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post Jan 29 2021, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(dx_treme @ Jan 28 2021, 09:15 PM)
GH selling seriesx 2.9k 100 cheaper than impulse with 2 old games

what is GH Premium Protection Plan? rm100 ermm
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guess Impulse also gonna be selling cheaper soon

I think it's the signs of the stock are getting normalised soon, as PS5 also are starting to get into normal game stores
but both still are sold out instantly doh.gif
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post Jan 29 2021, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(tripleB @ Jan 28 2021, 05:23 PM)
Weak in what sense? The fidelity? The surround effect? For my setup at least Dolby Atmos output is louder, crisper and has better surround effects.
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bro u connect ur xbox direct to ur receiver or to TV and TV to receiver?
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post Jan 29 2021, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(tripleB @ Jan 29 2021, 09:36 AM)
The funny part is Dolby Digital has the lowest bitrate of all. Just at 640kps maximum. DTS is 1.5Mbps. Atmos should be noticeably better than both. How do your speakers sound for Dolby Atmos tracks in movies? Either for Bluray or some Netflix shows?
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I dun have any UHD movie with Atmos/DTS:X so i cant test that yet.

Netflix with ATMOS movie i think so so only.
Like the Underground 6 i dun feel any height channel at all during the heli fight =.=
This weekend will watch "Outside the Wire" and see good or not.

But game like Gears of war 5 superb on the ATMOS, i can feel the environment and 3D bubble in the game specially this game keep on having helicopter flying on each chapter XD.
Multiplayer stage there's one with the train comes in and out also got the directional feel.

However, when i test on DTS:X... it feels weak on sound production. Not so impressive feel. Kinda meh ..
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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jan 29 2021, 09:50 AM)
guess Impulse also gonna be selling cheaper soon

I think it's the signs of the stock are getting normalised soon, as PS5 also are starting to get into normal game stores
but both still are sold out instantly doh.gif
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price revert back to rm2999. that price actually for 27 jan flash sales haha but they not update back to the original price..
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post Jan 29 2021, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jan 29 2021, 10:06 AM)
bro u connect ur xbox direct to ur receiver or to TV and TV to receiver?
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I connect my Xbox directly to the TV using the HDMI 2.1 port. Then connect the eARC port to the receiver. Basically I'm using eARC to get audio to the receiver. I could just connect it to the receiver like I always have, but my receiver is not HDMI 2.1 capable. There WILL be sound delay, but my TV has a setting for audio sync. This part needs some manual tuning on my part. Now it's tuned perfectly. No more sound delay.
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post Jan 29 2021, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Jan 29 2021, 10:54 AM)
I dun have any UHD movie with Atmos/DTS:X so i cant test that yet.

Netflix with ATMOS movie i think so so only.
Like the Underground 6 i dun feel any height channel at all during the heli fight  =.=
This weekend will watch "Outside the Wire" and see good or not.

But game like Gears of war 5 superb on the ATMOS, i can feel the environment and 3D bubble in the game specially this game keep on having helicopter flying on each chapter XD.
Multiplayer stage there's one with the train comes in and out also got the directional feel.

However, when i test on DTS:X... it feels weak on sound production. Not so impressive feel. Kinda meh ..
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Atmos tracks are not necessarily lossless. I thought that an Atmos track is just a Dolby TruHD track with height element. But it's actually more about the positional audio tracking. Regardless of your setup (5.1.2 , 7.1.2, 9.1.2 etc) it will still have good positional audio including height. Apparently even a Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital Plus track can be the core of an Atmos track. It's possible that a Netflix version of a movie will sound different from the UHD Bluray version.

Anyway bro, I read some reviews about the Samsung Q950T. That thing is probably the best soundbar for 2020. Judging by the reviews, I have no reason to think it would underwhelm. Maybe I will go kacau Harvey Norman one day just to test the sound.
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post Jan 29 2021, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(tripleB @ Jan 29 2021, 11:22 AM)
I connect my Xbox directly to the TV using the HDMI 2.1 port. Then connect the eARC port to the receiver. Basically I'm using eARC to get audio to the receiver. I could just connect it to the receiver like I always have, but my receiver is not HDMI 2.1 capable. There WILL be sound delay, but my TV has a setting for audio sync. This part needs some manual tuning on my part. Now it's tuned perfectly. No more sound delay.
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ah okay. so ur receiver is always will show Dolby atmos? cos for me my series x connect to my LG C9, then earc to denon x1600h, my TV is set to passthru at hdmi eARC, if game like destiny 2 tat is not native atmos optimized game, i see my AVR input is PCM. But if game like gears 5 which got native atmos support, it will show input is atmos. If i set to auto at TV, it will always show dolby atmos, but will have .5 sec delay.. Not yet try bluray with atmos cos i dont have any lol.

Not sure if the passthru from PCM is with metadata or not, but i can hear sound coming from the atmos module tho for game like destiny. Maybe xbox upmix sendiri then send as PCM like wat apple tv does. cos i know atmos also can become PCM with MAT 2.0.
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QUOTE(tripleB @ Jan 29 2021, 11:35 AM)
Atmos tracks are not necessarily lossless. I thought that an Atmos track is just a Dolby TruHD track with height element. But it's actually more about the positional audio tracking. Regardless of your setup (5.1.2 , 7.1.2, 9.1.2 etc) it will still have good positional audio including height. Apparently even a Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital Plus track can be the core of an Atmos track. It's possible that a Netflix version of a movie will sound different from the UHD Bluray version.

Anyway bro, I read some reviews about the Samsung Q950T. That thing is probably the best soundbar for 2020. Judging by the reviews, I have no reason to think it would underwhelm. Maybe I will go kacau Harvey Norman one day just to test the sound.
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It is one of the best but not so friendly with my xbox series X & S on dolby Atmos setting.

Same old issue which need to go change output format and back into game to rehand-shake.

But other than Gears 5 and Forza 4 Horizon, i stick back to Dolby Digital.
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post Jan 29 2021, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jan 29 2021, 11:49 AM)
ah okay. so ur receiver is always will show Dolby atmos? cos for me my series x connect to my LG C9, then earc to denon x1600h, my TV is set to passthru at hdmi eARC, if game like destiny 2 tat is not native atmos optimized game, i see my AVR input is PCM. But if game like gears 5 which got native atmos support, it will show input is atmos. If i set to auto at TV, it will always show dolby atmos, but will have .5 sec delay.. Not yet try bluray with atmos cos i dont have any lol.

Not sure if the passthru from PCM is with metadata or not, but i can hear sound coming from the atmos module tho for game like destiny. Maybe xbox upmix sendiri then send as PCM like wat apple tv does. cos i know atmos also can become PCM with MAT 2.0.
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That's also my setup more or less. Digital output mode on the TV is throughput only. So the Xbox will just send the sound to the receiver. My receiver does show Armos at all times.

I think the Xbox does do the actual decoding. Not bitstream to the amp. It's like how if you play a Bluray movie with PS3, PS3 will do the decoding and output to the amp as LPCM. Back then I didn't get this. I thought movies played with PS3 is not as good as using Bluray player, because I couldn't see the DOLBY ATMOS indicator on my amp. In actuality the sound quality would be the same. It's just that the PS3 couldn't bitstream lossless audio.
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post Jan 29 2021, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Jan 29 2021, 11:50 AM)
It is one of the best but not so friendly with my xbox series X & S on dolby Atmos setting.

Same old issue which need to go change output format and back into game to rehand-shake.

But other than Gears 5 and Forza 4 Horizon, i stick back to Dolby Digital.
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I see gotcha. Incidentally most of the reviews just talk about using it with movies and music. Maybe they didn't really try with games.
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post Jan 29 2021, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(tripleB @ Jan 29 2021, 01:03 PM)
I see gotcha. Incidentally most of the reviews just talk about using it with movies and music. Maybe they didn't really try with games.
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If you check places like samsung forum or avforums, there got mentioned.

This issue started since Xbox One era also sad.gif
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post Jan 29 2021, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(tripleB @ Jan 29 2021, 01:01 PM)
That's also my setup more or less. Digital output mode on the TV is throughput only. So the Xbox will just send the sound to the receiver. My receiver does show Armos at all times.

I think the Xbox does do the actual decoding. Not bitstream to the amp. It's like how if you play a Bluray movie with PS3, PS3 will do the decoding and output to the amp as LPCM. Back then I didn't get this. I thought movies played with PS3 is not as good as using Bluray player, because I couldn't see the DOLBY ATMOS indicator on my amp. In actuality the sound quality would be the same. It's just that the PS3 couldn't bitstream lossless audio.
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i see. just now i did some experiment tho. when my series x setting is dolby atmos home theater, if for game with dolby atmos support (gears 5, ori & wisps), my denon x1600h will show dolby atmos. If i play game like destiny 2 without dolby atmos, it show dolby surround, which is actually should be LPCM input with Dobly MAT 2.0, because i can hear my atmos height module got sound coming out, and i already switch off dolby virtualizer, which if no atmos signal it will not use the atmos module.

series x will always upmix audio into atmos if ur setting is dolby atmos, which i think is not a good move. Cos it can be hit or miss, just like auto HDR. The only way is to switch to dolby digital whenever playing non native atmos game.

weird thing for LG TV is, if i set my TV to auto, it will show dolby atmos at my receiver all the time, but i get bad audio lag even in menu lol. and i cant set audio delay to minus on my receiver nor my tv. If set to passthrough, non atmos will be LPCM with Dolby MAT 2.0, it is actually okay. At least it is not PCM stereo then im good lol.
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just bought mine at rm2999 from shopee. Gamerboystore. Coz they giving 1 yr warranty to the japan unit. Can't wait for the console to arrive
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post Jan 29 2021, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(ahucks @ Jan 29 2021, 03:42 PM)
just bought mine at rm2999 from shopee. Gamerboystore. Coz they giving 1 yr warranty to the japan unit. Can't wait for the console to arrive
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Be sure to sub for game pass also tongue.gif
Since xbox disc are so hard to find here sad.gif
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post Jan 30 2021, 11:08 AM

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Been playing ‘The Medium’ for a day and I am truly amazed by the fidelity of the game. Not only it has split screen, the images and video moves simultaneously on Split Screen.

This is really a next-gen ‘marvel’ of a game, best played with headphones as well.


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QUOTE(TongCN @ Jan 29 2021, 04:32 PM)
Congratz biggrin.gif

Be sure to sub for game pass also tongue.gif
Since xbox disc are so hard to find here sad.gif
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Already got that on my old xbox one.
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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Jan 30 2021, 11:08 AM)
Been playing ‘The Medium’ for a day and I am truly amazed by the fidelity of the game. Not only it has split screen, the images and video moves simultaneously on Split Screen.

This is really a next-gen ‘marvel’ of a game, best played with headphones as well.
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I was just about to ask if anyone played The Medium already. I just played it before posting here. Of course I'm on PC with a RTX3080, so the experience may vary. Even on PC I must say the game can stress your machine. I wasn't able to get a stable 60fps with RT on, all effects at maximum at 4K. So I dropped the resolution to 1440p, with DLSS at Medium (hehe). The game hovers between 44 fps to 60 fps, but with Gsync on, the game looks smooth enough for me.

How is it on Series X? I saw the Digital Foundry analysis saying the game uses dynamic resolution scaling between 900p to 4k. Do you notice the resolution drop? Or is it not too noticeable?
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QUOTE(tripleB @ Jan 30 2021, 12:35 PM)
I was just about to ask if anyone played The Medium already. I just played it before posting here. Of course I'm on PC with a RTX3080, so the experience may vary.  Even on PC I must say the game can stress your machine. I wasn't able to get a stable 60fps with RT on, all effects at maximum at 4K. So I dropped the resolution to 1440p, with DLSS at Medium (hehe). The game hovers between 44 fps to 60 fps, but with Gsync on, the game looks smooth enough for me.

How is it on Series X? I saw the Digital Foundry analysis saying the game uses dynamic resolution scaling between 900p to 4k. Do you notice the resolution drop? Or is it not too noticeable?
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Nice!

I noticed the resolution starts to drop during the split screen scenes - there’s certain scenes where I also noticed that the textures were pixelated.

I can hear my console’s fan running at full speed - its a pretty graphic hogging game, but most of the solo scenes you can see the RT effects in its full glory. Frame rate wise, quite constant, but like what you said, the reso does drop, its quite noticeable.
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post Feb 1 2021, 09:19 AM

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Kinda hard to differentiate very significant between Series S and X in term of graphic for current games.

For optimized games such as D2 and G5:
Only certain details in Destiny 2 can noticed but actually not huge impact. The main differ i think i noticed straight away was the sparrow moment with boost.

Gears 5 also only noticeable if ur eyes are picky enough, else during the gameplay, you probably wont go and notice.

Others i think most benefit are the backward compatible with 60fps since series S mostly took One S version which is limited.
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post Feb 1 2021, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Feb 1 2021, 09:19 AM)
Kinda hard to differentiate very significant between Series S and X in term of graphic for current games.

For optimized games such as D2 and G5:
Only certain details in Destiny 2 can noticed but actually not huge impact. The main differ i think i noticed straight away was the sparrow moment with boost.

Gears 5 also only noticeable if ur eyes are picky enough, else during the gameplay, you probably wont go and notice.

Others i think most benefit are the backward compatible with 60fps since series S mostly took One S version which is limited.
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I think in terms of playability, Series S is good enough for most people. And I don't mean that negatively. For most games, it just means lower resolution than Series X. On some games however, it has lower FPS, or missing effects. Most recently, The Medium does not have raytracing on Series S. It just uses screen space reflections to replace RT. At the end of the day though, most games still feel good to play on Series S, and that's the most important thing for me.

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