If your teachings are bad, what of your 'good works"?

I have been saying that Hyper grace is heresy. You reading well?

The mormons and JWs have LOTS of charitable works too! LOL

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Passover starts.

The Mystery of the Passover Cup
by David Brickner |March 01 2002
What does the Jewish Bible say about a Passover cup?
The Passover cup is one of the central symbols of this holiday known as the Feast of Redemption. Yet the original Passover story makes no mention whatsoever of a cup. In fact, the only biblical mention of a cup in connection with Passover is in the New Testament. When Jesus celebrated this feast with His disciples He raised a cup at least twice during the meal to make important statements about Himself (Luke 22:17, 20). What is the significance of the cup Jesus uses during His Passover observance?

Cup Symbolism in the Jewish Bible
Throughout the Hebrew Scriptures the cup is often used as a symbol of God's judgment. For example, the cup of fury, the cup of judgment, the cup of trembling and the cup of horror and desolation appear throughout the Old Testament. Yet we also find the Psalmist crying out, "I will take up the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the Lord" (Psalm 116:13). So the symbol of the cup carries with it pictures of both wrath and redemption, of judgment and blessing.

None of these references mentions the Passover. Yet, the themes of judgment and salvation are woven together beautifully in the Passover story. God poured out His judgment on the Egyptians, but spared the Israelites who obeyed Him by placing the blood of a lamb on the doorposts of their homes. Each year Jewish families retell these events through the seder, the ceremonial meal that commemorates Passover.



Not One Cup but Four
Yet, how the cup became a Passover symbol remains a mystery. We do know that by the time Jesus observed the Passover, drinking a cup during the meal was an official part of the observance. In fact, an ancient rabbinic source, the Mishnah, instructs those celebrating to drink from the cup four times during the Passover seder (Pesahim 10:1). That tradition remains to this day.

Each time the cup is filled, it has a different name. Opinions vary as to what certain cups actually symbolize. Most agree that the first cup is the Kiddush, which means sanctification. With this cup, we begin the Passover seder. The second cup is called the cup of plagues. The third cup is referred to as either the cup of redemption or the cup of blessing. The fourth cup is often called hallel which means praise, though some traditions call it the cup of acceptance while still others use it as the cup of Elijah. The latter combine the second cup (plagues) with hallel—because we praise God for the plagues He used to bring us out of Egypt.

Jewish tradition says little else about the cups—though we're told they should be filled with red wine to remind us of the blood of the Passover lamb.

Jesus and the Third Passover Cup
The New Testament names one of the cups—the cup taken after supper, which is traditionally the third cup. Jesus calls this cup "the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you" (Luke 22:20). The Apostle Paul calls it, "the cup of blessing which we bless," as well as "the cup of the Lord" (1 Corinthians 10:16,21).

Both Jesus and Paul draw on something from Jewish tradition to provide insights not previously understood. By calling the cup "the new covenant in my blood," Jesus makes a direct reference to the promise of Jeremiah 31. God had declared that He would make a new covenant because the previous covenant had become "broken" (Jeremiah 31:32). To violate a covenant agreement with God would surely incur His wrath and judgment—a terrible cup! But instead, God promised a new covenant of grace and salvation.

Jesus declared that this new covenant would be poured from the cup of salvation in His blood. The cup of redemption stood for more than the Hebrews' escape from Egypt; it stood for the plan and purpose of God for all the ages. Judgment and salvation, wrath and redemption are brought together in the mystery of one cup, explained by the Messiah in that upper room. Jesus was not speaking of the cup in a purely symbolic manner. He was describing events that would soon occur in His own life.

The Agony of Judgment and the Promise of Blessing
Later that evening in the garden of Gethsemane He cried out to the Lord in anguished prayer, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done" (Luke 22:42). In His humanity, Jesus could wish that this cup of judgment—the one that everyone except Him deserved for breaking of God's covenant—would pass over Him. Yet, as the obedient Son of God, Jesus knew that the cup of blessing could only be poured out for the salvation of many if He would first drink the cup of God's judgment on all humanity.

Despite the agony of separation from the Father, our Lord was willing to drink this cup, to bear this judgment, to suffer this horror and death that we might be free and forgiven. No wonder the Apostle Paul calls this "the cup of blessing which we bless." What greater blessing can there be than that which Messiah purchased for us in His death, burial and resurrection?

In calling this the cup of blessing as it was known in the Jewish Passover, the Apostle Paul points out the powerful connection between Passover and Holy Communion. The roots of this sacrament are sunk deep in the eternal plan of God, which is unfolded through the pages of Scripture, as well as in the traditions of God's chosen people, the Jews.

This cup embodies the problem of judgment as well as the promise of redemption. It reminds me of another cup that blends the problem and the promise.

Redemption and Forgiveness: a Pre-Passover Story
Do you remember the story of Joseph and his brothers? After they betrayed and sold him into slavery in Egypt, God exalted Joseph to a place of great prominence and power. During a famine his brothers came to Egypt to buy grain. They didn't recognize the mighty prince of Egypt as their own brother, yet Joseph recognized them. He kept his identity a secret and demanded that they return with their youngest brother, to prove they weren't spies.

Joseph had a plan. He hid his own silver cup in his youngest brother's sack of grain. As the sons of Israel were returning home for the second time, Joseph's soldiers intercepted them. They found Joseph's cup and accused Benjamin of theft. That cup became an indictment against Benjamin and a symbol of judgment—certain death, as far as the brothers could see. They all tore their clothes in horror and returned with Benjamin to Egypt.

There they discovered the true identity of the prince of Egypt and were reunited with the brother who had every right to execute all but the youngest—not for his silver cup—but for selling him into slavery. The cup that brought them back to Egypt was, to them, a symbol of judgment and death. Yet, it became the occasion for redemption and forgiveness.

Redemption in the Passover
How I long for my Jewish people to find redemption and healing and forgiveness in the cup of the New Covenant, through Messiah Yeshua (Jesus). I pray that every gospel tract our Jews for Jesus staff distributes, every book or video we mail, every personal visit we conduct may become like that cup of Joseph, hidden away for God's purpose, leading to final salvation in Jesus. As we remember the story of Passover, as we celebrate the triumph of the Lamb (often during the season of Jesus' resurrection). Won't you join me in praying that the mystery of this cup of blessing, which we bless, will be made known to the Jewish people as well?

https://jewsforjesus.org/newsletter-mar-200...he-passover-cup

Yes. The TRUTH of the matter.

Statistically ......

Jesus fulfilled over 300+ prophecies of the old testament . This was written by different prophets in different places in different eras inspired by God.

A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. It set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Christ.

The probability that Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight such prophecies would be only 1 in 10^17. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000.

Stoner claims that that many silver dollars would be enough to cover the face of the entire state of Texas two feet deep. Now I've been to Texas. I've driven for days to get across Texas. Texas is a very big state. Who in his right mind would suppose that a blindfolded man, heading out of Dallas by foot in any direction, would be able, on his very first attempt, to pick up one specifically marked silver dollar out of 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000?

https://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/jesus-odds.html

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https://www.history.com/news/was-jesus-real...orical-evidence

These sources of the historical Jesus are from non biblical sources.

Anyone seen God? Yeah...the disciples did. So they wrote it down as the good news to mankind.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? - John 14:9

Many have asked to see God. Look at Jesus of the bible. That is God.

The biggest proof of God was the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. Jesus was not just about words, but a demonstration of Truth.
This resurrection demonstrated the power of Jesus over life and death. There are 2 sureties in life. Taxes and death.
Mankind has never able to conquer death. Jesus in His resurrection showed us all that He is Lord over life and death, the ALMIGHTY.

i thought this may be a better forum for discussion than K.

Like i mentioned,those are prophetic appointed times(Moedim) of the Lord. They are NOT Jewish festivals we understand ethnic festivals.

When culture overrides God's truth, which one takes precedence? THat is the problem with Easter especially.
The observation of the laws and ordinances did not bring salvation. It never did. Never will.
Salvation from Adam to the present is always by faith in God.

Another thing. There was NO TALMUD in those days. Talmud was written/compiled in the 4th century. Many presume that the Judaism of today is the same as that of the patriachs. It is not.

Now, i am not saying there is a requirement for gentiles to celebrate the feasts.
However, when man made festivals present a false picture of God's prophetic calender, it should be thrown out.
How do you get 3 days and 3 nights from Fri to Sunday?
Bear in mind, this is the prophecy given by the Lord Jesus Himself of His Messiahship.

"Your post was reported"

i guess we cannot discuss sensitive Christian issues either.

i know it is not you. That's the reason i find it rather astounding that someone would report my post. Especially in a rather 'private' forum.

Yeah. Better to clarify to avoid misunderstanding.

For sharing with you:

First of all, Mat 12:40 is xtremely important as it was sign given by Jesus to the leadership of the religious body of the day.
Hence, It is fundamental to working out the chronology. Tries Hemera Treis Nux- 3 days and 3 nights

A Jewish day starts in the evening at sundown.
An unblemished lamb was chosen on the 10Nisan and kept till 14Nisan for killing. -The entry into Jerusalem.
Jesus celebrated the Passover with His disciples at the end of 13Nisan/start of 14Nisan. They are allowed to eat the Passsover between the evenings.
Most translations missed this phrase out in Exodus 12:6 but has an footnote.
6 `And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings;-YTL
Only Young's Literal Translation captured the Jewish idea of between the evenings. This allows for the time required for the thousands of lambs to be sacrified for Passover at the temple.
Jesus died at 3pm the following day which was still 14Nisan. Most Jews will eat the Passover at the start of the Feast of Unleaven Bread.

The chronology would be
Sundown 14Nisan Last supper
3pm Wed 14 Nisan Jesus died and was taken down from the cross as the next day was ( Night 1)
15Nisan Feast of Unleaven Bread - A High Sabbath- ( John19:31 Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day). The High Sabbath is a special Feast day which is a Sabbath, not necessarily coinciding with the 7th day Sabbath.(Day 1, Night2)
16Nisan (Day 2, Night3)
17Nisan -7th Day Sabbath (Day 3)- Jesus resurrected before Sundown going to 18Nisan
18Nisan- Feast of FirstFruits

Another thing which throws many off is the phrase, "First day of the week".



Modernists call it Sunday.
In the original Greek text, there is no such phrase. It is a badly translated phrase. The mistranslation has probably led many to believe that Jesus rose on a Sunday.

"μια των σαββατων“ (mia ton sabbaton) should be translated as "first/one of the Sabbaths". There is a reason for this.



It is the counting of the 7 Sabbaths from Firstfruits to Shavout(Pentecost) as instructed by God. Jews call it the counting of the Omer.

In the 8 times that this phrase "mia ton Sabbaton" is used in the NT, it points to Pentecost.







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http://www.orthodoxchurchmy.com/

Assumed you had a detailed look at their sites.

What happened to this bro unknown warrior?
Is everything ok with you?

Hope so. He stopped since Dec2021.

unknown warrior