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woodentiger86
post Nov 15 2019, 04:16 PM

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Thanks for the sharing bro. Interesting indeed. thumbsup.gif

I too, own a 1.5 AV. Actually pick up ain't too bad to be honest. laugh.gif So far it's pretty decent when I kick down. I turn off eco-idle mode btw [not sure if it has any significant impact on the acceleration].

Car is ok at speed just that at very high speeds it doesn't feel planted and stable especially when the roads have undulations.
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post Nov 15 2019, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(nickchk89 @ Nov 15 2019, 04:04 PM)
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post Nov 15 2019, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(Jiao2 Itchy @ Nov 15 2019, 04:08 PM)
I own Iriz 1.3 CVT and Myvi Gen3 1.5 4AT...

The only thing i like about my Myvi is :
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The things i like about my Iriz is:
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part 2:
forgot to add:
in terms of car servicing. Perodua SC are miles ahead of Proton..
I can take half a day just to do basic servicing(engine oil, oil filter, gasket) for a Proton.. If you do anything more than a basic servicing, conlanfirm they will take one whole day to service your car.. I always appointment at 8am to service my Iriz. basic service only will complete at around 12pm.. or if i ask them check or do something else, kaotim at 4/5pm.. SMH proton SC are dreadful..

ok on to some general points about either Myvi/Iriz based on my personal experience:
- both cars got plastic rattling problems. but my Iriz after driven/abused for 4 years the rattling somehow gone away dy, i also terkejut.. my myvi still under 1 year old only, so the rattling sound still there since day one i got it.. hopefully it will go away after some more abuse too.. laugh.gif

- Myvi paint quality is seriously BAD. stone chips can/will expose the metal body of the car.. like it only has 1 layer of paint. my iriz kena stone chips will only reveal the other layer of paint that is white/cream-coloured.. this one pisses me off so much.. because of this i can see some rusting on my car just because of fking stone chips..

- Myvi ASA is pretty decent to have. Better safety la kan.. Although sometimes it prematurely detects that im not braking enough but still no complaints. better have it than not have it..

- I mentioned before, but im gonna mention it again.. Myvi is an expensive car to maintain yo.. from the way higher prices when sending in for maintenance at SC compared to Proton, to having to use more expensive battery, or god forbid your led headlamps fused.. rolleyes.gif

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post Nov 15 2019, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(woodentiger86 @ Nov 15 2019, 04:16 PM)
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Thanks for the sharing bro. Interesting indeed.  thumbsup.gif

I too, own a 1.5 AV. Actually pick up ain't too bad to be honest. laugh.gif So far it's pretty decent when I kick down. I turn off eco-idle mode btw [not sure if it has any significant impact on the acceleration].
Car is ok at speed just that at very high speeds it doesn't feel planted and stable especially when the roads have undulations.
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pick up from stand still is ok.. what i meant mostly is like when i wanna switch lanes and overtake cars.. its quite sluggish in that regards.. say for example im in middle lane and i wanna overtake the car in front of me by going to right lane and speeding away after that..

i also dont use eco-idle at all. its my no1 thing to do after starting the car, turning off that fucking eco-idle. Never used it not even once in my almost 1 year owning this Myvi. i wish i can perma off it.. doh.gif

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Car is ok at speed just that at very high speeds it doesn't feel planted and stable especially when the roads have undulations.


i find it stable at high speeds, its acceptable.. i can easily drive at 140 and the car/steering doesn't shake/wobble.. basically driving both my Myvi and Iriz at 140km/h still gives me confidence in the car la.. So thats a good thing for this new myvi..
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post Nov 15 2019, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(nickchk89 @ Nov 15 2019, 11:27 AM)
lotus handling

what do proton do to make it handle like lotus?

hardware wise? share the same suspension set up like lotus exige? elise?

different absorber? arm? extra stabiliser?
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iinm i think i saw a video they promote regarding lotus handling. Lotus handling effectively has difference in their suspension set up, other than that i dono
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post Nov 15 2019, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(Jiao2 Itchy @ Nov 15 2019, 04:31 PM)
pick up from stand still is ok.. what i meant mostly is like when i wanna switch lanes and overtake cars.. its quite sluggish in that regards.. say for example im in middle lane and i wanna overtake the car in front of me by going to right lane and speeding away after that..

i also dont use eco-idle at all. its my no1 thing to do after starting the car, turning off that fucking eco-idle. Never used it not even once in my almost 1 year owning this Myvi. i wish i can perma off it..  doh.gif
i find it stable at high speeds, its acceptable.. i can easily drive at 140 and the car/steering doesn't shake/wobble.. basically driving both my Myvi and Iriz at 140km/h still gives me confidence in the car la.. So thats a good thing for this new myvi..
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Haha, not from stand-still. So far only once I had issue joining traffic [merging lanes] when the pickup felt sluggish. Other than that, I doubt it's got anything to do with the fuel used [95/97]. Thankfully my ride felt decent la on LDP whenever I kickdown to overtake slower cars.

Yea, same thing here. First thing I do when get in is depress that 'A' logo too. Hahaha. laugh.gif

Oh, for me, it was wobbly when I was already about 160-170 trying to overtake a few cars at once cos I wanted to give way to a faster moving Benz behind me on Elite.. plus there was a big lorry on the middle lane then... likely the air pocket then when I drove past. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 15 2019, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Jiao2 Itchy @ Nov 15 2019, 04:31 PM)

i also dont use eco-idle at all. its my no1 thing to do after starting the car, turning off that fucking eco-idle. Never used it not even once in my almost 1 year owning this Myvi. i wish i can perma off it..  doh.gif

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Myvi group in FB got share how to perma off it before... need to find in the group
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post Nov 15 2019, 05:27 PM

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my usual car was a satria neo. masuk corner high speed very confident no problem. one time i drive lexus suv, my stupid brain also masuk corner same speed as neo, then the car berpusing liao.
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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Nov 15 2019, 03:49 PM)
yeah, campro really minum minyak like 3 litre engine during higher rpm. im guessing that the engine is working very very hard to power the heavy chassis.

that's why not many persona/iriz/saga/exora/preve cruise at high speed, always bawak around 110-130kmh only. meanwhile axia/myvi/city/vios tailgating at 140kmh without worrying much about fc.
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Heavy body, cacat gearbox plus lower horsepower what makes proton drink fuel like no tomorrow.

Persona/waja and gen2 I see a lot of people drive fast. Dunno what they want to prove. If they can go faster, other car such as honda city & vw vento can go way faster. P1 driver forgot if got 107hp, it will not make their car got 170hp if press accelerator hard. Lel.
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QUOTE(woodentiger86 @ Nov 15 2019, 05:18 PM)
Haha, not from stand-still. So far only once I had issue joining traffic [merging lanes] when the pickup felt sluggish. Other than that, I doubt it's got anything to do with the fuel used [95/97]. Thankfully my ride felt decent la on LDP whenever I kickdown to overtake slower cars.

Yea, same thing here. First thing I do when get in is depress that 'A' logo too. Hahaha. laugh.gif

Oh, for me, it was wobbly when I was already about 160-170 trying to overtake a few cars at once cos I wanted to give way to a faster moving Benz behind me on Elite.. plus there was a big lorry on the middle lane then... likely the air pocket then when I drove past. biggrin.gif
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If merc/bmw come from behind, u no need to worry. They can brake in time. If myvi/viva/gen2, then u need to worry more. Merc/bmw can brake instantly from 180kmh down to 110kmh.

Last time I follow gen 2 from far, maybe driver speed way too fast, almost cant brake in time when lorry turn right. Location at perak plus highway, 2 roads. Gen2 owner tot he drive conti car. Lel.
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post Nov 15 2019, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(DM52 @ Nov 15 2019, 02:42 PM)
What makes lotus so planted on high speed eventhough got very light kerb weight?. I read it is so low as low as go kart car and got downforce?. What is the downforce here?. Normal car dont have downforce?
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Lotus generally is planted in cornering, may or may not be planted in high speed straight line as some other cars designed for high speeds (say maybe the Civic type R with it's ricer looking amount of aero parts)

Dares mentioned (low) center of gravity then there's suspensions, and everything of that working together.

Down force essentially is weight.
Wind pushing down on the car, creates additional "weight"
Pros and cons, and not accounting for badly applied aero causing them to act as sails instead of providing down force.

Then there's air drag, slowing your car/increasing fuel consumption.

Very complex stuffs laugh.gif
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post Nov 15 2019, 06:38 PM

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just drive a satria neo

then you will understand what lotus handling means.
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post Nov 15 2019, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 15 2019, 06:31 PM)
Lotus generally is planted in cornering, may or may not be planted in high speed straight line as some other cars designed for high speeds (say maybe the Civic type R with it's ricer looking amount of aero parts)

Dares mentioned (low) center of gravity then there's suspensions, and everything of that working together.

Down force essentially is weight.
Wind pushing down on the car, creates additional "weight"
Pros and cons, and not accounting for badly applied aero causing them to act as sails instead of providing down force.

Then there's air drag, slowing your car/increasing fuel consumption.

Very complex stuffs laugh.gif
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IMO, for low power cars like Persona and Vios that is used for daily driving, aero kits has more cons than pros.

They can't often go fast enough that aero can generate enough downforce, so 90% of the time they are just generating additional drag. For these cars better to focus on improving mechanical grip than aero grip.

Deswai I laugh at those Bezzas with giant GT wings. Maybe if they go fast enough their buntut will become less tonggek as the wind pushes it down. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(DM52 @ Nov 15 2019, 05:36 PM)
Heavy body, cacat gearbox plus lower horsepower what makes proton drink fuel like no tomorrow.

Persona/waja and gen2 I see a lot of people drive fast. Dunno what they want to prove. If they can go faster, other car such as honda city & vw vento can go way faster. P1 driver forgot if got 107hp, it will not make their car got 170hp if press accelerator hard. Lel.
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let them la, why u so tercalar lel

many vios speeding above speed limit also, even though only 100+ hp


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post Nov 15 2019, 06:55 PM

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yes gooding p1 best selling cars during 80s from jepunis misubishi a6m jero tech. later enhance by england lotus. now even caina wan.
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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 15 2019, 06:40 PM)
IMO, for low power cars like Persona and Vios that is used for daily driving, aero kits has more cons than pros.

They can't often go fast enough that aero can generate enough downforce, so 90% of the time they are just generating additional drag. For these cars better to focus on improving mechanical grip than aero grip.

Deswai I laugh at those Bezzas with giant GT wings. Maybe if they go fast enough their buntut will become less tonggek as the wind pushes it down.  tongue.gif
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That's why I'm never bothered about Aero lol
Too slow to utilize laugh.gif
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QUOTE(popopi @ Nov 15 2019, 02:06 PM)
I drive the Vios Dugong for 8++ years..

The car in highway can go 150kmh on the speedometer... no problem, can maintain that speed ok, so far 8+ years the car still can do this speed..

corner is a big no no.. the electric power steering is like playing broken daytona arcade game.. no feedback and poor...

Addon- I did test on persona and gen2... the handling as in cornering feel and steering feedback is much better then Vios... So, yea... but those 2 car, drink petrol like no tomorrow when u hit 130kmh and over...
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I used to drive 160 with the first gen vios. Once corner at 120km/h, carcae skidded like no tmr. Thank god I'm still alive. Once accident masuk longkang from heavy cornering too

Vios handling is memang lapsap compared to persona but fc wise OK la. Its not that bad. I'm getting around 500km per tank n I'm not light footer

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