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post Dec 20 2019, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2019, 02:35 PM)
Tax payers should be angry about this, RM1.7B for something that need not happen. But most that vote for the "wrong" side unlikely pay income taxes laugh.gif

Or stamp duty on SPA and LA

Feels sad man
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post Dec 20 2019, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2019, 02:47 PM)
Tax payers should be angry about this, RM1.7B for something that need not happen. But most that vote for the "wrong" side unlikely pay income taxes laugh.gif

Or stamp duty on SPA and LA

Feels sad man
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most taxpayers or their parents supported that side back then. I call it Gabriel Knight - Sins of the Fathers. it's payback time now biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2019, 02:47 PM)
Tax payers should be angry about this, RM1.7B for something that need not happen. But most that vote for the "wrong" side unlikely pay income taxes laugh.gif

Or stamp duty on SPA and LA

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Wrong or right sides, the future for all sides is going down the drain if all these continue. How is the country going to sustain with escalating debts?
By 2030, may be 3 trillion?


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post Dec 20 2019, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2019, 03:20 PM)
Wrong or right sides, the future for all sides is going down the drain if all these continue. How is the country going to sustain with escalating debts?
By 2030, may be 3 trillion?
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not an expert, but we can't. probably do a Greece or sell petronas. then can start milking again
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hmm.gif seriously rethinking if i should even continue buying asm 1,2 & 3. hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(poor fella @ Dec 20 2019, 03:33 PM)
hmm.gif seriously rethinking if i should even continue buying asm 1,2 & 3.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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you don't want god to bless you no more?

if you're worried about the country, your option is dump your 1money overseas or buy gold/bitcoin. as long as you hold new MYR, you're at risk
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post Dec 20 2019, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 20 2019, 03:36 PM)
you don't want god to bless you no more?

if you're worried about the country, your option is dump your 1money overseas or buy gold/bitcoin. as long as you hold new MYR, you're at risk
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But here i see all of you reporting unit purchases of multiple grands on a daily basis

Surely there are better UTs out there (there are). You guys addicted to the fixed unit price eh?
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2019, 03:39 PM)
You guys addicted to the fixed unit price eh?
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ASM123 look the best after promo FD. Difficult 1 time vs transfer fund to qualify as fresh fund each year. If emergency need money, can redeem without a loss due to comission.
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 20 2019, 03:42 PM)
ASM123 look the best after promo FD. Difficult 1 time vs transfer fund to qualify as fresh fund each year. If emergency need money, can redeem without a loss due to comission.
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Makes sense. Yet all of my brethrens that havent even filled up their quota on asb1 and 2 (with cash or financing), are complaining about PH government destroying their race's wealth, just because of the 5.5 sen dividen. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2019, 03:45 PM)
Makes sense. Yet all of my brethrens that havent even filled up their quota on asb1 and 2 (with cash or financing), are complaining about  PH government destroying their race's wealth, just because of the 5.5 sen dividen. laugh.gif

Empty cans are the loudest
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haha i saw.

they haven't experience ASM1/3 yet. Dividend drop, lament a bit, still keep buying. definitely not like them condeming govt/ASN.
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this is the side effect of stealing money borrowed from somewhere with high interest paid. Many don't understand. Our country is a failure country because mostly waiting windfall from government. they forgotten we need to work hard to get what we wanted. Where are all these asXX monies from? Public listed company dividend and company/business growth so that stock prices moving up. From toll collection, petronas, natural resources and taxes. FDI setup international firms in malaysia so that we have some good work for locals with good pay so that they can spend and spruce the economy. Some even lamented why FD rate so low. The higher it goes, the worsened inflation it will be. Some compared to singapore exhange rate. Do you know SG FD rate is near 0 few years back yet our FD rate is 3-4% at that time? Why ringgit dropped so badly? To support all these. Ringgit drop export increase (gloves, oil palm, crude oil) then company have more profit. Simple math. if the company make 1USD profit means converted to ringgit it will be more because the currency devalued. Then, the profit goes back to asxx because asxx is the shareholder. In the coming years, you will continue to see the our money continue to drop. If you ask what should we do? Diversify the portfolio to invest in foreign stock/investment. Currency goes strong with productivity. Look at Thailand, VN, TW, their manufacturing/tourism/agro spruce, so you see their economy getting better especially TW, VN, Cambodia in the area of high tech manufacturing due to china tradewar. We can benefit from China tradewar but unfortunately we don't have skill workers. Where are those skill workers? Is our children studying IT/Engineering/Finance? Tourism, 16% of TH GDP is from tourism. What we have done to capture the tourism market especially tourist from CN?

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post Dec 20 2019, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 20 2019, 08:12 PM)
this is the side effect of stealing money borrowed from somewhere with high interest paid. Many don't understand. Our country is a failure country because mostly waiting windfall from government. they forgotten we need to work hard to get what we wanted. Where are all these asXX monies from? Public listed company dividend and company/business growth so that stock prices moving up. From toll collection, petronas, natural resources and taxes. FDI setup international firms in malaysia so that we have some good work for locals with good pay so that they can spend and spruce the economy. Some even lamented why FD rate so low. The higher it goes, the worsened inflation it will be. Why ringgit dropped so badly? To support all these. Ringgit drop export increase (gloves, oil palm, crude oil) then company have more profit. Simple math. if the company make 1USD profit means converted to ringgit it will be more because the currency devalued. Then, the profit goes back to asxx because asxx is the shareholder. In the coming years, you will continue to see the our money continue to drop. If you ask what should we do? Diversify the portfolio to invest in foreign stock/investment. Currency goes strong with productivity. Look at Thailand, VN, TW, their manufacturing/tourism/agro spruce, so you see their economy getting better especially TW, VN, Cambodia in the area of high tech manufacturing due to china tradewar. We can benefit from China tradewar but unfortunately we don't have skill workers. Where are those skill workers? Is our children studying IT/Engineering/Finance?
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Ini fail belajar ni. Please use paragraphs after a few sentences
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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 20 2019, 08:12 PM)
this is the side effect of stealing money borrowed from somewhere with high interest paid. Many don't understand. Our country is a failure country because mostly waiting windfall from government. they forgotten we need to work hard to get what we wanted. Where are all these asXX monies from? Public listed company dividend and company/business growth so that stock prices moving up. From toll collection, petronas, natural resources and taxes. FDI setup international firms in malaysia so that we have some good work for locals with good pay so that they can spend and spruce the economy. Some even lamented why FD rate so low. The higher it goes, the worsened inflation it will be. Some compared to singapore exhange rate. Do you know SG FD rate is near 0 few years back yet our FD rate is 3-4% at that time? Why ringgit dropped so badly? To support all these. Ringgit drop export increase (gloves, oil palm, crude oil) then company have more profit. Simple math. if the company make 1USD profit means converted to ringgit it will be more because the currency devalued. Then, the profit goes back to asxx because asxx is the shareholder. In the coming years, you will continue to see the our money continue to drop. If you ask what should we do? Diversify the portfolio to invest in foreign stock/investment. Currency goes strong with productivity. Look at Thailand, VN, TW, their manufacturing/tourism/agro spruce, so you see their economy getting better especially TW, VN, Cambodia in the area of high tech manufacturing due to china tradewar. We can benefit from China tradewar but unfortunately we don't have skill workers. Where are those skill workers? Is our children studying IT/Engineering/Finance? Tourism, 16% of TH GDP is from tourism. What we have done to capture the tourism market especially tourist from CN?
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When the country fails, the one suffering most r the B40. Right now they might be benefitting with all the goodies from govt.
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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 20 2019, 08:12 PM)
this is the side effect of stealing money borrowed from somewhere with high interest paid. Many don't understand. Our country is a failure country because mostly waiting windfall from government. they forgotten we need to work hard to get what we wanted. Where are all these asXX monies from? Public listed company dividend and company/business growth so that stock prices moving up. From toll collection, petronas, natural resources and taxes. FDI setup international firms in malaysia so that we have some good work for locals with good pay so that they can spend and spruce the economy. Some even lamented why FD rate so low. The higher it goes, the worsened inflation it will be. Some compared to singapore exhange rate. Do you know SG FD rate is near 0 few years back yet our FD rate is 3-4% at that time? Why ringgit dropped so badly? To support all these. Ringgit drop export increase (gloves, oil palm, crude oil) then company have more profit. Simple math. if the company make 1USD profit means converted to ringgit it will be more because the currency devalued. Then, the profit goes back to asxx because asxx is the shareholder. In the coming years, you will continue to see the our money continue to drop. If you ask what should we do? Diversify the portfolio to invest in foreign stock/investment. Currency goes strong with productivity. Look at Thailand, VN, TW, their manufacturing/tourism/agro spruce, so you see their economy getting better especially TW, VN, Cambodia in the area of high tech manufacturing due to china tradewar. We can benefit from China tradewar but unfortunately we don't have skill workers. Where are those skill workers? Is our children studying IT/Engineering/Finance? Tourism, 16% of TH GDP is from tourism. What we have done to capture the tourism market especially tourist from CN?
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Good observation. Root cause is our policy.....and some interested with black shoe than substance ....
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When PNB has a bad year, does it affect its employees?

what's their bonus? Do they get a pay cut?
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post Dec 21 2019, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Dec 20 2019, 09:46 PM)
When PNB has a bad year, does it affect its employees?

what's their bonus? Do they get a pay cut?
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PNB is doing fine, you need to understand that ASNB and PNB are two different entities laugh.gif in fact the 0.5% bonus distribution given to ASB subscribers were paid out of PNB's pocket
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A good read: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ither-the-funds

The last few paragraphs are quite interesting.

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Interestingly, PNB’s newly minted CEO in a recent twitter exchange, addressed the issue of lower returns.

In one LinkedIn reply, an individual questioned why PNB was explaining its low returns by benchmarking it against fixed deposit rates and the FBM KLCI index. He said that PNB ought to benchmark itself against fund managers who beat the index and that the volatility and unpredictability in the markets are not grounds enough for PNB to show lower returns. He also claimed that PNB fund managers were too cautious and risk averse. In response, Jalil said this: “That would mean taking on additional risks and that would mean you need to be prepared for higher losses. ASB is a fixed price fund that’s meant to give stable rates of return. There is no such thing as higher risks, capital protected and higher returns sitting together, ” he quipped in his reply.

Hence, it is likely that lower returns are going to be the norm in the foreseeable future should the markets remain challenging.



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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 21 2019, 10:28 PM)
A good read: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ither-the-funds

The last few paragraphs are quite interesting.
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As long as ASx is not like TH, we should already be thankful.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/201...rs-told/1710235

This followed a report that Tabung Haji had been illegally paying the “hibah” to its depositors since 2014, which contravened the Tabung Haji Act 1995 as TH had more debts than assets in the previous years.

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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 20 2019, 08:12 PM)
this is the side effect of stealing money borrowed from somewhere with high interest paid. Many don't understand. Our country is a failure country because mostly waiting windfall from government. they forgotten we need to work hard to get what we wanted.
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Yes. Seems like a lot of companies rely on govt contracts to thrive. the moment new govt freeze some mega projects, cement stocks crashed like hell. Then they buyout them cement companies at low price just before govt resume them mega projects.

In the long run, I believe ringgit can only go down.

QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2019, 08:31 PM)
When the country fails, the one suffering most r the B40. Right now they might be benefitting with all the goodies from govt.
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Actually I feel M40 suffer more. B40 probably don't live the lifestyle of M40.

QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 21 2019, 08:44 AM)
PNB is doing fine, you need to understand that ASNB and PNB are two different entities laugh.gif in fact the 0.5% bonus distribution given to ASB subscribers were paid out of PNB's pocket
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Ahhhh I never know the bonus came from PNB. I thought retained undistributed profits from previous years.

QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 21 2019, 10:28 PM)
A good read: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ither-the-funds

The last few paragraphs are quite interesting.
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I agree with PNB. Should the market crash when they make big bets, they're gone.

I buy ASM because price is fixed and dividend not lower than promotional FD. If I want high risk high gain, straight I go to KLSE or US market.

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EPF dividend for this FY to be declared next year should also be going down unless there is a miracle in Q4. Q1 and Q3 income reduced a lot vs last year. Q2 slightly less.

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