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post Nov 30 2019, 12:35 AM

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2019 Annual Report for ASM3 is now available here:

http://www.asnb.com.my/pdf/produk/ANNUALRE...R%20ASM%203.pdf

Similar to the 2019 Annual Report for ASW2 posted earlier (in the temporary closed thread in the finance subforum), unit holders can request for full investment portfolio by dropping an email to ASNB.

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This post has been edited by TOS: Nov 30 2019, 12:36 AM
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post Nov 30 2019, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Nov 30 2019, 12:41 AM)
thanks. you're fast. I tried to search last nite, not yet available.
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If you check your email on Earnings Distribution of ASM3, sent by ASNB about a month ago, it is stated (near the end of the email) that the annual report will be released today (30th November 2019).

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Slightly off-topic: ASN Sara 1's (A VP fund) Interim Report is also available from today onward.
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post Dec 1 2019, 10:58 AM

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How likely is it to grab units on Saturdays and Sundays?

Anyone manage to grab any units before during weekends, especially with the implementation of the new non-captcha system?
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:34 AM

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Usually, where are the sources of the units? Most states have their offices (Bank, ASNB Office and Post Office) close on weekends.

So, I assume the units sold come from Johor, Kedah and the East Coast of Peninsula Malaysia?


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post Dec 1 2019, 11:41 AM

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Ok, thanks for the information. Will try my luck today.
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post Dec 1 2019, 05:49 PM

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No. I am not at home for the whole afternoon, so didn't have time to fish for units.

Will try to wake up at 7 tomorrow morning to catch the earliest fish. smile.gif
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post Dec 1 2019, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Dec 1 2019, 07:56 PM)
Sometimes there are leftover units which asnb release the next morning. There used to be people reporting grabbing 30k one shot at 7am
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Yup, I have seen members reporting that in the original thread in the finance subforum. Never tried to fish that early before.
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post Dec 2 2019, 10:17 AM

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Manage to grab units for the first time after the new system (without captcha) is implemented.

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post Dec 3 2019, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(nissan123 @ Dec 3 2019, 10:39 PM)
i thought the limit is 200k per / person per fund ?
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That 200k limit is for ASB funds. No maximum limit on ASM, ASM2 and ASM3 fund holdings.
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post Dec 19 2019, 08:49 AM

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Quite an interesting Q&A sheet. (For ASB)

http://www.pnb.com.my/pdf/MEDIARELEASE/201...0-%20Public.pdf

One question about dividend payout for all ASx FP funds:

If dividend is calculated from 1st of that month to 30/31 of that month, then why is it that so many people spam for units on the first day of each month, more so on the day of dividend payout?

Is it because the first day of that particular month is also the beginning of calculation for the minimum monthly balance, so everyone wants to get as high as possible a minimum monthly balance?

Thanks for the info. Still learning how to calculate dividend payout from ASNB FP funds at this moment.
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post Dec 19 2019, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 19 2019, 09:23 AM)
1. 1st day is a buffer period for distribution calculation that is based on the monthly-minimum balance. That means if you buy units on the 1st of the month, your minimum balance would include said units. e.g. Your current balance is 0 and you bought 5,000 units on the 1st of December, the minimum balance for December is 5,000. If you had bought your units on the 3rd of December, the minimum balance of that month is 0

2. The 1st of the month is also the first day that investors could redeem their units without losing out on the distribution of the previous month

So it is like a "transaction" date between buyers of the units, and sellers of the units. I am assuming that you are not Bumiputra, so you would need to chase the units, buying whatever was sold.
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Ah. Thanks for the info. Yes, non-bumiputera, so have to resort to competition.

Wouldn't it be better if ASNB compound the interest daily instead of on a monthly basis? That would eliminate the sudden surge in demand for units on the beginning of every month, since if compounded daily, one would not lose one whole month's interest simply because one don't get to buy units on the first day of that particular month.

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post Dec 21 2019, 10:28 PM

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A good read: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ither-the-funds

The last few paragraphs are quite interesting.

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Interestingly, PNB’s newly minted CEO in a recent twitter exchange, addressed the issue of lower returns.

In one LinkedIn reply, an individual questioned why PNB was explaining its low returns by benchmarking it against fixed deposit rates and the FBM KLCI index. He said that PNB ought to benchmark itself against fund managers who beat the index and that the volatility and unpredictability in the markets are not grounds enough for PNB to show lower returns. He also claimed that PNB fund managers were too cautious and risk averse. In response, Jalil said this: “That would mean taking on additional risks and that would mean you need to be prepared for higher losses. ASB is a fixed price fund that’s meant to give stable rates of return. There is no such thing as higher risks, capital protected and higher returns sitting together, ” he quipped in his reply.

Hence, it is likely that lower returns are going to be the norm in the foreseeable future should the markets remain challenging.



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post Dec 22 2019, 07:55 AM

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Rebooting PNB: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...1/rebooting-pnb

Forgot to share this yesterday. Didn't know they controlled so many highways (All of them in Klang Valley?).

QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 22 2019, 12:32 AM)
By definition of distribution, thy are not holding or giving away any "profits". Any funds can give away distribution even when the fund is not profitable.

This is why it is important to use the term distribution and not dividend. A company cannot (I am not sure if legally) give away dividend when they are making a loss. SO when you refer the distributions given by ASB/other-UT as dividends, you are implying that the fund size grew over they year. No such thing.
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Thanks for the reminder.
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post Dec 31 2019, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Dec 31 2019, 04:17 PM)
Do nice, how to get
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Ya, me too. Never receive anything from them before.

PNB-related news: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...lil-as-director

KLCI bled a lot today...

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post Jan 2 2020, 05:53 PM

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In view of the rising usage of e-wallets and the impending e Tunai Rakyat initiative, I emailed EPF and ASNB a few days ago to request for acceptance of e-wallet payments for contribution and subscriptions of units (in particular, Fixed price funds).

Both GLIC replied me today and they have forwarded my request to the relevant department. Hopefully you can buy units using your e-wallet soon.

Next step should be digital/virtual banking. (Razer, Singtel+Grab are now competing for licenses from MAS.)
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Jan 2 2020, 07:27 PM)
Thanks. Actually EPF already can wire in direct, why ewallet? To spend and earn rewards?

ASN already accept debit card (I wonder if bigpay works) but must go to their office. They should make debit or even credit card available in FPX. Extra credit card charges is going to cost us dividend though.
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I want to take advantage of the 30 ringgit e Tunai Rakyat incentive. smile.gif (I will top-up the rest for ASNB contributions, since minimum 100 ringgit for myASNB online investment.)

The incentive will expire after 14 March 2020, if you don't use it. (Government force people to spend money to improve economy. rolleyes.gif) I thought that it would be a better idea for investors like us to use that money for our own future instead. So, I emailed them with the hope that they will be able to accept e-wallet payments as soon as possible.

Off-topic: One thing I don't like about e-wallet is they "force" people to spend and only allow transactions from banks, not the other way round. Apparently, I can withdraw money from my bank account and keep it in my own (physical) wallet, I should be able to deposit money in my wallet to my bank account. It has to be 2-way. One can only hope for virtual banks to come...

If I can transfer money from e-wallet to my bank account, then I can buy ASNB FP fund units and contribute to my EPF from there, no need to write any emails to the authorities at all.
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Jan 2 2020, 11:05 PM)
Boost and bigpay can. Touch and go cannot. I don't use other ewallet, so I don't know.
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Jan 3 2020, 11:54 AM)
Both has option to transfer to bank.

Bigpay can go ATM to withdraw. Check out the Bigpay first post for do's and don'ts. basically, there are some banks that you should not use your bigpay card on.
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@ BeLIEve Bigpay is not one of the service providers under the e Tunai rakyat. As for Boost, I considered that before, but according to

https://support.myboost.com.my/hc/en-us/art...y-bank-account-

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Boost will charge a fee to customers who transfer out money from their Boost wallet to their bank account of choice with a 2% fee, up to a maximum of RM2 fee for each transfer out request. The charges will be paid by deducting from the Boost available balance.


Well, I have never paid my (physical) wallet a single cent when I take coins and notes out of it. Not worth it. Transfer 30 ringgit back to bank and 2% is gone. (Buying an FSM UT only deducts 1.75% off my principal, and buying ASNB FP units from agent counters only mean a 0.35% back-end agent fee deducted).

(Feel free to continue the discussion in the Boost or other e-wallet thread here.)


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Thanks Believe.

QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 6 2020, 05:14 PM)
A lot of Bumiputras will say otherwise. But when i ask which other investments that they invest in that gives as good a return and as low a risk, they answer: <silence>

laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  And then they ask for more help and demand why the government doesn't help them. ASNB is the help, but damn, talk about blind or deaf, or stupid  whistling.gif
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So, do you think that the NEP had failed? (We know, for one, the 30% bumiputera equity share ownership goal has failed).

Based on what I read from the book In Trust: A History of PNB, ASNB (together with PNB and Yayasan Pelaburan Bumiputera) was one of the crux of the NEP, doubted one of the largest social engineering project ever done in Malaysia (claimed by CIA).
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 7 2020, 09:00 AM)
Can you elaborate on the equity share ownership goal failing? Want to hear your thoughts on that
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The NEP was meant to assist the bumiputera through social engineering projects like the formation of unit trusts to preserve wealth for the bumis through the formation of YPB (and subsequently PNB and its units trust company, ASNB).

Since you said "then they ask for more help and demand why the government doesn't help them", I was wondering what are you thoughts on the success of NEP.

Of course there are quantitative indicators like the 30% equity ownership scheme, the reduction in poverty rate among the bumis etc. (The numbers speak for themselves. Some targets are achieved, i.e. success, some targets failed.)

Various online sources can be referred for one to know more about the 30% target. (The wikipedia article about NEP mentions about the 30% target.) It used to be (and has been) a political issue for quite some time (unfortunately). I am not going into politics here.

What I am interested to know is, judged from a more subjective perspective, say from your experience dealing with bumi customers, are they more financially literate since the NEP was launched? Or they are still expecting help from...?

One personal observation, not meant to offend anyone, if you walk into the ASNB branch office (at least the branch near to where I live), chances are you will see one group of people holding a blue slip, and another group of people holding a red slip. They are many who still treat ASNB like bank accounts, not investment products, and this is despite efforts by ASNB to promote the power of compounding interest etc. through leaflets, TV advertisement in the branch office. You know what I mean.

I rarely buy units through branch office these days, but whenever I visit there, that's a chilling scenario that appears in front of me.

So, I am interested to know your thoughts on the success/effectiveness of NEP. (I presume you are a bumiputera.)

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 7 2020, 03:58 PM)
Now, I would not be a good source for some of the answers. As a consultant, about 60% of my customers are Malays. These Malays are mostly in the white-collar industries; they understand the important of wealth accumulation and preservation, so they meet me for consultations - both paid as well as commission-based

In my personal views which may be biased due to the non-normal distributions of my clients, NEP has worked wonders; without which plenty of Malays would have been prevented from partaking in the country's economy. As you know, most Malays live in the villages, had their children and grandchildren remain there they would continue to become formers or any village-based employments. The Chinese community migrated to Tanah Melayu with a different mindset that is to make something for themselves; they are more studious and focussed to get what they want in life. These mentalities are yet to be ingrained in the Malay community as a whole

It may not seem fair, but due to the differences between the two cultures, it is a given that the Malays would be unable to compete unless given a hand to out-Malay themselves. Have you noticed that most white-collar, professional Malays are generally very different than the rest of the Malays? I am referring to their openness to accept something that is different what they have been led to believe, their acceptance that at some point we need to accept merit-based appointments as opposed to clinging to "hak Melayu"? But did you know that these professional, white-collar Malays that we are discussing have benefited from NEP?

Their parents and themselves may have benefited from these policies, such as those through MARA - UiTM & MRSM. The ones that turned out well after coming through these systems realize that these affirmative-actions will not remain forever and have continued to better themselves.

Had there not been any NEP, it would not be impossible for Malaysia to turn into Singapore, where Malays make up the majority of the labor forces and are excluded from the nation's economic activities. It may be good for Malaysia, but I would have none of it, not yet at least. It will take a few more decades for more Malays to change, if it will. If you ask a Chinese couple to raise a Malay child, he would turn out as successful, studious, academically-oriented as any Chinese or as his siblings - only that he would look-like a Malay.

The NEP is there to change out-Malay the Malays, perhaps it is misled, perhaps it is honorable. But when I was in Singapore for my business calls to meet my clients, kesian looking at the situations the Malays are in there - janitors, cleaners, fastfood employees are almost exclusively Malays. There are exceptions, but hey, I am an exception. What good are exceptions, Malays need to rise as a people too.

These are only my personal views though, and nothing that any of us here say would change the politically-biased economic landscape of the country.
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Thanks for sharing your view. Well said.


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