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prophetjul
post Oct 7 2020, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 7 2020, 12:27 PM)
So prophetjul is the new prophet and teacher of the Law?
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post Oct 7 2020, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 7 2020, 01:10 PM)
It's not condescending to request that you read it without prejudice because often I think you just rush read it.

Because if you really did read it, it does explain why. The fact that you are repeating this tells me, you have not.
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No. i read it.
My only prejudice is God is unchanging in character and attribues.
It does not answer your outlook on the scriptures and God as double minded which i find rather erroneous. And that is putting it mildly.
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1. Abraham was saved by GRACE
2. Israel including Moses and David et al were saved by performance(works)
3. We, in the New Covenant are saved by GRACE

Hebrews 8 said that the old covenant was FAULTY?
If that be the case, God went from GRACe which is deemed better to the Law, which is faulty and then back to Grace, which is better?


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post Oct 7 2020, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 7 2020, 01:20 PM)
No you didn't, I've specifically the timeline in there, why Grace then the Law then Grace again.

And no, they are not the same covenant, different.

Hebrews 11:39-40 (NIV) - These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
If the covenants are one and the same, they would have received the promise of their heavenly home at that point in time under the Old Covenant.
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Timeline or not. You still have a double minded god.

Started with grace with Abraham.
Then went to law and works justification for Israel.
AND then back to grace for NT believers.

If that is not a chameleon god, i do not know what that is.

They received not the promise because Christ is not come yet. However, they were already JUSTFIED by their faith as Hebrews 11 demonstrate.
That's the reason Hebrews used them sages as examples of SAVING faith.

7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

They were already justified by faith in God.


All of us who die will not receive the promise immediately either. Because this is the ultimate promise

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9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.


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5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:


THAT IS THE PROMISE.
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post Oct 7 2020, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 7 2020, 01:24 PM)
Which is correct, Grace was revealed to Him but he was under the Law.
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If David KNEW Grace of God, He was living by faith in the grace of God. laugh.gif

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45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 7 2020, 01:55 PM)
Erm read carefully Prophetjul, Noah lived before the Law was given.

They were commended for their faith but those who lived under the Law could not receive the promise, Yes because Christ have not come hence the New Covenant have not taken effect. It is only made effective at the cross where Christ died then rose again. So the distinction is there, different covenant. I gave you the verse that says it's a New Covenant, and yet same God. So you cannot say it's chameleon. New means the Old is made obsolete. If it's the same covenant, there is no need for a new one. This is where you missed it.

Actually no, if believers die today, our spirit will be where Jesus is.
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It does not matter whether the Law had been given. The Law or Torah is essentially God's instructions. God's instructions came from the beginning of creation with Adam and Eve.


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6 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


This is TORAH. Noah obeyed the instructions of God and it was imputed to him as righteousness. And he became the son of righteousness through faith.

You are diverting again. You said that Israel were JUSTIFIED BY THEIR PERFORMANCE. No. No flesh is justified by works.
The promise is the eternal kingdom as shown by the verses i showed you.

Where you missed it was

Started with grace with Abraham before the Law.
Then went to law and works justification for Israel.
AND then back to grace for NT believers.

That's awful theology.

Where in the scriptures says our spirits will be where Jesus is?

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 7 2020, 01:56 PM)
Yet he was under the Law Covenant of mount Sinai.

His 1st son died judged for his sin with Bathsheba....  example of what I say as being true.
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What do you mean under Law? That He was JUSTIFIED BY PERFORMANCE? NO!

He was justified by faith in God and through grace of God as described by Acts 2.
The Law justifies NO ONE.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

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post Oct 8 2020, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 7 2020, 02:20 PM)
It does matter. I think if you are so agitated by accuracy of timeline ie Good Friday, Easter, why ignore that the covenant of God's Law which only started at Mount Sinai? It took effect from there. They will be blessed or cursed depending on how well they are able to submit to it.

I even gave you verses to prove that.

Deuteronomy 11: 27-28 (NIV) -See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse— the blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I am giving you today; the curse if you disobey the commands of the LORD your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known.

Deuteronomy 30:19 (NIV) - This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live
Even the New Testament make mention of this.

Galatians 4:21-24

21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.
2 "DIFFERENT" Covenants prophetjul, yet same God, you cannot say it's chameleon.
As for where it says, our spirit will be with Jesus?
Luke 23:43 (NIV) - Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
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2 covenants yes. BUT the way of justification does not change. You are still not getting that. The way you view it has a double minded chameleon god.

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Started with grace with Abraham before the Law.
Then went to law and works justification for Israel.
AND then back to grace for NT believers.


Blessings and curses are consequences of reaping and sowing.

JUSTIFICATION from Adam to Abraham THROUGH iSRAEL to you and me was/IS always by faith in God through the grace of God. There is no change.

Tell me what does the scriptures say about the Law/Torah presently?

AND if you would like to discuss the death and resurrection timeline, start another thread.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 7 2020, 02:23 PM)
Which part of Acts 2 says that?
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Sorry. Its Acts 7

i showed it to you before

45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.
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post Oct 8 2020, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 8 2020, 11:50 AM)
If the way of justification does not change, there is no need for 2 covenants. One would suffice. Jesus need not die on the cross, sorry but your point is moot.
Galatians 3

10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” f 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” g 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” h 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Read verse 11. "IF" there is no difference why make mention that those who rely on the Law cannot be justified before God? IF you say the justification is the same. WHY even should Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law IF we could be justified by Faith under the Law?
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The covenant has nothing to do with God's way of salvation.
The Law did /does not justify any flesh. Are you reading my posts and scriptures?
In the same Galatians

2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

i am quoting from the same Galatians,

And yet you are saying that in the Old Cov, they are justified by performance?
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post Oct 8 2020, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 8 2020, 11:54 AM)
There is a huge difference between Finding favor vs being justified by Grace.
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Its the same word..........in GREEK. biggrin.gif

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5485. charis ►
Strong's Concordance
charis: grace, kindness
Original Word: χάρις, ιτος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: charis
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ece)
Definition: grace, kindness
Usage: (a) grace, as a gift or blessing brought to man by Jesus Christ, (b) favor, © gratitude, thanks, (d) a favor, kindness.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 8 2020, 12:03 PM)
This is only valid under the New Covenant. Are you reading the sculpture correctly too? ALL these are only made ready and available under the new covenant.

Justification by Faith is only made available in Jesus Christ. Since when this is made effective during the time when they live under the Old Covenant? You yourself said Christ has not come, so how is it possible they were justified back then?
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Are you seriously thinking Paul was writing about this as new covenant stuff?

When before that he wrote about Abraham's righteousness?


6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.


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16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


He is talking about the LAW. The Law was given to Israel. THAT LAW.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 8 2020, 12:04 PM)
Friend.  doh.gif

Yes Grace is the same word BUT Finding and being justified are 2 different meaning.
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If grace is the same, faith in God is the same thing. Justification by faith in God through His grace is the same! Facepalm*

You are interpreting too much in its English contxet. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Oct 8 2020, 12:28 PM)
Without faith it is impossible to please Him
Quote a long article on this

Question: "What is the favor of God, and how can I get it?"

Answer: The best definition of the word favor is “demonstrated delight.” The favor of God can be described as “tangible evidence that a person has the approval of the Lord.” When we favor someone, we want to be with him or her. We delight in him. We connect with her in a way we don’t connect with everyone. We usually favor people who also favor us. In the same way, God shows favor to the ones who delight in, connect with, and give honor to Him. Isaiah 66:2 says, “These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word.” Second Chronicles 16:9 says, “For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong on behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him.” To be “perfect” toward Him means we seek His favor more than we seek the favor of anyone else, even ourselves.

Favor is closely related to grace in the Bible. Those who have received Jesus as their Savior are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9). They know the favor of God. Without faith, it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), but those who have saving faith in God’s Son are declared righteous (Romans 4:5; Philippians 3:9) and live in God’s favor. The most basic answer to “how can I get God’s favor” is “believe in the Lord Jesus.”

God seeks out those who love Him and love His commands so that He can bless, guide, and protect them (Psalm 37:23; Proverbs 3:5–6). This does not mean that everyone who is prosperous or healthy has found favor with God (Jeremiah 12:1; Psalm 37:7; 73:16). Nor does it mean that those whom the Lord favors will never suffer difficulties. Many people in the Bible had the Lord’s favor but also suffered hardship (2 Corinthians 6:4; Acts 14:22; 20:23; 1 Peter 2:19). Heroes such as Noah (Genesis 6:8), Moses (Exodus 32:11; 33:13), Daniel (Daniel 10:19), and Mary (Luke 1:28) were favored of the Lord, but they also struggled with difficulties like anyone else.

Those who are favored of God know that God is with them and that nothing can happen to them apart from His good purpose (Romans 8:28). They have His ear as they walk through dark valleys (Psalm 34:15) and know that their struggle to remain true to Him will not go unrewarded (Matthew 10:42; Revelation 2:10). In addition to outward evidences, God’s favor can be felt in the spirit. When we have the favor of the Lord, we rest in quiet confidence that our sins are forgiven (Romans 4:7), we are within the plan of God (Psalm 86:11), and that He is there for us at all times (Isaiah 41:10; Matthew 28:20). We walk with God as with our closest friend. We begin to see and appreciate the little blessings that God provides for our enjoyment—blessings that we once took for granted.

The Lord invites us to seek His favor (Psalm 119:58, 135; 2 Kings 13:4; Jeremiah 26:19; Zephaniah 2:3). When we seek His favor, we humble our hearts before Him (2 Kings 22:19); seek Him for Himself, not just for the blessings He gives (Jeremiah 29:13); and arrange our lives around loving Him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength (Mark 12:30; Luke 10:27). We seek first His kingdom and righteousness (Matthew 6:33).

One way to obtain favor from the Lord is to seek wisdom. Proverbs 8:35 says, “For those who find me [wisdom] find life and receive favor from the LORD.” Psalm 5:12 says, “Surely, LORD, you bless the righteous; you surround them with your favor as with a shield.” Finding favor with the Lord keeps our lives and thoughts pure because we desire to please Him more than we desire to please ourselves. Hebrews 11:25 says of Moses, “He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.” When the same can be said of us, we know we have found favor with God. His delight in us will be demonstrated.
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Amen, Bro.

Hebrews 11 shows the saints who through God's favour have been imputed RIGHTEOUSNESS.
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Oct 8 2020, 01:01 PM)
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How did the Reformers came to this conclusion?

The 10 commandments appeared twice in the OT, once in Exodus, once in Deuteronomy. If you compare them and see the difference, you’ll understand why.


To answer your question, why does following the laws of Moses bring condemnation, you need to differentiate the 10 and the 600.

Israel was condemned because they hung on to the 600 that points to Jesus, and missed Jesus Christ!
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This is interesting.

What is the conclusion derived by the Reformers from the differences?


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post Oct 10 2020, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 8 2020, 01:08 PM)
Friend

All the writings of Paul are recorded under the New Testament. Yes God revealed to Abraham of the Gospel but they never had the full revealing of that until the New Covenant.

Read this verse
Romans 16:25 (NIV) - Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past,

Colossians 1:26 (NIV) - the mystery that was hidden for ages and generations but is now revealed to His saints.

Understand the meaning...They were hidden, never revealed to Israel.

I think now I understand why there is a misunderstanding here.

You'd think that justification by Faith is because of Faith per say. That is wrong doctrine. There must be a righteous foundation why Faith is justified, it is only justified in believing Jesus Christ. Why? Because only his shed blood could wipe away the state of their sins. If you say they just believe and that's it, they were justified, then about their sins?

Its makes a Work Base Salvation then. Which you know cannot be.

IF it's the one and the same way of justification, they would have entered into their heavenly home under the Old Covenant. Yet Hebrews 11 verse 39 tells us they could not!

Sorry but scripture is consistent on this. So Yes, justification by Faith and Grace is only made available at the cross of Jesus. Since when anything other than the blood of Jesus could justify the person?

Their works?  Scripture is against works based Salvation.

Sorry bro, but you are wrong in this.
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Paul's scriptures is the Tanakh. biggrin.gif
Paul is not reading His own writings to gain teachings as us. His foundation(as you mentioned) is the HEBREW scriptures. His doctrines are based on the Hebrew worldview and scriptures.

Faith per se? Are you reading what i wrote?
You just wrote about believing in Jesus. WHO do you think the slaughtered LAMB was pointing to?

Who do you think the righteous branch from David was? Why do you think Matthew connected Jesus to David's house?

Man......

YOU made it a works based salvation! You said the the olde sages were JUSTFIED by performance. Your words , not mine.
This is my last post on this with you on this. You just keep on wriggling.

This is what you implied

1. Abraham was saved by GRACE
2. Israel including Moses and David et al were saved by performance(works)
3. We, in the New Covenant are saved by GRACE


QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 4 2020, 01:10 PM)
Erm those 2 events did happened so to remember them is nothing wrong.
You don't know how the Old Covenant works?

Under the Old Covenant, they were justifed by their performance, blessings if they could keep the Law but curses if they transgressed. That is the justification. Do read the very last verse of Hebrews 11, what does it tell you?

As I've told you before in the book of James chapter 2, the justification is before Man, not God. The verses keep repeating on "You See". Who is is this "You see"? You or God? (v22 & 24)

Read it, it's there.

Working Faith as I've repeatedly mentioned, the context has very much to do with "HOW" you treat others.

Try to digest "WHY" verse 14 of James 2 is there. What is the focus there in verse 14. VERSE 14 Prophetjul....VERSE 14.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 28 2020, 01:09 PM)
This verse never say it's directed to Christians who wants to obey and do what is pleasing to God or it's directed to self righteous legalist. It's directed to people who put their confidence (or justification) before God by what they do (Performance).

because the following verse (V3 & 5) explains it.

Galatians 5:3 (NIV) -  Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.
It's not just on ceremonial laws but the entire law as 1 composite.

The righteousness under the New Covenant is by Grace through "Faith".

Galatians 5:5 (NIV) - For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope.

Meaning this is given to you apart from your works. It's a grace gift. YES, read the preceding chapter as well in Galatians 4, where it tells us, to get rid of the Slave woman and her son who represents Mount Sinai Covenant. Get rid of that old covenant where you are justified by your performance.

As for your argument that there are Old Testament Saints who are righteous by their acts to counter Romans 3:10, understand what you said about Adam's original sin, it's not a fallacy. because if you read in Hebrews 11 verse 30, even with their righteous act and commendable faith, they could not receive Salvation. (Read Hebrews 11:13-16) for context of what is promised.

Sorry but that debunks what you accuse as false doctrine, it is in the scripture.

You need to stop all these label throwing traits, doesn't look good on you.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Oct 8 2020, 01:23 PM)
The first revelation of the Decalogue in Exodus 20, the 4th commandment tells Israel to observe the Sabbath because it’s to remember creation
Therefore it is binding to all His creation.

In Deuteronomy 5, the reason to remember Sabbath became different:
It is to remember that God brought them out of Egypt, and this became the condition of Covenant for Israel.
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If it was binding to All creation, why does 99% of Christians fail to observe the Sabbath proper?
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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Oct 8 2020, 04:05 PM)
Yo thomas,

https://sibkl.org.my/
but, but my grandma say kristianity is white man religion  tongue.gif
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Is it true that your senior pastor's wife recently made a prophecy about blowing the shofar and the end of Covid 19?
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Oct 12 2020, 01:28 PM)
I assume your question is why don’t we keep the Jewish sabbath on a Saturday now?

Simply put, the Sabbath of the OT has been replaced by the Lord’s day in the New Testament.

It was only mentioned once in Revelations:
It’s a technical term that only appears once in NT.

The sabbath rest is called a shadow in Col. and Heb. (IIANM), pointing to the ultimate fulfilment of rest in Jesus Christ.

The apostles always gathered ‘on the first day’ of the week in scriptures.

There was barely any contention whether the Lord’s day is on Sunday in the first couple of hundred years of Christianity. It just was, and I believe rightfully so.
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1) The next question will be "What is the Lord's day?"
You are assuming it is SUNday. The Lord's day is only mentioned once in scriptures. And its a long stretch to equate it to Sunday.
Its equated to Sunday because it has always been taught that the Lord rose on Sunday. Which is not too true in itself.
It has become a tradition without much root in truth of scriptures.

2) And the term "the first day of the week" is another contentious term.

The term itself is a badly translated phrase, presumably by someone who wants Sunday resurrection or who has no inkling of Jewish traditions.
This phrase "first day of the week" has caused many to think that Jesus rose on the Sunday morning.

"μια των σαββατων" (mia ton sabbaton) as translated as the above is translated as "first/one of the Sabbaths".
There is a good reason for this. This is the first Sabbath of the 7 Sabbaths counting as instructed by God in Lev 23:15

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15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.


The 8 times that this phrase is used in the NT, it points to Pentecost, which is the 50th day after Firstfruits.
Jews call this the counting of the Omer.

"First day of the week" would be translated as " πρώτη ημέρα της εβδομάδας"
próti iméra tis evdomádas.

So in effect, there is NO phrase as 'first day of the week" as used in those 8 times in the NT.

If you do a study of the resurrection week, using the Lord's festivals in Leviticus, you will come up with a Wed 3pm death of the Lord and the resurrection on the evening of Saturday. And this fits perfectly with the prophetic sign that the Lord gave to the Jewish leaders, 3 days and 3 nights.

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38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


Many traditional believers have tried to sweep this under the carpets by poor arguments. This is the Lord's ONLY prophetic sign. It is an EXACT sign to the unbelievers at the time. Unless this happens Exactly as He prophesied, He is a false prophet. That is the Truth of it. And it happened as He prophesied.
Exactly 3 days and 3 nights late He resurrected.



John was most likely alluding the Lord's day to the Sabbath proper. Which is highly plausible to a Jew.

I am not a 7th day Adventist, in case you are wondering.
I am just a Truth seeker and trying to clear myself of Roman cobwebs of lying traditions. smile.gif

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Oct 13 2020, 08:34 AM)
Despite all the different calendars being used, we know that the first day (where Mary came to the tomb and discovered Jesus is not there anymore) is after the Sabbath, which is Sunday. I think the pattern is set there. (On the day the disciples discovered Jesus has risen, not exactly when He has risen).

Pentecost was 50 days later, the beginning of the Church, also a Sunday.

Am I missing something? hmm.gif
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You are still assuming that Jesus rose at the same time Mary et al came to the tomb.
And note that a Jewish day starts in the evening, not midnight.
So, if you study the scriptures, you will come up with a 3 day and 3 night Exact prophecy of Jesus to demonstrate that HE is indeed the Messiah.

You are trying hard to connect to a day which has no place in the Jewish world. They do no even name their days apart from the Sabbath.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 13 2020, 09:14 AM)
That is the answer. You asked the question whether justification is the same as Salvation. I answered you basically no.
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Ohhhh....i love to watch this space.

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