QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 2 2020, 04:24 PM)
Erm King David lived under the dispensation of the Law, that is without a doubt. Because there was judgement meted out on his 1st born son. That is evidence enough. God gave favour to King David because he has a heart for God (ie in his wanting to build a tabernacle house for God) and futhermore God made a promise with Him, a covenant on the Throne of David, through his line Jesus would come. Do you understand this enough as to why the favour? Adoi...
Adam to Moses ..I have nothing to say because the lesson was in the congregration of Israel. That was the start of God rescueing his people, a congregration..a type of Church if you will....the start of God displaying "pure" grace. As for Adam to Moses.... there was dispensation of grace but still my points to the fact there was no judgment when israel travel to Sinai despite of them sinning. Because God is a Holy God, he should have given judgement but it didn't happen.
I'm sorry but I disagree. If you want to nitpick on timeline then I can point to you; God began at Exodus 19:5. But for me, officially the point of the Law given to Moses was the starting point. Plus even before that before the Law was given to Moses, there was already a start of distance at foot of mount Sinai.
True, the 10 commandments wasn't read to the Israelites below at the foot mountain but Israel made the statement..they will do whatever God commands (exodus 19:8) That bodes a problem. They made an emphatic confident.... they could do whatever God commands...and YET God has not even reveal the Big 10, what are those commandments? They have not heard and yet they were confident they will do it.
This is a kind of boasting, if you can see it. That was the start of their fall.
I believe the Golden Calf happens because they sense there already distance between them and God...the dark clouds, the thunder and the death that was proclaimed if they even touch the foot of the mountain..in a sense They were afraid.
As for your last question. Yes they were under the dispensation of the Law.
Maybe you do not read so wellAdam to Moses ..I have nothing to say because the lesson was in the congregration of Israel. That was the start of God rescueing his people, a congregration..a type of Church if you will....the start of God displaying "pure" grace. As for Adam to Moses.... there was dispensation of grace but still my points to the fact there was no judgment when israel travel to Sinai despite of them sinning. Because God is a Holy God, he should have given judgement but it didn't happen.
I'm sorry but I disagree. If you want to nitpick on timeline then I can point to you; God began at Exodus 19:5. But for me, officially the point of the Law given to Moses was the starting point. Plus even before that before the Law was given to Moses, there was already a start of distance at foot of mount Sinai.
True, the 10 commandments wasn't read to the Israelites below at the foot mountain but Israel made the statement..they will do whatever God commands (exodus 19:8) That bodes a problem. They made an emphatic confident.... they could do whatever God commands...and YET God has not even reveal the Big 10, what are those commandments? They have not heard and yet they were confident they will do it.
This is a kind of boasting, if you can see it. That was the start of their fall.
I believe the Golden Calf happens because they sense there already distance between them and God...the dark clouds, the thunder and the death that was proclaimed if they even touch the foot of the mountain..in a sense They were afraid.
As for your last question. Yes they were under the dispensation of the Law.
Dispensation of Law is your imaginary guide, and therefore you have to smack your own head because charis as mentioned in Acts 7:46 does not jive with your doctrine. All those that you put forth are knowns. And because God's charis was on David, he was chosen as such. Not because David had a heart for God, therefore he was chosen. What you described is works. Haha! You are indeed a chameleon.
There was no judgement on Israel inspite of 3,000 were JUDGED and KILLED for worshipping the molten calf. OK you win in your own drivel.
So essentially you are saying David and the rest of the patriachs are under the Law and therefore justified by such. Poppy cocks!
Says your favourite apostle Paul
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4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Is this not grace?
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32 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
NO ONE is justfied by the Law
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Rom 3
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Gal 2
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 3
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
And who has faith?
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Gal 2
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 3
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
And who has faith?
Heb 11
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And therefore
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16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
There is one dispensation of grace throughout the ages, from Adam to present day.
God does not change.
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