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post Oct 29 2019, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Oct 29 2019, 09:49 AM)
Also curious how equipment from all over the place talk to each other.
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Semua belajar ngomong Indon loh. laugh.gif

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post Oct 29 2019, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Oct 29 2019, 01:47 AM)
We would need a lot of OPVs to 24/7 patrol our SCS EEZ

Then got the rest of our coast also lagi... pinoy side...

If we could get voters to allocate lets say another Rm 5 billion to the annual security budget for this purpose alone, let's say to mass produce and operate those MMEA OPVs... how many could we put into the water?
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Even with the new 3 opv, i can guarantee only one will do patrol at one time, the second one is under maintenance and the third one is on standby. desway ideally we buy stuff like ship, boats or helo in 3s; 2 is a bit of stretch because no backup
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post Oct 29 2019, 01:01 PM

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Bundeswehr finding difficulties in replacing the G36

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TL:DR

Basically:

- Reports of G36 malfunctions by a small group greatly magnified by sensational press, dubbing it 'the G36 Scandal'.
- German gov under pressure, without even investigating thoroughly via a commission or investigative bodies, announced a prompt retirement for the G36 rifle.
- Later commission determines that no such danger of malfunction has ever been recorded.
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Officially, there will be several reports from the commissions on Wednesday (tomorrow) which, on behalf of the Ministry of Defense, dealt with the problems of the G36 assault rifle, the Bundeswehr's standard weapon. Already on (today) Tuesday, however, details from two reports have already leaked. A now little surprising, but interesting finding: The Commission to investigate the use of the G36 assault rifle in combat situations, directed by the former Greens deputy Winfried Nachtwei and the former Wehrbeauftragten Hellmut Königshaus, has found no evidence after file study and especially after questioning soldiers that deficiencies in the accuracy of the rifle have led to problems in foreign missions of the Bundeswehr or even Soldiers would have endangered.

The surveyed soldiers denied consistently, to have detected precision deficiencies in the battle , it is said after a preliminary deregistration of the Saxon newspaper in the report of the Nachtwei commission, which is the sheet according to own data. Also, there would have been no evidence of a specific threat to soldiers due to the precision behavior of the G36 . On the other hand, positive experiences with the weapon were emphasized by the experienced soldiers: We always felt superior to the G36 in the firefight, and this in particular because we were able to target a relatively small amount of ammunition , the newspaper quoted a platoon leader who said in 2009 Afghanistan was in action. The so-called ambush scenario with the delivery of numerous shots in rapid succession is also assessed by the surveyed soldiers as unrealistic.
- However, the G36 looks aset to be replaced anyway.
- German gov sets some very unrealistic requirements for the new rifle (low weight of less than 3.6kg, yet powerful and penetrative). Experts say the requirements can only be realistically addressed by a 7.62mm weapon, yet the weight restrictions rule out many rifles of this caliber.
- Gov claimed H&K failed in its submission.
- H&K pissed, saying the French has no problem replacing their weapons with H&K products and suspects foul play. Gov claim the french requirement is different to their own.
- Next round of testing will only be done around second quarter of 2020. Many unanswered question remain.
- Issues of replacing G36 doesn't look like it's going to settled soon.


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post Oct 29 2019, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 29 2019, 09:30 AM)
Singkie will triggered? laugh.gif
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Definitely....
Sinkie also have a project to upgrade their 60 units of F16 blok 52 to viper. But if indon really buys a brand new 2 sq F16V then it willl be a close gap between them and that is not a good news for sinkie. Probably sinkie will accelerate to acquire F-35.

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post Oct 29 2019, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Oct 29 2019, 12:29 PM)
Even with the new 3 opv, i can guarantee only one will do patrol at one time, the second one is under maintenance and the third one is on standby. desway ideally we buy stuff like ship, boats or helo in 3s; 2 is a bit of stretch because no backup
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As I understand it, 3 ship readiness cycle is more applicable to large craft like destroyers, travelling to far away stations, and more complicated operations which require more training such as surface and ASW combat

OPVs and coastal patrol craft which have less complex machinery and less demanding tasks tend to be able to run 2 ship cycles and especially if the operations area isn't far off, which is the case for us

You'll notice we deploy our ships, even our frigates, in pairs

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 29 2019, 01:01 PM)
Bundeswehr finding difficulties in replacing the G36

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Modern Germans have no brains anyway, only know how to sell things

BTW Militarymadness I noticed your profile pic... do you know the history behind it? biggrin.gif

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Navantia offer this Joint Support Ship to Australia, and said they could try a shorter variant for RMN MRSS too

It's a descendant, by way of the Galicia class, of the Enforcer class design

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post Oct 29 2019, 08:47 PM

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spotted a Ka 27 or what I think is a Ka 27 at Port Klang today.....
what's the occasion? new sales pitch to Mahathir ka? biggrin.gif tongue.gif

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Indonesian Air Force to procure two F-16 Viper squadrons

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Pekanbaru, Riau (ANTARA) - The Indonesian Air Force (TNI AU) plans to acquire in stages two squadrons of super sophisticated fighter jets F-16 Block 72 Viper from Lockheed Martin until 2024.

"Insya Allah (God willing), we will buy two squadrons in the next strategic plan 2020-2024. We will purchase the newest type of Block 72 Viper," Air Force Chief of Staff Marshal Yuyu Sutisna stated at the Roesmin Nurjadin Airbase in Pekanbaru, the capital of Riau Province, on Monday.

He noted that Indonesia currently relies on F-16, the highly preferred fighter jets in the world. In total, the country has 33 F-16 Fighting Falcons that have, until now, been one of the main weaponry of the Air Force.

The fighter jets are stationed at squadron 16 of the Roesmin Nurjadin Airbase in Pekanbaru, Riau Province, and squadron 3 of Iswahjudi Airbase in Madiun, East Java.

Looking ahead, Indonesia will continue to rely on F-16s by purchasing Block 72 Viper to safeguard the Indonesian air space, he stated.

"It (the proposal for the purchase of F-16 Block 72 Viper) is expected to be processed as of January 1, 2020, so they (F-16 Block 72 Viper) will increase our strength. If we have them, we will be among those having sophisticated F-16s," he explained.

The air force chief of staff pointed to the presence of over three thousand F-16s worldwide. The use of the US-made fighter jets has contributed success to military operations.

"The fact that several countries use them, and their number is large means they have very good reliability," he noted.

The TNI AU also plans to buy Russian-made Sukhoi 35 fighter jets in the next five years, he stated.


Read more: https://en.antaranews.com/news/135508/indon...rons#mobile-nav


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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Oct 29 2019, 08:47 PM)
spotted a Ka 27 or what I think is a Ka 27 at Port Klang today.....
what's the occasion? new sales pitch to Mahathir ka? biggrin.gif tongue.gif
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prolly this

MAKS 2019: Malaysian company to buy 5 VRT500 light helicopter
https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/ar...helicopter.html

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Gagal siap reka bentuk terperinci punca 6 kapal TLDM lewat diterima

KUALA LUMPUR - Kegagalan pihak kontraktor menyiapkan reka bentuk terperinci mengikut tempoh dan kelewatan memuktamadkan perolehan sebahagian besar peralatan di bawah tanggungjawab mereka menjadi antara punca kelewatan penerimaan enam kapal Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) jenis kapal tempur pesisir pantai (LCS).

Menteri Pertahanan, Mohamad Sabu berkata, selain itu keadaan kualiti kerja yang tidak memuaskan, tidak mengikut spesifikasi sehingga berlaku kerja berulang, dan kerja-kerja tertangguh yang tinggi juga menjadi penyebab aset TLDM yang sepatutnya mula diterima April lepas tidak diterima sehingga kini.

Mohamad berkata, kementerian itu bagaimanapun tidak boleh menghentikan pembelian kerana telah membayar kos sebanyak RM6 bilion.

“Kami akan berusaha untuk memastikan ia dapat siap mengikut jadual yang telah diberi pihak kontraktor. Sepatutnya kapal yang pertama dijangka siap pada April tahun ini, tetapi dimaklumkan ia hanya akan siap pada Februari 2022,” katanya pada sesi penggulungan perbahasan Rang Undang-Undang Perbekalan 2020 di Dewan Rakyat hari ini.

Beliau berkata, hal itu juga akan menyebabkan berlaku kelewatan penerimaan terhadap lima kapal yang lain.
Artikel Penuh : https://www.sinarharian.com.my/article/5462...-lewat-diterima
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saw this on FB around 2018 about the ship...kinda expect this to become news since PH win but surprise it took almost a year...

someone snap the pic and show the work done was not up to standard...mainly due the worker are newbie and supervision was lack..also lack/late of fund also contribute to this... but its the poster word on FB before so take it as it...

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post Oct 30 2019, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Oct 29 2019, 03:41 PM)

Modern Germans have no brains anyway, only know how to sell things


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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 29 2019, 01:01 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

TL:DR

Basically:

- Reports of G36 malfunctions by a small group greatly magnified by sensational press, dubbing it 'the G36 Scandal'.
- German gov under pressure, without even investigating thoroughly via a commission or investigative bodies, announced a prompt retirement for the G36 rifle.
- Later commission determines that no such danger of malfunction has ever been recorded.
- However, the G36 looks aset to be replaced anyway.
- German gov sets some very unrealistic requirements for the new rifle (low weight of less than 3.6kg, yet powerful and penetrative). Experts say the requirements can only be realistically addressed by a 7.62mm weapon, yet the weight restrictions rule out many rifles of this caliber.
- Gov claimed H&K failed in its submission.
- H&K pissed, saying the French has no problem replacing their weapons with H&K products and suspects foul play. Gov claim the french requirement is different to their own.
- Next round of testing will only be done around second quarter of 2020. Many unanswered question remain.
- Issues of replacing G36 doesn't look like it's going to settled soon.
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actually what happen at german???saw some poster on reddit before about this and most user bash german govt about it...apparently they fuck up somehow...and its become streak for them now...


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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Oct 30 2019, 01:00 PM)
actually what happen at german???saw some poster on reddit before about this and most user bash german govt about it...apparently they fuck up somehow...and its become streak for them now...
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Maybe CG HAENEL will win lorh.
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post Oct 30 2019, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Oct 30 2019, 01:00 PM)
actually what happen at german???saw some poster on reddit before about this and most user bash german govt about it...apparently they fuck up somehow...and its become streak for them now...
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Basically someone gave out a sensational report of german troops somewhere having issues with their G36 rifles losing accuracy either from usage in hot climate or sustained fire. It was claimed that the plastic part that held the metal barrel would warp in either condition and misalign the barrel. This in itself is strange since the rifle and its variants have been in active service for 30 years in many battlefields with many armed forces with no complaints whatsoever.

The German government, under media pressure caved in and ordered the replacement of the G36 without verifying the problem in the first place. When a commission later found out the report to be bogus and no german troops anywhere reported such a malfunction with their G36 rifles, it was already too late, as the defence ministry has set the wheels in motion to find a new service rifle.

While looking for a new service rifle in itself would be a difficult task, the defence ministry gave out certain specifications in the new service rifle that weapons experts think is pretty contradictory. For one, it wanted a weapon with a maximum weight of 3.6kg, however it also wanted a weapon with a level of power and penetration more suited with a heavier 7.62mm weapon. While no mention of cartridge size is specifically stated on the requirements, it is unlikely the defence ministry wants a heavier 7.62mm weapon.

Then on the first round of prototype testing, it was revealed that ALL of the competitors had failed some of the preliminary test. H&K, one of the protoype who failed is pissed off, claiming that the defence ministry is making unreasonable demands and referring to the French Army's decision to rearm itself with H&K's HK416 proving the worth of its products. The defence ministry only replied that the requirements of the french Army is different to its own.


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QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 30 2019, 01:06 PM)
Maybe CG HAENEL will win lorh.
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dont know la bro....i only follow if got news only...dont follow closely about this

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 30 2019, 01:21 PM)
Basically someone gave out a sensational report of german troops somewhere having issues with their G36 rifles losing accuracy either from usage in hot climate or sustained fire. It was claimed that the plastic part that held the metal barrel would warp in either condition and misalign the barrel. This in itself is strange since the rifle and its variants have been in active service for 30 years in many battlefields with many armed forces with no complaints whatsoever.

The German government, under media pressure caved in and ordered the replacement of the G36 without verifying the problem in the first place. When a commission later found out the report to be bogus and no german troops anywhere reported such a malfunction with their G36 rifles, it was already too late, as the defence ministry has set the wheels in motion to find a new service rifle.

While looking for a new service rifle in itself would be a difficult task, the defence ministry gave out certain specifications in the new service rifle that weapons experts think is pretty contradictory. For one, it wanted a weapon with a maximum weight of 3.6kg, however it also wanted a weapon with a level of power and penetration more suited with a heavier 7.62mm weapon. While no mention of cartridge size is specifically stated on the requirements, it is unlikely the defence ministry wants a heavier 7.62mm weapon.

Then on the first round of prototype testing, it was revealed that ALL of the competitors had failed some of the preliminary test. H&K, one of the protoype who failed is pissed off, claiming that the defence ministry is making unreasonable demands and referring to the French Army's decision to rearm itself with H&K's HK416 proving the worth of its products. The defence ministry only replied that the requirements of the french Army is different to its own.
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their govt really fucuk things....dont verified things and just move one with it...no wonder people mad at the govt...
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 30 2019, 01:21 PM)
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sound like long story short, bundeswehr sets out impossible requirement for G36 replacement as an excuse to not replace it innocent.gif
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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Oct 30 2019, 01:28 PM)
dont know la bro....i only follow if got news only...dont follow closely about this
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CG Haenel is the only major competitor for the bid aside from H&K, but as much as I love using Haenel rifles personally, I have my doubts they have sufficient production capacity to fulfill such a major contract. Even small name companies like B&T have more capacity than they do.
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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Oct 30 2019, 01:28 PM)
dont know la bro....i only follow if got news only...dont follow closely about this
their govt really fucuk things....dont verified things and just move one with it...no wonder people mad at the govt...
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Actually all this happened after a squad of German soldiers was ambushed by the Taliban in Afghanistan and was trapped in a nine-hour firefight. It resulted in three soldiers dead and many wounded..

While a nine-hour firefight can probably seriously damage any firearms however how tough they are, a greater question is on how a firefight is allowed to continue for NINE HOURS and so few air and artillery support is given to the ambushed soldiers. But of course, blame the rifles!.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 30 2019, 01:39 PM)
Actually all this happened after a squad of German soldiers was ambushed by the Taliban in Afghanistan and was trapped in a nine-hour firefight. It resulted in three soldiers dead and many wounded..

While a nine-hour firefight can probably seriously damage any firearms however how tough they are, a greater question is on how a firefight is allowed to continue for NINE HOURS and so few air and artillery support is given to the ambushed soldiers. But of course, blame the rifles!.
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kinda make me wonder how they missed the 9 hour firefight with the damage firearms with both journalist and govt...fact VS speculation is a serious problem nowadays...media keep mixing those and think it would keep the investigation going and getting the truth but rarely see the impact it got to the masses...
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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Oct 30 2019, 01:50 PM)
kinda make me wonder how they missed the 9 hour firefight with the damage firearms with both journalist and govt...fact VS speculation is a serious problem nowadays...media keep mixing those and think it would keep the investigation going and getting the truth but rarely see the impact it got to the masses...
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If the scenario happen to a US Army or marine unit, you can believe that the US military command will marshal every plane, chopper and drone capable of dropping a bomb or launching a missile to that position inside 30 minutes, flat.



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