haha, pay to get full 60fps or RT (30fps)

Or go "free" with gamepass with 30fps XD

This post has been edited by TongCN: Feb 3 2021, 03:07 PM

actually the enhanced version without RT is already very good as what digital foundry said. They using alot of tech on it. tot ultimate will come to game pass but, dang. keep the ps+ version then wait for ps5 lol.

I meant that Control Ultimate Edition can be bought on Series X. Very well aware the one on Gamepass is just the regular Xbox One version. First timers would actually benefit buying the ultimate edition since it includes previous DLCs too. On top of the enhanced graphics with RT. But yeah the PS+ release was very much welcome. Too bad we're not getting it on Gamepass too.

No bro, under xbox there are 2 version of Ultimate edition (optimized) based on the logo:

1) "Naked" Ultimate edition - without season pass and DLC
2) "Complete" Ultimate edition - with season pass and every DLC

This is kinda stupid move and cheat ppl using the wording "ULTIMATE"

This post has been edited by TongCN: Feb 3 2021, 04:45 PM

Wait, so the Ultimate edition is still not the complete one? You need the ultimate ultimate version? WTF? Sounds like something Capcom would do. Remember SF4? Vanilla SF4 couldn't be upgraded to Super SF4. You need to buy it separately. Then they released Super SF4 Arcade Edition. Then they released Ultra SF4. But with fighting games, there is no such thing as a package that includes every single DLC though. Luckily those DLCs are mostly just skins and outfits.

Now they selling basically 2 types of Control in Xbox as far i can see:

Optimized and non-optimized

But Optimized one again separate into 2 which is base and full version..
So confusing like how NBA2K21 also =.=

I’m pretty sure that’s not the case - I bought the ultimate at 20usd a week before it came to game pass and it pretty much includes all the dlc. Quite sure there weren’t other versions for sale.

I guess based on the description, it says ultimate version includes everything. Probably xbox did some mistake in their store

I see why there is confusion now - control Xbox x/s version is on sale now for 27.99. The ultimate edition is still there but at full price for 40usd - this one includes xone, xs and all dlc Unfortunately the thumbnail used for both editions states that it’s the ultimate edition.

Does the ps+version come with the dlc?

Edit:the xs version that’s on sale also advertises itself as a bundle.. so the description is clearly wrong

This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Feb 3 2021, 06:53 PM

But i check microsoft store website it also say the 27.99 one includes past expansion..

Ya.. the store allows you to compare editions. Game title is correct but wrong thumbnail and description.

ah damn, both is ultimate edition kan? Then should screenshot the description and ask microsoft to eat their mistake lol

So other than mirror reflections, what does RT actually do in Control Ultimate edition?
I'm not really sold on RT technology. I feel that it burdens the system too much just for abit of light here and there.

I played Hitman 3 without RT, and still feels that it looks gorgeous already. Does RT makes it a different game?

This post has been edited by victorr: Feb 3 2021, 09:38 PM

Ray tracing isn't just for reflections. You have the scene accurate and also physically based materials affecting real time reflections, ray casting and also shadows. The gimmick that people know the most would be ray traced reflections.

On PC, for me ray tracing is definitely the best way to do all these. The RTX 3000 cards now can do RT at 1440p or 4k at 60 fps quite well. Compared to just a few short years ago, ray tracing hasn't progressed to this point. AMD only managed to have RT feature starting with the RDNA2 cards, as well as PS5 and Xbox Series X.

The short version is that ray tracing makes lighting and reflections more realistic. In the past, reflections are just faked using screen space reflections. Lighting is even less realistic because the artist needs to place fixed light source in the scene, which doesn't take into account the physical properties of the material that light is bouncing off from.

However, I do agree that on consoles right now, ray tracing performance is not quite there yet. You have to trade between higher resolution / framerate vs better visuals using ray tracing. But the current gen is just starting. I will expect AMD to work with Microsoft and Sony to continue improving the system level and also OS, further improving ray tracing capabilities.

So are the hardware of Ps5 and Xseries enough or they will have to come out with PS5 pro or Series Pro to fully achieve proper RT?
These new gen consoles were advertised to do 4K 120hz RT. Now it seems like you can only pick one of these features for each game

Taken at face value, Xbox Series X and PS5 are not powerful enough to have good RT performance. Actually, the marketing behind the consoles didn't say 4K 120Hz with RT. It can do all 3, but usually not at the same time. The most common use case will be:

1080p at 120FPS, RT off
4k at 60FPS, RT off
4K at 30FPS, RT on

There are also games like Spider-Man Miles Morales that has 4K at 60fps with RT on. But in order to achieve that, other effects will be lowered. It's not realistic to expect a console that sells at USD499 to have the most cutting edge tech at that price. Even my RTX3080 can't do 4K 120 with RT on. The best I can do is just 4K 60. Even then I have to enable DLSS. Otherwise the performance will absolutely tank.

Console pricing : 2k~3k (with scalper around)
High End PC pricing : 4k~6k

Actually i'm happy with the console right now at least no need tweak here and there XD

Hi all. Is it possible to get Xbox SX at retail price now? I POed since sept but still can’t get one. Qisahn also always sold out. Don’t want pay scalper price. 😔😔😔

Just took a dive and bought a SS import set to replace my old xb one with a dying hdd. Actually I was waiting for Qisahn's stocks for SX sg set but got tired of waiting. Actually to think again its not that bad buying the series s for RM1699 for import set considering transport and tax charges to bring the items in. Was resorting to import set myself prolly from Amazon but it was all sold out as well and when it was available last time the cost of bring it in including postage+tax is around that price(RM1699) as well. So might as well bought it locally.

Btw, got myself the unit from GH thru shopee. It's RM1699 ready stock instead of RM1799 on their website. Now, patiently waiting for the item to arrive

This post has been edited by pel: Feb 5 2021, 10:55 AM

I'm in the same boat as you. Until stock becomes common I don't think it's possible to get at retail price. So I just continue to wait.