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lotus handling proton is really that good?
lotus handling proton is really that good?
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Nov 12 2019, 08:15 AM
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Myvi > proton
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Nov 12 2019, 08:15 AM
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True
Even maibi handling better |
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Nov 12 2019, 08:18 AM
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Toyota handling |
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Nov 12 2019, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE(anakMY @ Nov 11 2019, 09:36 PM) Before corner I will let go fuel paddle, let it cruise on 70-60kmh, just nice. doesnt feel floating. u should accelerate at corner for both car at same speed. then u will know which car will have "buang" feelingwhat speed u hantam corner? u must be driving aggresively. |
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Nov 12 2019, 08:39 AM
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Nov 12 2019, 08:57 AM
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myvi and vios is designed for city driving , if u wanna use it for rally... pandai pandai lah
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Nov 12 2019, 09:18 AM
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Ori satria gti not bad the handling.
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Nov 12 2019, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(BluePants @ Nov 11 2019, 08:28 PM) I think best handling proton to is Gen2, but ride is like shit. Driving fiesta daily, i feel its to lively sometimes for relaxing cruise on highway. Proto does better for relaxing higway cruise.But even the best proton cannot match a basic Ford Fiesta which handles better and rides better. Fiesta feels good at high speed, but the steering just to lively. |
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Nov 12 2019, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Nov 12 2019, 12:26 AM) I think on day to day driving, most cars will feel similar with softer sprung car feeling more superior as most city roads are bumpy and rough, having a smoother ride makes you feel that you are more in control. Which is why Inspira is best Proton ever! However, try driving up/down places like genting and Cameron that have sharp and continuous corners. That's when you can tell what car feels easier to control. Gotta agree that IAFM is dogshit and campro is very rough. Most Protons have a very comfy yet firm ride but the noisy campro just ruins everything. My own 1st gen persona is free of most creaks/rattles but the noise and vibration at higher speed /rpm from the engine is just terrible. Very quiet and comfy ride under 100kmh / 3krpm though, I would say it is even more comfortable than the latest myvi on rougher roads. The 4AT is also smoother than stupid punch CVT for daily usage, no stupid clutch causing delays and jerks. |
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Nov 12 2019, 09:53 AM
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Nov 12 2019, 09:56 AM
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QUOTE(lagista @ Nov 12 2019, 09:53 AM) I was surprised to see that... Then i noticed the date it's from 6 years ago. lel nowadays where got sell preve and suprima s anymore :lel: Cukur tongsan sudah takeover ploton. Geely ke arah kuasa besar Malaysia!! #80ksalesforthefirst10months |
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Nov 12 2019, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(anakMY @ Nov 11 2019, 08:24 PM) In my opinion, lotus handling in proton is overrated. The test you did (90-100 km/h B road and 60-80 km/h high angle bends) are too slow to see the difference. You are right about the Campro IAFM. The car is let down by the engine but I can say if you drive on highway, you can pedal to metal all the way until the highway exit (usually a quarter oval corner). It can drive 180 km/h without letting off the throttle, even at highway bends. As for B road, the difference is even more. 60-80km/h is not enough to see the difference. Try faster.Ppl has been talking bout how good proton cars handling is. The fact is that, I own a 1st gen persona, drove it for 6 years. lately I started driving vios 2nd gen, drove it at sub urban kampung roads, speed maintain bout 90-100km/h, I do not feel that much of a difference between the handling of both. It might be that I do corners at speed of 60-80kmh depends on the angulation of the corners, is it consider slow? Both car handles quite well for me. In terms of pricing, a vios high spec is almost double the price of a persona, The vios is a much refined car -the engine is powerful and reliable -transmission does not gv much problems too -the interior is much refined compared to protons -the steering feel is pretty good In general, persona isnt that bad either, for almost half of the price of a vios. Its also reliable, it just lack that refinement, -fuel hungry and less powerful campro but reliable -4at is also a reliable transmission. -IAFM will gv prob after driving 100-200k The strength of this car is at the midway of a corner. You can accelerate much earlier than the Vios and gain a lot more speed out of corner. The corner entry is not so good because the front of the car is heavy and long (modern cars are shorter). And it understeers more than Gen 2. But it's predictable one you get a hang of it. The steering helps a lot in feeling the traction, which modern cars nowadays lacking due to EPS. I had a Persona Elegance which I regretably sold it away looking for "upgrades". It was an upgrade in a sense (safety, refinement, better engine and drivetrain etc), except the ride and handling. And mind you, the Persona Elegance /IAFM was the "worst" Proton sedan with multi-link rear suspension. The fact is, no B segment nowadays below RM100k can match it, except the Ford Fiesta, Suzuki Swift and Mazda 2 (close). |
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Nov 12 2019, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(anakMY @ Nov 11 2019, 08:24 PM) In my opinion, lotus handling in proton is overrated. if you cant tell the difference between vios handling and persona handling, the problem is you are probably not much of an avid driver. you are lucky coz you can buy a vios and be happy with the way it handles.Ppl has been talking bout how good proton cars handling is. The fact is that, I own a 1st gen persona, drove it for 6 years. lately I started driving vios 2nd gen, drove it at sub urban kampung roads, speed maintain bout 90-100km/h, I do not feel that much of a difference between the handling of both. It might be that I do corners at speed of 60-80kmh depends on the angulation of the corners, is it consider slow? Both car handles quite well for me. In terms of pricing, a vios high spec is almost double the price of a persona, The vios is a much refined car -the engine is powerful and reliable -transmission does not gv much problems too -the interior is much refined compared to protons -the steering feel is pretty good In general, persona isnt that bad either, for almost half of the price of a vios. Its also reliable, it just lack that refinement, -fuel hungry and less powerful campro but reliable -4at is also a reliable transmission. -IAFM will gv prob after driving 100-200k |
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Nov 12 2019, 10:07 AM
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Nov 12 2019, 10:10 AM
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i owned inspira with "lotus handling"
they just simply change suspension to make it more comfort than original lancer |
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Nov 12 2019, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Nov 12 2019, 10:02 AM) The test you did (90-100 km/h B road and 60-80 km/h high angle bends) are too slow to see the difference. You are right about the Campro IAFM. The car is let down by the engine but I can say if you drive on highway, you can pedal to metal all the way until the highway exit (usually a quarter oval corner). It can drive 180 km/h without letting off the throttle, even at highway bends. As for B road, the difference is even more. 60-80km/h is not enough to see the difference. Try faster. But I don’t dare to push it further man, that’s not my style lol, dangerous wei hantam corners with high speed.The strength of this car is at the midway of a corner. You can accelerate much earlier than the Vios and gain a lot more speed out of corner. The corner entry is not so good because the front of the car is heavy and long (modern cars are shorter). And it understeers more than Gen 2. But it's predictable one you get a hang of it. The steering helps a lot in feeling the traction, which modern cars nowadays lacking due to EPS. I had a Persona Elegance which I regretably sold it away looking for "upgrades". It was an upgrade in a sense (safety, refinement, better engine and drivetrain etc), except the ride and handling. And mind you, the Persona Elegance /IAFM was the "worst" Proton sedan with multi-link rear suspension. The fact is, no B segment nowadays below RM100k can match it, except the Ford Fiesta, Suzuki Swift and Mazda 2 (close). |
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Nov 12 2019, 10:13 AM
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Nov 12 2019, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Nov 12 2019, 10:04 AM) if you cant tell the difference between vios handling and persona handling, the problem is you are probably not much of an avid driver. you are lucky coz you can buy a vios and be happy with the way it handles. Proton should focus more on other places not only in handling. I don’t think they hv tech to do any improvement on the engine and transmission though. How many years has past thy r still using the campro... without much improvements. |
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Nov 12 2019, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(anakMY @ Nov 12 2019, 10:14 AM) Proton should focus more on other places not only in handling. I don’t think they hv tech to do any improvement on the engine and transmission though. How many years has past thy r still using the campro... without much improvements. You are right. The strategy was wrong. For a car in that segment, most people can't tell the difference in handling, until they tested it. Ride and handling is not something that can be quantified, other than lap time. But buyers in that segment don't see that. They only see fuel consumption, bhp, torque etc, where Proton was lacking in all these. People saw this already not walking into the showroom. How to convince people? |
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Nov 12 2019, 10:53 AM
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kecian.
no matter how hard proton market the lotus handling, it still does not appear in the game Gran Turismo. Even Suzuki swift sport appeared with 5.3 handling capability out of 10. so protoners must be dreaming only. |
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