It's very relevant because it will indicate one's position. Simple question.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 10 2019, 11:58 AM

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That is not right wrt God creating Man in His image with moral consciousness built-in. .......

GENESIS.2:16-17 = . 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

The moral consciousness of Man only came into him when Adam broke God's 1st-ever commandment/law by eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

On top of that, this Original Sin caused Man to experience spiritual death(= bound for hell)and to be further cursed by God at GENESIS.3:14-19, eg Man has to suffer spiritual enmity with Satan = Satan can occasionally plant sinful/evil thoughts in his heart and mind, eg immoral sexual lust, hate, anger, greed, selfishness, jealousy, fears/worries, doubts, etc, ... in order to get him to voluntarily commit sins, especially for him to commit grave sins and die young so that Satan/demons can eat his decaying body as it returns to dust.

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ROMANS.7: = 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

In general, people without God's Law, even though they have moral consciousness or the knowledge of good and evil, are carnal and will often fall into Satan's testing and temptations, go and commit sins or lawlessness willfully = hence we have a mostly rotten world since GENESIS.4. For Christians, the right antidote or medicine for this spiritual problem is as per MATTHEW.4:1-11 = Jesus Christ, filled with the Holy Spirit of God, overcame Satan's testing and temptations with the Word of God quoted from the Old Testament, and not with moral consciousness = Word/Law-abiding Christians walking in the Spirit who do not wallow in the mud of sins/law-breaking like pigs.

Should the Church be without any laws/rules and regulations/order of service, and just rely on the Christian members' moral consciousness to do what is good.?
Should a country be without any laws and just rely on her citizens' moral consciousness to do what is good.?
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1COR.6:9-11 = 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

The apostle Paul stated that many new Gentile Christian adults(= Corinthian Christians) were formerly serious law-breakers/sinners when they were carnal and lawless Gentiles. .He warned them not to return to their former sins/law-breaking and continue in the sins. If they did, they would have lost their inheritance in the kingdom of God, eg if a Gentile Christian today willfully return to the sin of homosexual-sex and sodomy unrepentantly, he will likely get HIV+, and then lose faith and salvation while dying horribly from AIDS and/or other STDs. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God - HEB.10:26-31.

But I wasn't talking about one's position. That's why I asked you, are you not reading correctly what I've posted?

You seem to be trailing off to something irrelevant.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 10 2019, 12:49 PM

No, that is where you are wrong. Before adam took the fruit, God already told Him of what is wrong with eating that one forbidden fruit. Adam fully understood that.

and No, neither am I talking about references to what you're saying about relying citizen's moral conscious.

Your conclusion is what's incorrect from what I read. Again, is adultery sin or not? What does it mean by sin no more?

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 10 2019, 01:22 PM

Conclusion of what exactly?

Of turning away from the Commandments.

But I didn't say that.

Go ahead, point it out, where did I say that?

What does look away mean then?

Is adultery a sin?

Does the 10 Commandments causes you to sin?

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 10 2019, 01:44 PM

So do you admit, you didn't bother to read properly of the entirety of what I post or you want to continue in your presumption of your miscomprehension?

It's the same meaning. Does the 10 Commandments causes you to sin?

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 10 2019, 01:50 PM

No it's not and you are putting your words into my mouth.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 10 2019, 01:53 PM

So you are saying it means different thing?

Of course different when you put the entirety of what I've said.

I said...look away from OT God's law and look to Christ.

What does that means to you?

That's why I asked the simple questions which you are evading because I want to know the practical aspect of this statement.

1) Are the 10 Commandments irrelevant now?
2) Does the 10 commandments causes you to sin?

Supposing that we both agree God is the one who grants grace to the believer, I'm still waiting for your answers to the above.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 10 2019, 01:59 PM

Not evading but needed you to completely understand the preposition first of what I've said because otherwise you'll never understand the next explanation.

Many pages back I've already made this statement. People who argue against what I share think by the phrase looking away from 10 commandment = asking you to sin.

And I've proven to be right in this.

Do you concede that no where am I asking Christians to sin? I need that affirmation first because I really do hate slanders or people putting their words into my mouth.

Yes I agree you didn't ask Christians to sin. But the practical aspect of your teaching is exactly that. Just believe (mental assent) and boom....That's why I'm asking those simple questions.

Thank you and you should know by now, there is no ill intention.

the very intention of all that I share is to get people "OUT" of sin according to God's word not get in.

So would appreciate if you or anyone stop all that buruk prasangka towards me.

Yes I will explain but please do remember it's with good intention.

Give me a minute. brb