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prophetjul
post Jul 2 2020, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 2 2020, 11:29 AM)
The Bible is predominantly about God's begotten son Jesus Christ, even in the songs of solomon, you can catch glimpse of it in there.

You have to read it with this revelation in mind.
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Of course. You dont have to tell me that.
However, there are other aspects of scriptures besides the spiritual. Thats what you are inferring about marriage.
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post Jul 2 2020, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 2 2020, 11:31 AM)
7 Again I saw something meaningless under the sun:

8 There was a man all alone;

he had neither son nor brother.

There was no end to his toil,

yet his eyes were not content with his wealth.

“For whom am I toiling,” he asked,

“and why am I depriving myself of enjoyment?”

This too is meaningless—

a miserable business!

9 Two are better than one,

because they have a good return for their labor:

10 If either of them falls down,

one can help the other up.

But pity anyone who falls

and has no one to help them up.

11 Also, if two lie down together, they will keep warm.

But how can one keep warm alone?

12 Though one may be overpowered,

two can defend themselves.

A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.

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The context is there. It's about keeping themselves warm over coldness, nothing to do with sex.
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It can be in the context of marriage when there are 2.
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post Jul 2 2020, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 2 2020, 10:57 AM)
Galatians 5:16 (NLT) - So I say, let the Holy Spirit guide your lives. Then you won’t be doing what your sinful nature craves.
In all other translation, The Greek Text tells us to walk in God's Holy Spirit. The word Walk there in Greek " peripateó" means Our entire comprehensive complete life everything is to be under the leading of God's Holy Spirit.

God's Holy Spirit will teach you how to overcome sin. We think God's old covenant commandments will help us to be holy but that is not how new covenant Salvation works. What I mean is this.

The law will tell you Do not covet, but does not tell you to give, The Holy Spirit does that, sometime He will tell you to give to help certain people., God's Law tells you, Do not  commit adultery but does not tell you how to love your wife. The Holy Spirit will teach you that.

Under the new Covenant, we need to fix our eyes on the leading of God's Holy Spirit. and the workings God's Salvation life under the new covenant is all by Grace, meaning you cannot earn it, the only way you get it is to receive it unmerited.

God Bless

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The thing is this: When you write the above, its as if the intructions for life starts from the new testament. And the old testament is lacking. The Torah teaches about giving eg tithing, taking care of widows and orphans, etc.

Marriage is from Genesis.

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4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Not from the new testament.
The author of the scriptures and instructions for life is the Holy Spirit.

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All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


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post Jul 2 2020, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 2 2020, 11:13 AM)
And read the Song of Solomon!    laugh.gif

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God's Holy Spirit will teach you how to overcome sin. We think God's old covenant commandments will help us to be holy but that is not how new covenant Salvation works. What I mean is this.

The law will tell you Do not covet, but does not tell you to give, The Holy Spirit does that, sometime He will tell you to give to help certain people., God's Law tells you, Do not  commit adultery but does not tell you how to love your wife. The Holy Spirit will teach you that.




God Bless 


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Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun
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9 Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.

10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.

11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?
Hint: Who inspired the writing of the scriptures?

God bless.
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This post was reported. * laugh.gif

If we cannot even discuss the scriptures, very soon this thread will be dead!

And to the person who reported(it was NOT UW), where do find the post offensive? hmm.gif

Peace to you.

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post Jul 3 2020, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 3 2020, 10:18 AM)


Ecclesiastes! My favorite book.

Please keep the discussion going on. And please also to remember it's ok to disagree as we are all different and come to understand scripture differently (again, don't take me wrongly and I don't mean to interpret as one likes). And always welcome to enlighten everyone else who is reading this thread.

Very interesting and this is the kind of discussion we need.

(Prophetjul, what's your background that UW is talking about? I am impressed that you took time to learn the biblical language).
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Hi gash

i am not sure what background UW was referring to?
But i am leaned towards a Hebraic based understanding of scriptures. Reason i disagree with the contemporary interpretation of scriptures by way of English understanding of the scriptures.

i am still a baby with Hebraic understanding. It takes lots of effort since i am not living in the Jewish culture. Many scholars had to live in Israel for a prolonged period before they appreciate the culture and therefore the language and mannerisms of the Jews and therefore Jesus and Paul.

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Hi gash

i am not sure what background UW was referring to?
But i am leaned towards a Hebraic based understanding of scriptures.  Reason i disagree with the contemporary interpretation of scriptures by way of English understanding of the scriptures. 

i am still a baby with Hebraic understanding. It takes lots of effort since i am not living in the Jewish culture. Many scholars had to live in Israel for a prolonged period before they appreciate the culture and therefore the language and mannerisms of the Jews and therefore Jesus and Paul.
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Another post reported! Is this real?

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 3 2020, 11:41 AM)
just ignore the reports, someone is on reporting spree..even gasout post is reported.
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Someone is trying to sabotage the thread.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 3 2020, 11:52 AM)
Have your church open since RMCO allows opening of churches? Planning of going?
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No. Not yet.

Think its quite difficult for churches with multiple services.
AFAIK It seems they have to carry out disinfection after every service. sad.gif
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QUOTE(coca^cola @ Sep 25 2020, 11:17 PM)
Jesus is our passover lamb. Eating kosher, I try. I don’t have any son. I will keep trying to keep the law.

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I agree.

Good FRiday and Easter is a Roman pagan fraud.




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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 3 2020, 11:17 AM)
For me I have no issue with those 2 celebration. I think we can commemorate to remember Good Friday and Easter as the day of Jesus crucifixion and his resurrection.

Nothing wrong to remember those days as to those events.
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Except scriptures do not support those two days.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 28 2020, 01:09 PM)
This verse never say it's directed to Christians who wants to obey and do what is pleasing to God or it's directed to self righteous legalist. It's directed to people who put their confidence (or justification) before God by what they do (Performance).

because the following verse (V3 & 5) explains it.

Galatians 5:3 (NIV) -  Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.
It's not just on ceremonial laws but the entire law as 1 composite.

The righteousness under the New Covenant is by Grace through "Faith".

Galatians 5:5 (NIV) - For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope.

Meaning this is given to you apart from your works. It's a grace gift. YES, read the preceding chapter as well in Galatians 4, where it tells us, to get rid of the Slave woman and her son who represents Mount Sinai Covenant. Get rid of that old covenant where you are justified by your performance.

As for your argument that there are Old Testament Saints who are righteous by their acts to counter Romans 3:10, understand what you said about Adam's original sin, it's not a fallacy. because if you read in Hebrews 11 verse 30, even with their righteous act and commendable faith, they could not receive Salvation. (Read Hebrews 11:13-16) for context of what is promised.

Sorry but that debunks what you accuse as false doctrine, it is in the scripture.

You need to stop all these label throwing traits, doesn't look good on you.  smile.gif
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We have discussed this before. Where in scriptures does it say the Jews were justified by their performance?

In fact, Hebrews 11 which you quoted contradicts what your mention about their justification.
Jewish faith includes the perfection by works or acts as in James 2.
Jewish faith is NOT a mental ascend or creed. It is followed by righteous acts, without which it is a dead faith. Useless faith.
This is clearly described in Hebrews 11.
The grace of God does not mean there is no need of righteous acts.
If you think you have faith and keep on sinning habitually without conviction(as Joseph Prince teaches), you have a DEAD faith.

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post Oct 5 2020, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 4 2020, 01:10 PM)
Erm those 2 events did happened so to remember them is nothing wrong. 

Well, if you study scriptures, Jesus gave a sign which do not match Fri and SUNday stickers.


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You don't know how the Old Covenant works?

Under the Old Covenant, they were justifed by their performance, blessings if they could keep the Law but curses if they transgressed. That is the justification. Do read the very last verse of Hebrews 11, what does it tell you?

As I've told you before in the book of James chapter 2, the justification is before Man, not God. The verses keep repeating on "You See". Who is is this "You see"? You or God? (v22 & 24)

Read it, it's there.

Working Faith as I've repeatedly mentioned, the context has very much to do with "HOW" you treat others.

Try to digest "WHY" verse 14 of James 2 is there. What is the focus there in verse 14. VERSE 14 Prophetjul....VERSE 14.
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Show me the scriptures that they were justified by their performance. Not because you said so.

And what does Hebs 11 tell you about faith of the sages?

And what does Romans tell you about Abraham's faith?

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Is it different from this?

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

No. It was by faith through God's grace that Abraham was justified, not by performance.

Performance perfects it.

James 2:14
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

And then................he shows example of Abraham.


Did anyone(man) but God see Abraham put up the sacrifice of Isaac? laugh.gif NO

Hebrews is very consistent with Romans

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

And Abraham believed, acted upon instructions and was justified before GOD and received righteousness.

SiNce you keep on saying under the old covenant, they were justified by their performance, i guess you think Hebrews 11 is only for the old covenant then.




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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 5 2020, 09:11 AM)
Don't know what stickers you're talking about, but the death and resurrection of Christ did happen and to remember a day each on those 2 events is nothing wrong.

Besides the focus is on Christ, so what is the problem?


If it was about Christ, your worship would have been driven by TRUTH.
The truth is Jesus prophesied 3 days and 3 nights as THE SIGN. Are you then saying that TRUE prophecy does not matter, even that given as the ONLY SIGN by the Lord HIMSELF?


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Abraham lived about 400 years before the Law was given. I've told you, he lived under the dispensation of God's Grace. The Law was only given at Mount Sinai to Moses. Moses as you know is after Abraham.

And where does it says the jews were justified by their performances?

Deuteronomy 11: 27-28 (NIV) -See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse— the blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I am giving you today; the curse if you disobey the commands of the LORD your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known.

Deuteronomy 30:19 (NIV) - This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

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Hebrews 11:39-40 (NIV) - These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

This is evidence, Salvation by Faith is only made effective at the cross of Jesus Christ under the New Covenant. You yourself know that Christ have not died yet, neither revealed in the Old Testament.

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The point of James 2 (verse 14-17) is to help you understand, it is not just to merely wish a person well and that it. God doesn't want just merely lip services but the point is to help others in need. This is the context of why Faith without works is dead. God's word can never contradict itself. Works will never make the person righteous. No where you will find the entire chapter has anything to do with Salvation. No, the writer of the book is asking YOU the believer while quoting Abraham and it's NOT just Abraham, there's Rahab also.

If you say it's justification before God, since when killing a person (Abraham case) and telling lies (Rahab case) is something that you can justify to be right with God?

Romans 3:20 (NIV) - Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

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So Abraham was before the Law and under grace? Remember God made a covenant with Abraham.
And then God decided to give the Law and took away grace?
And under Law, they were justified by their performance.
And then came the new covenant, and we revert to GRACE again?
i presume you are indicating this?

So
1. Abraham was saved by GRACE
2. Israel including Moses and David et al were saved by performance(works)
3. We, in the New Covenant are saved by GRACE

But i thought Hebrews 8 said that the old covenant was FAULTY?
If that be the case, God went from GRACe which is deemed better to the Law, which is faulty and then back to Grace, which is better?
i cannot comprehend such a god.

Indeed God's word cannot contradict itself.

AND GOD is CONSISTENT. God is not a chameleon. HIS character changes NOT.
Everyone is saved by God's grace through faith in HIm. Consistent. He Changes NOT.
Works is the perfection of faith. Faith is the same in the OT as in the NT.

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 6 2020, 01:31 PM)
To be fair, if we look into the trail of blood of Baptists,
it is understandable how Good Friday and Easter are still celebrated as it is originated by the Catholics era, carried down as a tradition still by the protestants that broke away from the Catholics
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Yeah. Roman paganism carried on by the protestants, unsupported by scriptures. That is the reason why Jesus warned the Jews about traditions

15 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,

2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 7 2020, 10:26 AM)
Huh? Good Friday and Easter imo is just to remember that Jesus died and rose again, that is all, What on earth are you talking about?  laugh.gif  What is so wrong to remember those day for those 2 events? What is the relevance with prophecy?

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You seem to want to ignore

The truth is Jesus prophesied 3 days and 3 nights as THE SIGN. Are you then saying that TRUE prophecy does not matter, even that given as the ONLY SIGN by the Lord Himself?

What happened to

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

HOW is Friday afternoon to Sunday morning 3 days and 3 nights according to the prophecy of Jesus?
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38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


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This is something I wish you can realize and see. And I pray that you will by his Holy Spirit. There is a reason for God giving the law. To understand why, we need to understand "through" The New Testament the purpose of the Law.

Romans 7:8-9(NIV) - But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.

Why give something that triggers sin?

You realize prior to the giving of the 10 commandments at mount Sinai, God was with the Israelites quite close. They had the pillar of cloud by day to shield them from the scorching sun and pillar fire by night to warm then against the biting cold. That is a picture of love imo. They complained and murmured yet they weren't struck dead for those sins. Why? Because the law wasn't given yet. So this means God was dealing them by his mercy /goodness or grace if you like it.

It is only at the mountain sinai, when the Israelites told God, ALL THAT God commanded they will do it. God changed his tone. Everything change from then on. There was thunder, lightning, thick clouds so dark, the people were trembling and terrified. Even if an animal touch the foot of mountain it must die. The Israelites did the same sin after the law was given, they murmured and complained and they all died, struck down.

Why the contrast?

For a simple reason and it this also made understood through the New Testament.

Romans 7:13 (NIV) - Did that which is good, then, become death to me? Certainly not! But in order that sin might be exposed as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

The word commandment there, refer to the 10 commandments of the OT. When you understand verse 13, then you can begin to read the rest.

Romans 7:21-25 (NIV)

21 So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. 23 But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me.

24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!

If you have spiritual intelligence, you will realize, the Law was never in the main agenda in the heart of God. God's grace was the main agenda..you can see it in his dealing with his initial creation at the garden and how he treat the Israelites prior to mount Sinai. The law was given to make Man come to the end of themselves absolving of all their own efforts to even try to reach or justify themselves with God.

The Law was meant to drive the person to Jesus Christ for Salvation. God already has this in plan in the book of Genesis. If God did not give the Law, Man until today will still think they can try self effort or self performance to reach to God. And some are still trying today; hint to Mr Wong.  shakehead.gif

Romans 7:10 (NIV) - I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. <------HOW can this not be any clearer?

Yes God find fault with the people and  Old Covenant but that doesn't mean it wasn't a covenant made with the Israelites. That is why there is 2 different covenant made. Even God call this covenant as new in;

Hebrews 8:13 (NIV) By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

It's never the same covenant. if it's the same thing, Jesus did not need to die on the cross. WHAT for I ask you?

The new covenant is grounded on the Grace of Jesus Christ but that doesn't mean we go lawless and sin as we like. No, the point is; to no longer look to the Law to save us or justify us by but to God's Mercy and Grace. It is practically God's Goodness that saved us. That is the focal point of the believer, not the Law.

THIS is his main agenda because it's basically who God is. He is love as you know it primarily more than all his other attributes.

I really pray you will see this without prejudice brother prophetjul. I post this because I care.
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Look. You do not need to teach me about the Law and the old testament.
Just explain what i posted. AND dont be CONDESCENDING in your replies in the highlighted. Just be objective to the discussion.

And after all this, you have not explain away your notion of

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1. Abraham was saved by GRACE
2. Israel including Moses and David et al were saved by performance(works)
3. We, in the New Covenant are saved by GRACE

But i thought Hebrews 8 said that the old covenant was FAULTY?
If that be the case, God went from GRACe which is deemed better to the Law, which is faulty and then back to Grace, which is better?
i cannot comprehend such a god.

Indeed God's word cannot contradict itself.

AND GOD is CONSISTENT. God is not a chameleon. HIS character changes NOT.
Everyone is saved by God's grace through faith in HIm. Consistent. He Changes NOT.


And if you accept the above, your god is a chameleon with changing attributes and double mindedness.
That is not the God of the scriptures.
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 7 2020, 11:46 AM)
Jesus was indeed crucified on a Friday but that the Jewish method of counting days was not the same as ours.

In Esther 4:16, we find Esther exhorting Mordecai to persuade the Jews to fast. “Neither eat nor drink for three days, night or day” (NKJV). This was clearly in preparation for her highly risky attempt to see the king. Yet just two verses later, in Esther 5:1, we read: “Now it happened on the third day that Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king’s palace.” If three days and nights were counted in the same way as we count them today, then Esther could not have seen the king until the fourth day. This is completely analogous to the situation with Jesus’s crucifixion and resurrection.

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth (Matthew 12:40; NKJV).
Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb (Matthew 28:1; NKJV).
Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again’” (Luke 24:5–7; NKJV).
If the three days and nights were counted the way we count them, then Jesus would have to rise on the fourth day. But, by comparing these passages, we can see that in the minds of people in Bible times, “the third day” is equivalent to “after three days.”

In fact, the way they counted was this: part of a day would be counted as one day. Jesus died on Good Friday; that was day one. In total, day one includes the day and the previous night, even though Jesus died in the day. So, although only part of Friday was left, that was the first day and night to be counted. Saturday was day two. Jesus rose in the morning of the Sunday. That was day three. Thus, by Jewish counting, we have three days and nights, yet Jesus rose on the third day.

It should not be a surprise to us that a different culture used a different method of counting days. As soon as we adopt this method of counting, all the supposed biblical problems with counting the days disappear.

https://answersingenesis.org/jesus/resurrec...ays-and-nights/
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Treis Hemera Treis Nux. That is 3 days and 3 nights. How many days and nights was Jonah in the belly of the fish?

The part day and night is poor hermeneutics of prophecy. The teachers of the Law knew what 3 days and 3 nights was.

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62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,

63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
Next, the phrase 'first day of the week' does not even exists!

"μια των σαββατων" (mia ton sabbaton) as translated as the above is translated as "first/one of the Sabbaths".
This phrase has caused many to think that Jesus rose on the Sunday morning.
There is a good reason for this. This is the first Sabbath of the 7 Sabbaths counting as instructed by God in Lev 23:15


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15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.


TO Pentecost. The 8 times this pharse is found in the NT, it is connected to Pentecost.


"First day of the week" would be translated as " πρώτη ημέρα της εβδομάδας"
próti iméra tis evdomádas.

So in effect, there is NO first day of the week resurrection.
Jesus died on Wed afternoon and rose on the evening of the Sabbath end. 3 days and 3 nights. God is True and let man's tradition be exposed.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 7 2020, 12:02 PM)
I did explain. It's there. there is a reason for why the Law was given. Doesn't mean God was a chameleon.

Nothing CONDESCENDING about it. It's a request that you do so without prejudice.
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You are already prejudiced with those remarks.

So then i will take it as your view is

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1. Abraham was saved by GRACE
2. Israel including Moses and David et al were saved by performance(works)
3. We, in the New Covenant are saved by GRACE

Hebrews 8 said that the old covenant was FAULTY?
If that be the case, God went from GRACe which is deemed better to the Law, which is faulty and then back to Grace, which is better?

i cannot comprehend such a god.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Oct 7 2020, 12:10 PM
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post Oct 7 2020, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Oct 7 2020, 12:12 PM)
Ah the attack begin

You are not being sarcastic when you belittling other for having no spiritual guidance?
You really believe salvation is exclusive to you church?

Back to the point, how is david and etc al who you said is under law, beung saved?
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Ex 33
16 For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.

17 And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.


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Acts 7
45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.


God is very consistent and unchanging in character.
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post Oct 7 2020, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Oct 7 2020, 12:23 PM)
I recommend psalm 51 which is very beautiful

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Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;  wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.  Let me hear joy and gladness;  let the bones that you have broken rejoice.  Hide your face from my sins, and blot out all my iniquities.  Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.  Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me.  Restore to me the joy of your salvation, and uphold me with a willing spirit.
Psalm 51:7‭-‬12 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/psa.51.7-12.ESV
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