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davidletterboyz
post Nov 12 2019, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(anakMY @ Nov 11 2019, 08:24 PM)
In my opinion, lotus handling in proton is overrated.

Ppl has been talking bout how good proton cars handling is.

The fact is that, I own a 1st gen persona, drove it for 6 years.

lately I started driving vios 2nd gen, drove it at sub urban kampung roads, speed maintain bout 90-100km/h,

I do not feel that much of a difference between the handling of both.

It might be that I do corners at speed of 60-80kmh depends on the angulation of the corners, is it consider slow? Both car handles quite well for me.

In terms of pricing, a vios high spec is almost double the price of a persona,

The vios is a much refined car
-the engine is powerful and reliable
-transmission does not gv much problems too
-the interior is much refined compared to protons
-the steering feel is pretty good

In general, persona isnt that bad either, for almost half of the price of a vios. Its also reliable, it just lack that refinement,
-fuel hungry and less powerful campro but reliable
-4at is also a reliable transmission.
-IAFM will gv prob after driving 100-200k
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The test you did (90-100 km/h B road and 60-80 km/h high angle bends) are too slow to see the difference. You are right about the Campro IAFM. The car is let down by the engine but I can say if you drive on highway, you can pedal to metal all the way until the highway exit (usually a quarter oval corner). It can drive 180 km/h without letting off the throttle, even at highway bends. As for B road, the difference is even more. 60-80km/h is not enough to see the difference. Try faster.

The strength of this car is at the midway of a corner. You can accelerate much earlier than the Vios and gain a lot more speed out of corner. The corner entry is not so good because the front of the car is heavy and long (modern cars are shorter). And it understeers more than Gen 2. But it's predictable one you get a hang of it. The steering helps a lot in feeling the traction, which modern cars nowadays lacking due to EPS.

I had a Persona Elegance which I regretably sold it away looking for "upgrades". It was an upgrade in a sense (safety, refinement, better engine and drivetrain etc), except the ride and handling. And mind you, the Persona Elegance /IAFM was the "worst" Proton sedan with multi-link rear suspension. The fact is, no B segment nowadays below RM100k can match it, except the Ford Fiesta, Suzuki Swift and Mazda 2 (close).
davidletterboyz
post Nov 12 2019, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(anakMY @ Nov 12 2019, 10:14 AM)
Proton should focus more on other places not only in handling. I don’t think they hv tech to do any improvement on the engine and transmission though. How many years has past thy r still using the campro... without much improvements.
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You are right. The strategy was wrong. For a car in that segment, most people can't tell the difference in handling, until they tested it. Ride and handling is not something that can be quantified, other than lap time. But buyers in that segment don't see that. They only see fuel consumption, bhp, torque etc, where Proton was lacking in all these. People saw this already not walking into the showroom. How to convince people? sweat.gif

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