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When your FIL was rich, he gifted a house to his 1st wife and a condo to his mistress. Then he left them behind or "divorced" them and legally married your MIL. Even though the mentioned properties are under his name, they do not rightfully belong to him. So, your FIL is now not rich in assets.

Your FIL had bought the condo with his own money (not with your MIL's money) and the condo ended up as their last matrimonial home, even though the condo title is under your MIL's name. Your FIL putting the condo title under your MIL's name is like appointing someone as your representative, proxy, power-of-attorney, executor, agent, etc.
....... Your FIL feels he has the right to take cash out from the condo for him to buy the birth-surname-right from his daughter from Team B, eg by "selling" or "bequeathing" it to his daughter from Team A for a RM400k mortgage, ie RM300k to buy the birth-surname-right and RM100k to renovate the condo.

To your FIL, the birth-surname-right is very important. Didn't your FIL and your wife had a big fight with you over the birth-surname-right of your son which eventually led to your divorce 5 years ago.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 10 2019, 10:40 AM

There won't be a court case. He contacted me yesterday to negotiate an out of court settlement.

Important indeed it is to him but it turns out he isn't getting it this time either.

The other grandparents objected to the baby using the mother's surname.

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In that case, please keep us updated on the negotiations for the out-of-court settlement in your FIL vs MIL divorce court case.

My suggestion is a 70:30 division from the sale of the condo, with 70% going to your MIL since her financial needs for retirement and singlehood will be greater and your FIL no longer needs RM300k to buy the birth-surname-right from his Team B. This should be a win-win settlement/agreement.

Your FIL can still raise cash by selling his 1st-wife's house and downgrading to a lesser matrimonial house or apartment.

Any chance for a reconciliation between your MIL and FIL.?

Good day.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 11 2019, 01:49 PM

Take everything and dont look back.

Reconciliation between him and her?? Not a chance. She said she gave him enough chances and she won't put up with that kind of disloyalty and infidelity again. Also abandonment the day he moved to the ex-wife's house. I can understand how she feels.

The house? He won't be allowed to sell it as he made a deal with his ex-wife to put her name on the title in exchange for her life savings to pay off the MIL. Also does appear he has some "face" issues living in a house at a "lesser" neighborhood.

70:30?? Not a chance. My wife and me have decided MIL will live with us. Wife said as the eldest daughter she is duty-bound to look after her mum. She won't have much financial needs as we will take care of her. FIL said unlike the 2 ungrateful daughters he has with the MIL, his 3 daughters with the ex-wife has agreed to take care of him unconditionally and will look after all his financial needs.

Earlier I went with him to take a look at the condo. It turns out it was a smaller unit than we had thought. Worth around RM520,000 though unlikely to sell at that price in its current state, said it was being rented out by his former mistress who uses it to fund the daughter. Claims he tried to sell it for RM500,000 2 years ago but had no takers. He said in the event it sells he does need to give that daughter some of the money as she is just only finishing her A Levels.

We sat to negotiate. He said he wanted a FAST divorce and by fast he meant before year end or by latest before the eve of CNY. Said he wanted to be rid of the bitch and devil by then as he couldn't tolerate all 3 of them. He did not want it to go to court and said because he was offering an out of court settlement that means he wasn't contributing towards any legal fees we had incurred. He said he was willing to offer RM130,000 to walkaway, she keeps her condo, she doesn't make any further claims on him and doesn't ask him for any alimony. I told him it needs to be closer to 50% and MIL is under the impression that condo has a value of RM630,000 and she was banking of at least RM300,000. He said he could not raise that type of money. I told him to think like how my MIL would think, he has known her inside out for more than 40 years, he should know her character extremely well. He asked if we could agree that the condo was worth RM480,000 to which I agreed. He offered a RM210,000 and said it is how much his ex-wife was willing to loan him and that was her entire lifetime savings.

I told MIL, she said better to get rid of the useless man while he still had some money to give and asked me to agree to it. I told him MIL agreed to his settlement and he asked me to get our lawyer to sort it out ASAP and to express it. Told me he was going to put a big notice in the newspaper that he is disowning the 2 daughters. I told him he better save the money for his new grandson and to not burn any bridges till it is beyond repair. I asked him when he planned to pay as MIL won't sign anything till she is paid. He said he would pay our lawyer the full amount tomorrow and she can touch it after everything is finalized.

He was in fairly good spirits over the whole thing, a far cry from the angry man he was on Thursday. He said it was difficult not to feel like he been cheated 40 years and she never gave him a son yet want to steal so much of his money. Asked him what were his plans for the future, he said he had no plans.

MIL was mostly quiet when I told her the outcome. However she said after putting up with his emotional abuses for 40 years she was ready to move on. She asked me to get her Nissan X-Trail repaired and then to sell it. She then said the condo also must be sold. She said other than her 2 daughters, she didn't anything that she had together with him. Said she will buy a cheaper car and when the condo sells, she would co-buy 2 properties with her 2 daughters.

A good deal indeed. Not only keep the condo but also have cashback !

A loser is always a loser ... his sperm cannot even create a son.

A winner is always a winner ... her eggs are strong to defend any 'attack'.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Nov 12 2019, 07:40 AM

And your mil plan to kick your fil out of the house penniless once they divorce? That's cruel.

Whatever outcome from a divorce is NEVER a happy ending when $ is in between.

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Your MIL got a good out-of-court divorce settlement from her "generous" and legally-ignorant(wrt divorce laws) ex-husband/your-ex-FIL, ie get to keep the condo and RM210k cash payout = the end of this /k drama.

Will your MIL be truly happy that she has won the condo but "lost" her husband to the 1st-wife.?

Will you be happy living with your MIL.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 12 2019, 10:31 AM

Money > Ex Husband

BillCollector

Since you are a Christian, do you know why Sarah and Abraham were barren or infertile.? = because Abraham ignorantly married his half-sister, Sarah = barrenness was a curse from God for his sin of incest.

So, the reason why your FIL and his 3 "wives" could not bear any son is likely along a similar kind of sin, eg maybe your FIL or his forefather was a playboy during his heyday as a rich young bachelor, ie he played out many gullible and naive girls and left them broken-hearted = the curse of God for his sin was to bear only daughters and see them being played out by evil/bad boys = the law of ni4ni.

1COR.11:30-32 (NKJV) = 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

ROMANS.7:7 = 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law.

Good day.

It isn't the first time she is living with us. Also this isn't the first time we were dealing with a divorce between him and her only difference was in previous times she willingly went back to him and it was mostly a cold war. There was a time both her and the SIL also came to live with us as she wanted out of the marriage. Either it was monetary issues or the existence of another woman. I used to view it as an extra free maid and used to order her around to cook all the stuff wife liked and enjoyed eating, favorite among which was to buy bird's nest with feathers still attached to it and get her to pluck the feathers away She actually isn't a bad or unreasonable person unless you get on her wrong side.

Myself? My wife wants her, our children are happy their grandma has come to live with them and I'm happy if they are happy. I've known it for a long time that someday it would come to it that this could happen or it could be a case that both her parents came to live with us.

MIL is not happy her husband left her for the 1st wife. Previously it was always the case my wife and SIL told their mother let the father be and if he wanted the condo they were living in then let him take it too. This time round all 3 of them were all out to rip him apart because that other woman was the 1 woman MIL said he must never go near. However they are happy to get something and she is equally happy it won't drag on.

He knew what was in it for him I suppose? He wasn't ignorant he knew all along what he stood to lose. He paid the entire amount today to the lawyer and went to the lawyer's office to sign on all the papers.

Oh well he only has himself to blame for not having any sons. Was very curious how come they did not have a string of children since he was so eager for a son, turns out MIL used to tell him to come home as it was her "time" he would come home 2 or 3 in the morning drunk and would tell her no women was allowed to tell him what to do.

In this case as much as I don't like to monetize relationships, it is definitely true.

Going by this logic I won't be having any children because just before she was pregnant with our 1st I was playing with one German girl. In fact if she did not get pregnant I would have gone for that German.

For our 2nd, was secretly playing with one Aussie woman. I was secretly planning my exit strategy then, was going to leave her to be with that Aussie.

FIL should have married the 1st wife. She is the one who really loves him.

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The difference is that you, even though a sexually immoral person, likely did not leave the German and Aussie girls broken-hearted because since the 1960s, Western societies in USA and Europe have become very morally decadent or hedonist(eg free casual sex, sex orgies and wife-swapping) with the abolishing of laws against adultery, fornication, divorce, abortion and sodomy by the vote-pandering White liberals.
....... IOW, since the 1960s, most Western girls and boys are into open relationship before marriage, like test-driving "new" used-cars every few months. Not so for most Eastern societies.

In comparison, most Eastern societies were still quite conservative in the 1970s and 1980s during the heydays of your FIL when he was still a rich young bachelor = he likely needed to falsely promise marriage to trick gullible Malaysian amoi/s into bed, who usually happened to be virgins = got conned, deflowered and later dumped by your FIL = broken-hearted amoi/s.
....... Until today, Malay/Muslim and South Korean societies are still very conservative wrt boy-girl relationship, dating, sex and marriage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#United_States
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_la...e_United_States

The principle behind the law of ni4ni wrt sins/evil-deeds/law-breaking is about the harm/hurt/offense done to the other party.

LEV.24:19-23 = 19 ‘If a man causes disfigurement of his neighbor, as he has done, so shall it be done to him— 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he has caused disfigurement of a man, so shall it be done to him. 21 And whoever kills an animal shall restore it; but whoever kills a man shall be put to death. 22 You shall have the same law for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I am the Lord your God.’ ”

23 Then Moses spoke to the children of Israel; and they took outside the camp him who had cursed, and stoned him with stones. So the children of Israel did as the Lord commanded Moses.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 12 2019, 04:03 PM

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Yes, agree. This is proven by the 1st wife agreeing to loan her ex-husband/BillCollector's ex-FIL her life savings of RM210k to divorce BillCollector's MIL, so that she can get back with him = her 1st love.

Only an immoral and greedy woman would commit adultery and "steal" another woman's rich husband.(= broke the Ten Commandments)
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FIL was enticed by a beauty queen. The forbidden fruit is always sweeter. One has money, the other has beauty ... a good clap.

All women have 1 UNBREAKABLE rule about husband...

"You can do anything before me, but once you are mine, make sure you stick it inside me ONLY"

That how 1st wife divorce FIL.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Nov 12 2019, 04:12 PM

1st wife never divorced FIL. They were never legally married.

Traditional marriage during those days are considered legal. Nevermind, this aside, 1st wife left him whether legally or otherwise.

Which women, whether legal or otherwise can share a husband ? The minute one finds out, the exit plan will start.