QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2019, 02:35 PM)
Tax payers should be angry about this, RM1.7B for something that need not happen. But most that vote for the "wrong" side unlikely pay income taxes Or stamp duty on SPA and LA
Feels sad man
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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2019, 02:35 PM) Tax payers should be angry about this, RM1.7B for something that need not happen. But most that vote for the "wrong" side unlikely pay income taxes Or stamp duty on SPA and LA Feels sad man |
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Dec 20 2019, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2019, 02:47 PM) Tax payers should be angry about this, RM1.7B for something that need not happen. But most that vote for the "wrong" side unlikely pay income taxes most taxpayers or their parents supported that side back then. I call it Gabriel Knight - Sins of the Fathers. it's payback time now Or stamp duty on SPA and LA Feels sad man This post has been edited by beLIEve: Dec 20 2019, 02:55 PM |
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Dec 20 2019, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2019, 02:47 PM) Tax payers should be angry about this, RM1.7B for something that need not happen. But most that vote for the "wrong" side unlikely pay income taxes Wrong or right sides, the future for all sides is going down the drain if all these continue. How is the country going to sustain with escalating debts?Or stamp duty on SPA and LA Feels sad man By 2030, may be 3 trillion? This post has been edited by MGM: Dec 20 2019, 08:20 PM |
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Dec 20 2019, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2019, 03:20 PM) Wrong or right sides, the future for all sides is going down the drain if all these continue. How is the country going to sustain with escalating debts? not an expert, but we can't. probably do a Greece or sell petronas. then can start milking againBy 2030, may be 3 trillion? |
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Dec 20 2019, 03:33 PM
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Dec 20 2019, 03:36 PM
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Dec 20 2019, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 20 2019, 03:36 PM) you don't want god to bless you no more? But here i see all of you reporting unit purchases of multiple grands on a daily basisif you're worried about the country, your option is dump your 1money overseas or buy gold/bitcoin. as long as you hold new MYR, you're at risk Surely there are better UTs out there (there are). You guys addicted to the fixed unit price eh? |
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Dec 20 2019, 03:42 PM
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Dec 20 2019, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 20 2019, 03:42 PM) ASM123 look the best after promo FD. Difficult 1 time vs transfer fund to qualify as fresh fund each year. If emergency need money, can redeem without a loss due to comission. Makes sense. Yet all of my brethrens that havent even filled up their quota on asb1 and 2 (with cash or financing), are complaining about PH government destroying their race's wealth, just because of the 5.5 sen dividen. Empty cans are the loudest |
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Dec 20 2019, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2019, 03:45 PM) Makes sense. Yet all of my brethrens that havent even filled up their quota on asb1 and 2 (with cash or financing), are complaining about PH government destroying their race's wealth, just because of the 5.5 sen dividen. haha i saw.Empty cans are the loudest they haven't experience ASM1/3 yet. Dividend drop, lament a bit, still keep buying. definitely not like them condeming govt/ASN. |
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Dec 20 2019, 08:12 PM
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this is the side effect of stealing money borrowed from somewhere with high interest paid. Many don't understand. Our country is a failure country because mostly waiting windfall from government. they forgotten we need to work hard to get what we wanted. Where are all these asXX monies from? Public listed company dividend and company/business growth so that stock prices moving up. From toll collection, petronas, natural resources and taxes. FDI setup international firms in malaysia so that we have some good work for locals with good pay so that they can spend and spruce the economy. Some even lamented why FD rate so low. The higher it goes, the worsened inflation it will be. Some compared to singapore exhange rate. Do you know SG FD rate is near 0 few years back yet our FD rate is 3-4% at that time? Why ringgit dropped so badly? To support all these. Ringgit drop export increase (gloves, oil palm, crude oil) then company have more profit. Simple math. if the company make 1USD profit means converted to ringgit it will be more because the currency devalued. Then, the profit goes back to asxx because asxx is the shareholder. In the coming years, you will continue to see the our money continue to drop. If you ask what should we do? Diversify the portfolio to invest in foreign stock/investment. Currency goes strong with productivity. Look at Thailand, VN, TW, their manufacturing/tourism/agro spruce, so you see their economy getting better especially TW, VN, Cambodia in the area of high tech manufacturing due to china tradewar. We can benefit from China tradewar but unfortunately we don't have skill workers. Where are those skill workers? Is our children studying IT/Engineering/Finance? Tourism, 16% of TH GDP is from tourism. What we have done to capture the tourism market especially tourist from CN?
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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 20 2019, 08:12 PM) this is the side effect of stealing money borrowed from somewhere with high interest paid. Many don't understand. Our country is a failure country because mostly waiting windfall from government. they forgotten we need to work hard to get what we wanted. Where are all these asXX monies from? Public listed company dividend and company/business growth so that stock prices moving up. From toll collection, petronas, natural resources and taxes. FDI setup international firms in malaysia so that we have some good work for locals with good pay so that they can spend and spruce the economy. Some even lamented why FD rate so low. The higher it goes, the worsened inflation it will be. Why ringgit dropped so badly? To support all these. Ringgit drop export increase (gloves, oil palm, crude oil) then company have more profit. Simple math. if the company make 1USD profit means converted to ringgit it will be more because the currency devalued. Then, the profit goes back to asxx because asxx is the shareholder. In the coming years, you will continue to see the our money continue to drop. If you ask what should we do? Diversify the portfolio to invest in foreign stock/investment. Currency goes strong with productivity. Look at Thailand, VN, TW, their manufacturing/tourism/agro spruce, so you see their economy getting better especially TW, VN, Cambodia in the area of high tech manufacturing due to china tradewar. We can benefit from China tradewar but unfortunately we don't have skill workers. Where are those skill workers? Is our children studying IT/Engineering/Finance? Ini fail belajar ni. Please use paragraphs after a few sentences |
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Dec 20 2019, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 20 2019, 08:12 PM) this is the side effect of stealing money borrowed from somewhere with high interest paid. Many don't understand. Our country is a failure country because mostly waiting windfall from government. they forgotten we need to work hard to get what we wanted. Where are all these asXX monies from? Public listed company dividend and company/business growth so that stock prices moving up. From toll collection, petronas, natural resources and taxes. FDI setup international firms in malaysia so that we have some good work for locals with good pay so that they can spend and spruce the economy. Some even lamented why FD rate so low. The higher it goes, the worsened inflation it will be. Some compared to singapore exhange rate. Do you know SG FD rate is near 0 few years back yet our FD rate is 3-4% at that time? Why ringgit dropped so badly? To support all these. Ringgit drop export increase (gloves, oil palm, crude oil) then company have more profit. Simple math. if the company make 1USD profit means converted to ringgit it will be more because the currency devalued. Then, the profit goes back to asxx because asxx is the shareholder. In the coming years, you will continue to see the our money continue to drop. If you ask what should we do? Diversify the portfolio to invest in foreign stock/investment. Currency goes strong with productivity. Look at Thailand, VN, TW, their manufacturing/tourism/agro spruce, so you see their economy getting better especially TW, VN, Cambodia in the area of high tech manufacturing due to china tradewar. We can benefit from China tradewar but unfortunately we don't have skill workers. Where are those skill workers? Is our children studying IT/Engineering/Finance? Tourism, 16% of TH GDP is from tourism. What we have done to capture the tourism market especially tourist from CN? When the country fails, the one suffering most r the B40. Right now they might be benefitting with all the goodies from govt. |
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Dec 20 2019, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 20 2019, 08:12 PM) this is the side effect of stealing money borrowed from somewhere with high interest paid. Many don't understand. Our country is a failure country because mostly waiting windfall from government. they forgotten we need to work hard to get what we wanted. Where are all these asXX monies from? Public listed company dividend and company/business growth so that stock prices moving up. From toll collection, petronas, natural resources and taxes. FDI setup international firms in malaysia so that we have some good work for locals with good pay so that they can spend and spruce the economy. Some even lamented why FD rate so low. The higher it goes, the worsened inflation it will be. Some compared to singapore exhange rate. Do you know SG FD rate is near 0 few years back yet our FD rate is 3-4% at that time? Why ringgit dropped so badly? To support all these. Ringgit drop export increase (gloves, oil palm, crude oil) then company have more profit. Simple math. if the company make 1USD profit means converted to ringgit it will be more because the currency devalued. Then, the profit goes back to asxx because asxx is the shareholder. In the coming years, you will continue to see the our money continue to drop. If you ask what should we do? Diversify the portfolio to invest in foreign stock/investment. Currency goes strong with productivity. Look at Thailand, VN, TW, their manufacturing/tourism/agro spruce, so you see their economy getting better especially TW, VN, Cambodia in the area of high tech manufacturing due to china tradewar. We can benefit from China tradewar but unfortunately we don't have skill workers. Where are those skill workers? Is our children studying IT/Engineering/Finance? Tourism, 16% of TH GDP is from tourism. What we have done to capture the tourism market especially tourist from CN? Good observation. Root cause is our policy.....and some interested with black shoe than substance .... |
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When PNB has a bad year, does it affect its employees?
what's their bonus? Do they get a pay cut? |
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Dec 21 2019, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(moosset @ Dec 20 2019, 09:46 PM) PNB is doing fine, you need to understand that ASNB and PNB are two different entities |
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A good read: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ither-the-funds
The last few paragraphs are quite interesting. QUOTE Interestingly, PNB’s newly minted CEO in a recent twitter exchange, addressed the issue of lower returns. In one LinkedIn reply, an individual questioned why PNB was explaining its low returns by benchmarking it against fixed deposit rates and the FBM KLCI index. He said that PNB ought to benchmark itself against fund managers who beat the index and that the volatility and unpredictability in the markets are not grounds enough for PNB to show lower returns. He also claimed that PNB fund managers were too cautious and risk averse. In response, Jalil said this: “That would mean taking on additional risks and that would mean you need to be prepared for higher losses. ASB is a fixed price fund that’s meant to give stable rates of return. There is no such thing as higher risks, capital protected and higher returns sitting together, ” he quipped in his reply. Hence, it is likely that lower returns are going to be the norm in the foreseeable future should the markets remain challenging. |
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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 21 2019, 10:28 PM) A good read: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ither-the-funds As long as ASx is not like TH, we should already be thankful.The last few paragraphs are quite interesting. https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/201...rs-told/1710235 This followed a report that Tabung Haji had been illegally paying the “hibah” to its depositors since 2014, which contravened the Tabung Haji Act 1995 as TH had more debts than assets in the previous years. This post has been edited by MGM: Dec 21 2019, 11:59 PM |
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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 20 2019, 08:12 PM) this is the side effect of stealing money borrowed from somewhere with high interest paid. Many don't understand. Our country is a failure country because mostly waiting windfall from government. they forgotten we need to work hard to get what we wanted. Yes. Seems like a lot of companies rely on govt contracts to thrive. the moment new govt freeze some mega projects, cement stocks crashed like hell. Then they buyout them cement companies at low price just before govt resume them mega projects...... In the long run, I believe ringgit can only go down. QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2019, 08:31 PM) When the country fails, the one suffering most r the B40. Right now they might be benefitting with all the goodies from govt. Actually I feel M40 suffer more. B40 probably don't live the lifestyle of M40.QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 21 2019, 08:44 AM) PNB is doing fine, you need to understand that ASNB and PNB are two different entities Ahhhh I never know the bonus came from PNB. I thought retained undistributed profits from previous years.QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 21 2019, 10:28 PM) A good read: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ither-the-funds I agree with PNB. Should the market crash when they make big bets, they're gone.The last few paragraphs are quite interesting. I buy ASM because price is fixed and dividend not lower than promotional FD. If I want high risk high gain, straight I go to KLSE or US market. This post has been edited by beLIEve: Dec 22 2019, 12:16 AM |
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EPF dividend for this FY to be declared next year should also be going down unless there is a miracle in Q4. Q1 and Q3 income reduced a lot vs last year. Q2 slightly less.
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