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prophetjul
post Apr 2 2020, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 2 2020, 04:24 PM)
Erm King David lived under the dispensation of the Law, that is without a doubt. Because there was judgement meted out on his 1st born son. That is evidence enough.  God gave favour to King David because he has a heart for God (ie in his wanting to build a tabernacle house for God) and futhermore God made a promise with Him, a covenant on the Throne of David, through his line Jesus would come. Do you understand this enough as to why the favour? Adoi... doh.gif 
Adam to Moses ..I have nothing to say because the lesson was in the congregration of Israel. That was the start of God rescueing his people, a congregration..a type of Church if you will....the start of God displaying "pure" grace. As for Adam to Moses.... there was dispensation of grace but still my points to the fact there was no judgment when israel travel to Sinai despite of them sinning. Because God is a Holy God, he should have given judgement but it didn't happen.

I'm sorry but I disagree. If you want to nitpick on timeline then I can point to you; God began at Exodus 19:5. But for me, officially the point of the Law given to Moses was the starting point. Plus even before that before the Law was given to Moses, there was already a start of distance at foot of mount Sinai.
True, the 10 commandments wasn't read to the Israelites below at the foot mountain but Israel made the statement..they will do whatever God commands (exodus 19:8) That bodes a problem. They made an emphatic confident.... they could do whatever God commands...and YET God has not even reveal the Big 10, what are those commandments? They have not heard and yet they were confident they will do it.

This is a kind of boasting, if you can see it. That was the start of their fall.

I believe the Golden Calf happens because they sense there already distance between them and God...the dark clouds, the thunder and the death that was proclaimed if they even touch the foot of the mountain..in a sense They were afraid.

As for your last question. Yes they were under the dispensation of the Law.
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Maybe you do not read so well

Dispensation of Law is your imaginary guide, and therefore you have to smack your own head because charis as mentioned in Acts 7:46 does not jive with your doctrine. All those that you put forth are knowns. And because God's charis was on David, he was chosen as such. Not because David had a heart for God, therefore he was chosen. What you described is works. Haha! You are indeed a chameleon.

There was no judgement on Israel inspite of 3,000 were JUDGED and KILLED for worshipping the molten calf. OK you win in your own drivel.

So essentially you are saying David and the rest of the patriachs are under the Law and therefore justified by such. Poppy cocks!

Says your favourite apostle Paul

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4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,


Is this not grace?

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32 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.


NO ONE is justfied by the Law


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Rom 3
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Gal 2
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

And who has faith?


Heb 11

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16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,


There is one dispensation of grace throughout the ages, from Adam to present day.

God does not change.




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post Apr 4 2020, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 2 2020, 04:59 PM)
Erm I said the Journey of the Israelites from Egypt to Mount Sinai, there was no judgement.  laugh.gif Talk about reading problem. Of course after the Law was given, 3000 died. Even in 2 Corinthians 3:7, it says there the 10 commandments = Ministry of Death.
David enjoyed God's fav our under the dispensation of God's Law in the Old Testament. It's not about works but as Ive said David had a heart for God He wanted to build a tabernacle house not because of works but because he had a heart for God..I repeat He had the heart for God..God even called David a Man after my own heart, plus of the promise from his throne , Jesus would come.

From Moses until before Christ, Until John the baptist that is the time of the Law.
Luke 16:16 (KJV) - The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Sorry. The dispensation  of the Law is from Moses until John the Baptist.
Edit Note: Abraham was before the Law.
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Sounds like you believe in an inconsistent God who has both your imaginary dispensations. Bet you got your explanation just now. But unsupported by scriptures.

Luke 16:16 KJV The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

16 YLT the law and the prophets [are] till John; since then the reign of God is proclaimed good news, and every one doth press into it;

Do you know why were/are is in italics? laugh.gif

The Law was till John? So John ended the dispensation of the Law and Grace started?
What happened to the dispensation of the prophets? rolleyes.gif

What happened to all those between Sinai and John? Like Rahab,Gideon, Barak also, and Samson, and Jephthah, David also, and Samuel, and the prophets,?

Were they justified by the Law?

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 2 2020, 05:12 PM)
Abraham is known as the Father of Faith and He lived before the Law was given. I don't see the relevance.

David was given hints of the revelation of Grace but he lived under the Law.

Sorry.
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What happened to all those between Sinai and John? Like Rahab,Gideon, Barak also, and Samson, and Jephthah, David also, and Samuel, and the prophets,?

Were they justified by the Law?

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post Apr 4 2020, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 2 2020, 11:01 PM)
Just give it a rest. Think about it..if your way of asking Catholics to repent would have work, it would have work a long time ago.

People are turned off by hostility. You'd think people want to listen to anything you have to say when you're being hostile, when you saja want cari pasal?

If you don't know better people minds are shut off no matter what you have to say. That is a fact whether you like it or not.

If you think you know the BIble that well, then at least practise and believe that

Proverbs 25:15 (NIV) - Through patience a ruler can be persuaded, and a gentle tongue can break a bone.
Proverbs 15:1 (NIV) - A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

Look at your own language that you use...poppycocks lah, " OK you win in your own drivel:, "smack your own head"

I did not say he can come in to promote Catholic doctrine, he knows Catholicism will not be accepted anyway.

Not here.

What I want is everyone not to mudsling at each other.

Why do you think I'm being so hard headed here?

Because I'm equally upset you're throwing wrongful accusations  at me.

You'd think just because I believe in Grace being the Gospel..Oh that means UW is asking Christians to sin away.  Etc etc something along that line.

You know what is your biggest problem? All your wrongful throughts highlight in bold really irritate me. To the Max.

Despite so many time Ive repeated myself, I'm very much for the victorious life in Christ. Very much for the believer to be close to God regardless of circumstance.
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If your argument is true, than we should not be evangelizing the atheists, the Buddhists,

I am sure the Pharisees and the teachers of the Law were equally turned away by the Lord's aggressive approach too!

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13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

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post Apr 4 2020, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 4 2020, 10:49 AM)
No Jesus ended the dispensation for the believer. Not John.  However the Law still stand against unbelievers/sinner.

Yes They are under the dispensation of the Law.
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But BUt you said the Law was till John???????
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post Apr 4 2020, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 4 2020, 10:49 AM)
They are under the dispensation of the Law.  Read Luke 16:16.
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I read Luke 16:16. It has different sentence in GREEK laugh.gif

Translated as follows

The Law and the prophets till John, from that time the kingdom of God is proclaimed and everyone into it, forces his way.

This phrase has NOTHING to do with dispensations of time.

Are you then saying they were JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW?

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 4 2020, 11:02 AM)
I never say you shouldn't evangelize, you should but in love not hostility.

Jesus only reserve his harshes to pharisee because they stand in the way by putting obstacles between believer to God and they lack grace, not even allowing God to exibit his miracles
Mark 3:5 (KJV) - And when He had looked around at them with anger, being grieved by the hardness of their hearts, He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other.
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Jesus had hostility towards false teachings and especially idolatry.

Mark 3 was not towards false teachings. You have a funny way of pinching verse out of their context! That's for sure.

Deuteronomy 4:25-26
25 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the Lord thy God, to provoke him to anger:
26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.


1 John 5:21

Little children, guard yourselves from idols.

1 Cor
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

1 Th

9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 4 2020, 11:07 AM)
There is nothing ambiguous in Luke 16:16.

The Law and the Prophets were until John. Noticed that the word Law is a composite whole, refering to the time of the prophets in OT.

They were under that dispensation.
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Already told you the word 'the' is NOT in the Greek text.

It makes serious differences to the WHOLE sentence.

Nor the dispensation of the Law and Prophets were till John. John did not curtail the Law.
You have a hard time try to fix your dispensation jig saw.


I asked you for many many times now

What happened to all those between Sinai and John? Like Rahab,Gideon, Barak also, and Samson, and Jephthah, David also, and Samuel, and the prophets,?

Were they justified by the Law?


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QUOTE(yeeck @ Apr 4 2020, 03:16 PM)
Well, that's because you think that just because we Catholics kiss an icon/statue we are adoring/honouring the statue/icon itself. The Jehovah's Witnesses sect goes even further by saying that we cannot salute our national flag or take part in national service because to them they think that is worshipping the country. Actually they are right to a certain extent. They are right in that it is a form of worship, but they like most Protestants forget that here are different degrees of worship/honour. Only God deserves the supreme honour/worship which in Catholicism we have and call it the Holy Sacrifice, the Easterns call it the Divine Liturgy or Holy Qurbana (from the Arabic word for sacrifice). I have mentioned this in the past and won't repeat it here for the sake of brevity.
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Lets not get into it again. The Man managing this thread is a rule unto his own. If I start with you, he will just delete.

You worhip whom/what you like. I have said my piece. I will hold back my pearls.
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Apr 6 2020, 06:35 AM)
I know muslims always claim that the word trinity does not exist in the bible,, and always claim that it is polytheism.

I can't go through the whole bible with you here, but from cover to cover the doctrine of the trinity can stand every verse of the bible.

Just because Jesus did not say He is God in a way you would understand doesn't mean He did not say it.

In fact, that was the only reason He was crucified for.

Did Muhammad say he was a prophet from his own mouth? If he didn't, can I conclude that he wasnt a prophet?
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Actually Jesus did say many time He was God, just not in English. laugh.gif

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Apr 6 2020, 09:04 AM)
The typical claim from a muslim goes like this:

Show me a text where Jesus said: I am God, worship me!

If there is none, Jesus did not say it.

They don't understand that a text without a context is a pretext for a prooftext
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I think, while the Muslims are indoctrinated to think as such, the same can be said for Christians who do not bother to research and depend solely on their pastors for bible teachings.

Most of us read it in English. Unfortunately, the orginal texts are most Hebrew and with Jewish worldview contexts and tons of Jewish idioms, which we when reading in English with a Greco Roman worldview gets the context all wrong!

The cheek is that some translators put in English words in the original textual sentences to make it look right!
Then, the syntax of the sentences just loses it all. shakehead.gif
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post Apr 6 2020, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Apr 6 2020, 09:19 AM)
What translation do you use?
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Mostly KJV and Young's.

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post Apr 6 2020, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 6 2020, 11:11 AM)
Have you ever practise loving your enemies?
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Have you your friends? Like this as you did desmond and me?
By posting these nonsense?

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 29 2019, 09:10 AM)
Fuu that motorcycle no fuck given just ride right into lorry

QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Oct 8 2019, 10:33 AM)
DLLM actually mean fuck your mother literally

QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 13 2020, 01:19 PM)
Dude it is not cultural moral, it is an actual law. So you fuck a child, you go to jail
Dont talk too much of your bullshit

QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 1 2020, 10:37 AM)
MCA can go fuck themselves


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(yeeck @ Apr 4 2020, 01:24 PM)
True. prophetjul sounds like those Koran burning pastors in the USA. As if that will bring Muslims to the truth.


I think maybe he want to cekik you then only satisfy. laugh.gif
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Give it a break, matey. The more you post about others, the more judgement on yourself.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 6 2020, 12:11 PM)
YES I have. Don't think my life is confound only in this forum. There are real life people out there whom I've suffered greatly for a long time but I practise what Christ ask me to.

I posted that because I don't see both you doing it.

So.....I've answered.

Have you?
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Good for you.

Posting those unnecessarily shows you, I guess.

No. I have not done enough. But I guess I am lesser than you.
But that's alright because we are given different talents.


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post Apr 6 2020, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 6 2020, 12:33 PM)
I'm not trying to pit you against me who is better. I'm just trying to tell you...the way to evangelize is by the way of love.

After all you know the bible well enough. Even if one possessed all the revelation of God, you have the gift of prophecy, etc whatever...
if you don't do it in love, we are only.....clanging sounds. That is an important truth. That is why, what you're doing to Yeeck is not getting through.

I'm not necessarily pointing to you, I include that to myself as well.

My purpose in this thread is about application, it's not just dicussing theoology who is right or wrong, that is NEVER the point (arguing), I'm trying to get application to be institutionalize in here.

But we never do. We are always arguing but never practising. Sorry I had to point that out to desmond because otherwise we all don't realize what is going on.

That is why I share strongly on Grace because that is something we all can do. For the longest, if one follow carefully what I say, I NEVER for once imply just because I say look away from the Law, we sin as we like.

I think people have trouble reading me.


FYI I don't agree with catholicism, but I just agree to disagree. Till now I still don't see the point of petitioning to any angels or saints in heaven. I still hold to the view...petition to the Triune God is more than sufficient and I believe as have you.

Forgive me If Ive been hard, I just don't want people to get in the way of what I share...I'm on a mission to get believers to fall in love with God and to get out of sin..the fastest way.
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i think you should really stop teaching us here unless the person asks for it. nod.gif
Reason: You dont know us.

THAT will save you lots.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 6 2020, 12:57 PM)
I have to decline, I'm not doing this for any self reason, or of my own inclination.

True that God has given each of us different gifts or talents.

but love is something fundamental, even loving your enemies.

If you don't have that, you've completely missed the core of what Christian life that God asked us to take hold of.
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Then you should seriously look at yourself before you start teaching us. biggrin.gif
Again, i do not need you to tell me about love. Save it for yourself. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Apr 27 2020, 08:17 AM)
Christian scriptures are to be read with a contextual, geographical, historical, cultural, linguistical hermeneutics.

That means that the objective meaning of the text must be interpreted taking all those things into account.

It does not mean something to one person, and another to another person. It is not mystical, it is not a love letter from God to you, etc.

And scripture is the only authorative interpreter of itself. If a part of scripture is not clear, it must be interpreted by another part of scripture only.

No one gets to put his own meaning into scripture.
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That is the difficult parts. Context is highly dependent on these.
Many Christians read and interpret the scriptures as if they are living in the Western hemisphere with a millennial worldview.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 28 2020, 10:25 AM)
What he said is not important, he seem to throw verses at people, fault finding all the time.

I agree whole heartedly with you, God's words cannot mean something it doesn't say. But there is something I wanted to say with regards to this.

Jesus have repeatedly said...He is not of this world, meaning He doesn't originate from this world and Jesus also repeatedly said; his kingdom is not of the world's kingdom. Jesus also said Whoever has seen Him also has seen the Father.

So it reason to understand Our Father in Heaven is not Jewish. Though Jesus was born as a Jew but his origin is not Jewish, He was born by the power of God's Holy Spirit, originally a spirit being, who was always God and never a Jew before the virgin birth. There is a reason why God chose Israel and I don't believe they were chosen because God's pattern of thought is Jewish origin or Jewish way of thinking. 

I find it uncomfortable the saying God's word must be understood in historical, cultural, lingustic and contextual intepretation of jewish understanding because it can fall dangerously back to mere human intepretation rather than by God's spirit.

Though I perfectly understand why we need to look at the Jewish settings in understanding God's word (some granted) but I think we need to understand God's word by understanding God as He and His Kingdom's perspective as per originally Heaven's perspective which is not Jewish's origin at the core.
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Its no wonder you are interpreting the scriptures as such.

If God did not use the Jewish setting, then He did not use Israel. If He indeed used Israel, then Hebrew is the language that He used to reveal His intentions of redemption through human beings, and following that human speech and all its traditions. That, I think is proven as all the early scripts including Jewish tradition and the Dead Sea Scrolls attest to.

If everything was spiritual as you put it, then God could just use other means such as angels to spread the news.
Yet, He did not. He used human Israel, called through Abraham and used Jewish Prophets and dictated to them through Jewish thoughts and writings about His Messiah.

Why did God use Israel?
Its in the Jewish scriptures

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Deut 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;


Did Jesus become a human? Through which tribe, which nation? It has been stated overe and over again in Jewish prophecies the coming of the Messiah through the tribe of Judah through Israel.

Do you really disagree with this? OR am I reading you wrong again? laugh.gif

Now read this and tell me its not Jewish
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22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


No.Nothing to do with your EYES! laugh.gif
So if you say "Pu san pu se" to an English in transliterated English: "No 3 No 4". Would an Englishman understand that? laugh.gif

You mentioned kingdom perspective. Its ALL through JEWISH parables!

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10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:


And its all very spiritual.

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Apr 28 2020, 11:49 AM)
I'm not saying that God does'nt give hope, but the hope promised is in the afterlife.

It can be damaging to Christians if they believe that everything will be good in this life, no sickness, no pain.

I have seen my friends dying of diseases while believing in a false hope that God is going to heal them.

But biblical hope is that we can rejoice even when we are suffering and in pain.

I barely hear pastors preach pain and suffering except in the Reformed community.
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The main reason why the church does not teach on these bad things is that they want the people to have positivism and great life in this temporal earthly life. UW would call that abundance.

Thus, the heresy of health and wealth doctrines to tickle the ears of the carnal members. No wonder these institutions grow the fastest!
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[unknown warrior,Apr 29 2020, 10:33 AM]
Yes you are reading me wrong again as usual. I did not say God did not use Jewish setting, I said something else. If you're really interested to understand what I meant then read it slowly. If you refuse to try to understand what I'm saying, can I take it that you have prejudice in reading my thoughts? Then the problem lies with you.  smile.gif 


Really?

And i quote YOU again

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So it reason to understand Our Father in Heaven is not Jewish. Though Jesus was born as a Jew but his origin is not Jewish, He was born by the power of God's Holy Spirit, originally a spirit being, who was always God and never a Jew before the virgin birth. There is a reason why God chose Israel and I don't believe they were chosen because God's pattern of thought is Jewish origin or Jewish way of thinking. 

I find it uncomfortable the saying God's word must be understood in historical, cultural, lingustic and contextual intepretation of jewish understanding because it can fall dangerously back to mere human intepretation rather than by God's spirit.

Though I perfectly understand why we need to look at the Jewish settings in understanding God's word (some granted) but I think we need to understand God's word by understanding God as He and His Kingdom's perspective as per originally Heaven's perspective which is not Jewish's origin at the core.


You are trying so hard to justify your anti Jewish bias with NO conclusion. As with grace you had no conclusion about grace through the ages.
I have showed you Kingdom principles in JEWISH parables. Is that not SPIRITUAL enough?
You have given ZERO response to that.

Fact you have not answered anything. Prejudice? Yes. Because of your wrong teachings like this.


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As I've said before to you specifically long time ago, if health is something that is consider a sin and it's wrong, Jesus would have not healed anyone. If wealth is also a sin then no Man of God who seeks after God would be allowed to have wealth. God should have removed Soloman's wealth or Abraham's wealth and ensure that he is just normal like you and I

Scripture like this should be an error then. Wow look there the word abundance is there (bountiful)
Proverbs 8:21 (KJV) - That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

2 Corinthians 9:11 (KJV) - Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
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See what you are trying to do AGAin and again. Stating something which is not stated in my post.
Who said health and wealth are sins?

You should learn what is bountiful and blessings in God's perspective. Not through your post modern American commercialism worldview.
There is no given health and wealth with the gospel. That's Yankee commercialism.

You pick verses out of their context and read them in English and apply the Yankee worldview and expect the Truth out of scriptures?

Look at how you interpret Pr 8:21. Its laughable! Picking a verse like that. DO you even know the CONTEXT of Pr 21??? laugh.gif
Give you a hint

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8 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?


Why do you think Jesus warn about wealth so many times? Through Many Jewish parables. Wink*

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8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

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