QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 10 2019, 08:15 AM)
This is where you misunderstand as proven right what I said the 1st time, people put their words into my mouth.
You think when I say look away = go ahead to sin.
How does one know? Since the beginning of time when God created Man in his image, that comes together with moral conscious built in. Even before the 10 commandment was given, Man and woman already know what is wrong, what is fear, etc.
And as written in Hebrews 10:15-16, same thing.
15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First He says:
16“This is the covenant I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord.
I will put My laws in their hearts
and inscribe them on their minds.”bI do think every Christians already know the 10 commandments. Even unbelievers have heard of it. So to say how to know is really a misnomer.
HEBREWS.8:7-13 (NKJV) = A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
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We have to cross-reference HEB.10:15-16 with HEB.8:7-13 to get the true interpretation and correct context.
....... God made His Old Covenant with the Jews through Moses. Then God originally made His New Covenant with the Jews of the house of Israel and Judah through Jesus Christ, and not with the Gentiles. The Jews were already well-versed with His laws/commandments, not with the Gentiles. The New Covenant was later extended to the Gentiles through apostle Paul.
So, "My laws" at HEBREWS above referred to the 613 laws of Moses Law as applied to the Jews of the house of Israel and Judah, and not just the well-known 10 Commandments or built-in moral consciousness as applied to later Gentile believers.
For Gentile Christians, God had lovingly exempted them from the burdensome parts of Moses Law or His laws at ACTS.15:19-29 & 21:20-25, ROMANS.14:1-4, eg they did not have to be circumcised, eat only kosher/clean foods, etc. God required them to begin their new born-again spiritual babes-in-Christ lives by keeping just 4 simple, non-burdensome or essential laws of Moses, ie avoid eating blood, strangled animal sacrifice, foods offered to idols and committing sexual immorality. Thereafter, they should gradually learn to keep the other non-burdensome or essential laws of God, especially morality laws, eg the 10 Commandments, DEUT.18:9-14, LEV.10:9, etc. This was how God implanted His laws into the hearts and minds of most new Gentile Christians adults.
In comparison, having easily implanted His laws, God required new Jewish Christians like the 12 apostles, to continue to keep His laws, as many of the 613 laws as possible, because they were not a burden to them.
Before conversion, most Gentiles do not know the actual 10 Commandments at EXODUS.20:1-17, even though they may have heard about it.
ROMANS.11:16-24 said that the Gentiles had been the branch of a wild olive tree that was grafted into the Jews' branch of a natural olive tree; and warned that Gentile Christians could be cut off from the grafted wild branch if they did not continue in His goodness = they continued in Satan's evilness or lawlessness - cf; 1COR.6:9-11.
It is common sense that God could easily implant His laws into the hearts and mind of believing Jews, compared to believing Gentiles because most Gentiles had led wild or lawless lives from childhood - cf; 2TIM.3:14-17. It is false to say that God can easily implant His laws into the hearts and mind of new Gentile Christians because they had been born with moral consciousness and the 10 Commandments is well known among the Gentile public..
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 10 2019, 08:15 AM)
I do think every Christians already know the 10 commandments. Even unbelievers have heard of it. So to say how to know is really a misnomer. When scripture says that 10 commandments = Ministry of death, basically, what God is saying, you will NEVER be able to justify yourself in being righteous by his laws because God's law was never design to make anyone holy or to save them. But the reverse, the more you try to adhere to it, trespasses will abound even more..meaning the more you try the more you will end up sinning.
Romans 3:20 (KJV) - Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Am I saying God's law = Sin?
No. God's law is holy but it becomes death for anyone who thinks they can self justify thought it because God's standard is just too high.
People just forget, our righteousness is as dirty as a women sanitary napkin.
Read this through and you'll know what I say is correct.
Romans 7:7-25
God’s Law Is Holy
7What then shall we say? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed, I would not have been mindful of sin if not for the law. For I would not have been aware of coveting if the law had not said, “Do not covet.”a 8But sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from the law, sin is dead.
9Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10So I discovered that the very commandment that was meant to bring life actually brought death. 11For sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through the commandment put me to death.
12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good.
Struggling with Sin
13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? Certainly not! But in order that sin might be exposed as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. 17In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. 20And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. 23But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!
What Romans 7:8 is saying, Sin is only alive through God's law and not anywhere else. (1 Corinthians 15:56 - The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.)
Look at verse 25!
That is why I say...look away from OT God's law and look to Christ.
ROMANS.5:12-21 = Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Again, ROMANS.7:25 has to be cross-referenced back to ROMANS.5:12-21, in order to get the true interpretation, ie Man could only be saved from hell or spiritual death that was caused by Adam's Original Sin, by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, and not by keeping the Law.
GAL.3:24 said that the Law only served to bring the Jews to Christ for salvation through justification by faith. IOW, the Law is useless when it comes to salvation or if a person wants to be saved from hell when he/she dies. But this fact about salvation does not mean that the Law has been destroyed or done away with by Jesus Christ because the Law is still needed to help guide a Christian's remaining life on earth, especially for God to implant His non-burdensome laws into the heart and mind of the new Gentile Christian, as per HEB.8:10-11.
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We need to differentiate between involuntary sinning-in-thoughts and voluntary sinning-in-deeds. Eg of the former = immoral thoughts/desires of sexual lust, hate, anger, greed, selfishness, jealousy, fear/worry, doubt, etc. Eg of the latter = murder, adultery, stealing, bearing false witness, etc. The former sin may lead to or bear fruit into the latter sins.The spiritual source of the involuntary former sin is Satan through the resultant curse of Adam's Original Sin.
....... The former involuntary sinning-in-thoughts results in Man being hell-bound or spiritual death after physical death. The latter voluntary sinning-in-deeds results in being cursed by God with a calamitous, sad and short life on earth. The cure for both sin-problems is the Word(= including His laws/commandments) or Jesus Christ.This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 13 2019, 10:43 PM