
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post Dec 17 2021, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(geno @ Dec 16 2021, 10:58 AM)
I would say constantly sip on water if its a hot day. If you wait till you are thirsty its too late. Long rides usually target 1 bottle per hour.

You want your body to perform, you need to give your body the resources it needs. Same with food or more specifically carbs, you dont diet on the bike.. you give your body the resources it needs to perform. With proper recovery it can adapt to your training.
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I will feed my body with full resources when it is serious ride
Feed when santai ride is different, don't feel that my body asked me to stop when latest ride to KLIA for 100km as forced to slow down bcos my buddy bonk half way.

But I can felt improved compare to earlier ride to KLIA same route, that time I forced to stop 3-4 times for the last 30km for drink and rest. Latest ride to KLIA, yeah I can feel my body allowing for 1-2 stops for last 30km.

My kind is “suffer first, relax later”, prepare for the worst always.
If there is serious ride, can adapt easily with external resources.

This post has been edited by gkl83: Dec 17 2021, 08:35 AM
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post Dec 17 2021, 08:31 AM

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Just saw this. Bicycle road events.

I should apply for Men Open, or Men Junior Master? Thinking take all different medals as my achievement...

https://bikecon.co/
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post Dec 17 2021, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Dec 17 2021, 08:31 AM)
Just saw this. Bicycle road events.

I should apply for Men Open, or Men Junior Master? Thinking take all different medals as my achievement...

https://bikecon.co/
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unless u aim for podium, it makes no diff...
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takes all medals = 50 + 100km ?

Dont mind me asking, have u ridden in a bike event before?

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post Dec 17 2021, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Dec 17 2021, 08:29 AM)
I will feed my body with full resources when it is serious ride
Feed when santai ride is different, don't feel that my body asked me to stop when latest ride to KLIA for 100km as forced to slow down bcos my buddy bonk half way.

But I can felt improved compare to earlier ride to KLIA same route, that time I forced to stop 3-4 times for the last 30km for drink and rest. Latest ride to KLIA, yeah I can feel my body allowing for 1-2 stops for last 30km.

My kind is “suffer first, relax later”, prepare for the worst always.
If there is serious ride, can adapt easily with external resources.
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Whats your definition of a serious ride though? Race pace average 44kmh? I would suggest you to try riding at 1 of those regular Putrajaya night rides that usually average 43+km/h first though.

Its not just about cycling fitness but bike handling skills that most newbies nowadays lack terribly and brings alot of danger to yourself and to anyone closeby. As much as you think cycling as a sport that needs alot of physical fitness its also a sport that requires very good bike handling skill in the peloton. 30km/h is the usual low speed endurance pace, and tempo rides are usually above 35kmh average which can be riden 5-6hours. For your general info, almost every race the past couple years before MCO, all averages nothing less than 40km/h for over 160km. Even 43km/h avg for shorter 120-140km distances.

You need to realise this before jumping in to any race/events, not to discourage you but preparation and expectation is equally important. I'm speaking from experience riding and racing since 1990's

This post has been edited by geno: Dec 17 2021, 11:45 AM
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post Dec 17 2021, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(geno @ Dec 17 2021, 11:35 AM)
Whats your definition of a serious ride though? Race pace average 44kmh? I would suggest you to try riding at 1 of those regular Putrajaya night rides that usually average 43+km/h first though.

Its not just about cycling fitness but bike handling skills that most newbies nowadays lack terribly and brings alot of danger to yourself and to anyone closeby. As much as you think cycling as a sport that needs alot of physical fitness its also a sport that requires very good bike handling skill in the peloton. 30km/h is the usual low speed endurance pace, and tempo rides are usually above 35kmh average which can be riden 5-6hours. For your general info, almost every race the past couple years before MCO, all averages nothing less than 40km/h for over 160km. Even 43km/h avg for shorter 120-140km distances.

You need to realise this before jumping in to any race/events, not to discourage you but preparation and expectation is equally important. I'm speaking from experience riding and racing since 1990's
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Anybody can complete the route and get the finisher medal with a standard milleage training...

Also tat s y I m asking whether he road in an event before to know how things works in an event...
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post Dec 17 2021, 02:04 PM

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if used to riding solo at get high average speed, just join duathlons or triathlons, no need learn bike handling skills, just maintain steady pace. join road race need to follow surges, attacks, avoid people suddenly swerving or braking in front. sometimes get tired mentally from needing to constantly focus before legs get tired. I've joined some century rides, but never join pulau indah cos the roads are usually terrible over there, not gonna take the risk following unknown train on horrible roads, easy recipe for crashes which was quite common for that event. but lazy to join events nowadays, most of them dont give out nice jerseys lol.
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post Dec 17 2021, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(geno @ Dec 17 2021, 11:35 AM)
Whats your definition of a serious ride though? Race pace average 44kmh? I would suggest you to try riding at 1 of those regular Putrajaya night rides that usually average 43+km/h first though.

Its not just about cycling fitness but bike handling skills that most newbies nowadays lack terribly and brings alot of danger to yourself and to anyone closeby. As much as you think cycling as a sport that needs alot of physical fitness its also a sport that requires very good bike handling skill in the peloton. 30km/h is the usual low speed endurance pace, and tempo rides are usually above 35kmh average which can be riden 5-6hours. For your general info, almost every race the past couple years before MCO, all averages nothing less than 40km/h for over 160km. Even 43km/h avg for shorter 120-140km distances.

You need to realise this before jumping in to any race/events, not to discourage you but preparation and expectation is equally important. I'm speaking from experience riding and racing since 1990's
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Serious ride no time to drink water too in the first 10-20km
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post Dec 17 2021, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Dec 17 2021, 02:17 PM)
Serious ride no time to drink water too in the first 10-20km
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serious ride no chance to drink ... unless traffic light baru turn red.
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QUOTE(benbeaninc @ Dec 17 2021, 02:46 PM)
serious ride no chance to drink ... unless traffic light baru turn red.
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yeah. but some serious groups use traffic lights as sprint sessions, got 1 ride tagged alone with strong mixed group coming back from kuala selangor, on jalan kuala selangor got a few traffic lights, each one had to sprint 400w for 30 seconds to not get dropped each time the lights turned green, no problems keeping up once cruising, but legs koyak cos of the accelerations, reach home legs gone lol. do solo ride definitely wont be doing 400w sprints at traffic lights lol.
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post Dec 17 2021, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(radmaszeal @ Dec 17 2021, 03:04 PM)
yeah. but some serious groups use traffic lights as sprint sessions, got 1 ride tagged alone with strong mixed group coming back from kuala selangor, on jalan kuala selangor got a few traffic lights, each one had to sprint 400w for 30 seconds to not get dropped each time the lights turned green, no problems keeping up once cruising, but legs koyak cos of the accelerations, reach home legs gone lol. do solo ride definitely wont be doing 400w sprints at traffic lights lol.
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tat s y i just ride with the ppl belakang... wait regroup bye.gif
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post Dec 17 2021, 03:45 PM

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sprinting is the most dangerous part... i never ever sprint unless if i manage to get on a decent train for the last corner. The tricky part is the last 5kms leading to the finish where u need to keep shuffling in peloton to avoid getting to the front too early and looking for a decent train or rider to follow.. When the pace picks up in the last 5km the speed usually dont go below 50kmh.. solo attacks are nullified. If speed goes below than that its possible for a last kilo flyer.. those are what i usually look for

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post Dec 17 2021, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(benbeaninc @ Dec 17 2021, 10:36 AM)
unless u aim for podium, it makes no diff...
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takes all medals = 50 + 100km ?

Dont mind me asking, have u ridden in a bike event before?
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I only aiming for finisher only

QUOTE(geno @ Dec 17 2021, 11:35 AM)
Whats your definition of a serious ride though? Race pace average 44kmh? I would suggest you to try riding at 1 of those regular Putrajaya night rides that usually average 43+km/h first though.

Its not just about cycling fitness but bike handling skills that most newbies nowadays lack terribly and brings alot of danger to yourself and to anyone closeby. As much as you think cycling as a sport that needs alot of physical fitness its also a sport that requires very good bike handling skill in the peloton. 30km/h is the usual low speed endurance pace, and tempo rides are usually above 35kmh average which can be riden 5-6hours. For your general info, almost every race the past couple years before MCO, all averages nothing less than 40km/h for over 160km. Even 43km/h avg for shorter 120-140km distances.

You need to realise this before jumping in to any race/events, not to discourage you but preparation and expectation is equally important. I'm speaking from experience riding and racing since 1990's
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well, average speed. those speed you mentioned, is group speed or solo speed?
More pro cyclists in group, the faster of overall average speed, no doubt.
I much focus on the result of solo average speed as eliminated the possibility of the aid by other cyclists during the ride. I think nothing to debate here.

Like what i mentioned earlier, I got a fren average speed can get 32-33km/h stated in Strava which he should ride in group and keep chasing the tails...
While he ride solo or he left behind, average speed just about 25-27km/h... even I using 7 years lousy old rb can overtake his brand new rb easily... sweat.gif

Well, joining for event. I am no aiming for top speed or podium but more on participation and experiences, unlock another achievement and life milestone. Out there alot hidden tiger and dragon. As the bikecon event, it even allowed MTB and foldie, obviously it isn't a competition event.

QUOTE(radmaszeal @ Dec 17 2021, 03:04 PM)
yeah. but some serious groups use traffic lights as sprint sessions, got 1 ride tagged alone with strong mixed group coming back from kuala selangor, on jalan kuala selangor got a few traffic lights, each one had to sprint 400w for 30 seconds to not get dropped each time the lights turned green, no problems keeping up once cruising, but legs koyak cos of the accelerations, reach home legs gone lol. do solo ride definitely wont be doing 400w sprints at traffic lights lol.
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I wont sprint in such manner at traffic light. Why traffic light located at the certain part of road for some reasons? It suppose to be high traffic section and why should sprint? who know you sprint but fell down on the road but the vehicles at the back no able to avoid... doh.gif

I only will do sprint at long stretch and quiet road such as around KLIA, my favorite route for cycling, I can sprint at the middle for road without worry anything. I tried solo 50km/h for 20-30sec right before the next checkpoint to test my max capabilities. Hence, highly recommend to use cleat shoe and pedal if planned to sprint to eliminate the possibility slipped away from pedal while full force, imagine your leg get cut by pedal and crankset or lost control while off saddle sweat.gif

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post Dec 18 2021, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Dec 17 2021, 10:48 PM)
I only aiming for finisher only
well, average speed. those speed you mentioned, is group speed or solo speed?
More pro cyclists in group, the faster of overall average speed, no doubt.
I much focus on the result of solo average speed as eliminated the possibility of the aid by other cyclists during the ride. I think nothing to debate here.

Like what i mentioned earlier, I got a fren average speed can get 32-33km/h stated in Strava which he should ride in group and keep chasing the tails...
While he ride solo or he left behind, average speed just about 25-27km/h... even I using 7 years lousy old rb can overtake his brand new rb easily... sweat.gif

Well, joining for event. I am no aiming for top speed or podium but more on participation and experiences, unlock another achievement and life milestone. Out there alot hidden tiger and dragon. As the bikecon event, it even allowed MTB and foldie, obviously it isn't a competition event.
I wont sprint in such manner at traffic light. Why traffic light located at the certain part of road for some reasons? It suppose to be high traffic section and why should sprint? who know you sprint but fell down on the road but the vehicles at the back no able to avoid... doh.gif

I only will do sprint at long stretch and quiet road such as around KLIA, my favorite route for cycling, I can sprint at the middle for road without worry anything. I tried solo 50km/h for 20-30sec right before the next checkpoint to test my max capabilities. Hence, highly recommend to use cleat shoe and pedal if planned to sprint to eliminate the possibility slipped away from pedal while full force, imagine your leg get cut by pedal and crankset or lost control while off saddle sweat.gif
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Bro bro... Chill...

First of all, u must first acknowledge that there are ppl in this forum which can do 30km/hr for 200-400km without breaking a sweat.
Some here have 35km/hr as their avg and some only can manage 25km/hr...

There are guru(s) here which gv u a pointer or 2 in how to improve ur cycling skill (free cycling lesson le)...

Correct me if I m wrong that, u hv not join any event yet. If not, Pls do enjoy the experience. I belip it will open ur eyes in the cycling world. Riding in a group n know how to ride in a paleton is a diff thing. Does not mean that u can ride 30km/hr solo u can ride 40km/hr in a group....

Sprinting is just a part of a cycling discipline... Some love to surge... Riding in a group ride just may not satisfy their ride, so they will just sprint 1 or 2 times only for the sake of self satisfaction...

Not forgetting there could hv trialetheles here who need to train to ride 180km solo.

We dun hv to show our potential in order to ride with each other. We should on the other hand, self evaluate whether the ppl we ride with is within our capability.

Cheers
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post Dec 18 2021, 09:48 PM

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meanhile strava annual report can be generated...
who wana share their #2021 achievement?
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post Dec 21 2021, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(benbeaninc @ Dec 18 2021, 09:48 PM)
meanhile strava annual report can be generated...
who wana share their #2021 achievement?
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failed my annual target
failed my annual climb

Nothing to share biggrin.gif I have no followers and not following ppl to, no picture, no most comment, no nothing.
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post Dec 21 2021, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(ijan @ Dec 21 2021, 08:58 AM)
failed my annual target
failed my annual climb

Nothing to share  biggrin.gif  I have no followers and not following ppl to, no picture, no most comment, no nothing.
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hahaha mind PM me how urs look like ... curious..

my elevation gain >>> distance
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post Dec 21 2021, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(benbeaninc @ Dec 21 2021, 10:01 AM)
hahaha mind PM me how urs look like ... curious..

my elevation gain >>> distance
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Haha, apa nk tengok, elevation 3072m, distance 3700km, time 137hr, tp this year banyak on trainer, wahoo head hooked with assioma, so time tu askewed la, sbb strava records the time, but not the distance nor the power. Strava issue, kena power up my trainer, or Zwift it.
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QUOTE(ijan @ Dec 21 2021, 10:42 AM)
Haha, apa nk tengok, elevation 3072m, distance 3700km, time 137hr, tp this year banyak on trainer, wahoo head hooked with assioma, so time tu askewed la, sbb strava records the time, but not the distance nor the power. Strava issue, kena power up my trainer, or Zwift it.
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see how strava handle ZERO


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