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KLthinker91
post Nov 8 2019, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Nov 8 2019, 04:49 PM)
Sooner or later US will sell F-35 to his "friends" after his "allies"
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Baru sampai izinkan F16V to Indonesia

Belum lagi F15, F18E/F

Hajat lagi F35 lulz rolleyes.gif

Remember what happened to the previous batch of F16s? And those were only blk 30s
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post Nov 8 2019, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Nov 8 2019, 04:52 PM)
Baru sampai izinkan F16V to Indonesia

Belum lagi F15, F18E/F

Hajat lagi F35 lulz rolleyes.gif

Remember what happened to the previous batch of F16s? And those were only blk 30s
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Correct me if I'm wrong....
There news said indonesia was offered F-16V when they finally picked upgraded F-16 block 30. TNI prefer 24 units than a few units of F-16V with the same price because TNI need quantity over quality.

And also the US tried to sell F-15 to TNI to prevent buying SU-35. But TNI still chose SU-35 as they already sukhoi operator which I think the real reason is TNI still remembered the hard day when they were embargoed.
Not putting all eggs in one basket is TNI policy. TNI will let their right hand to hold US product while their left hand is free holding anything.

And I think TNI no interest in F-18 SH.

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azriel
post Nov 8 2019, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Nov 8 2019, 04:52 PM)
Baru sampai izinkan F16V to Indonesia

Belum lagi F15, F18E/F

Hajat lagi F35 lulz rolleyes.gif

Remember what happened to the previous batch of F16s? And those were only blk 30s
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Actually the F-15 and the F-18E/F was among the competitor together with Gripen, Typhoon and Rafale for the TNI-AU F-5 replacement. The frontrunner was the Su-35 which eventually was the winner.

In 2012 based from Janes article Lockheed Martin saw potential to sell the F-35 to Indonesia and Thailand.

https://internasional.kompas.com/read/2012/....Potensial.F-35

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KLthinker91
post Nov 8 2019, 05:29 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong....
There news said indonesia was offered F-16V when they finally picked upgraded F-16 block 30. TNI prefer 24 units than a few units of F-16V with the same price because TNI need quantity over quality.

And also the US tried to sell F-15 to TNI to prevent  buying SU-35. But TNI still chose SU-35 as they already sukhoi operator which I think the real reason is TNI still remembered the hard day when they were embargoed.
Not putting all eggs in one basket is TNI policy. TNI will let their right hand to hold US product while their left hand are free holding anything.

And I think TNI no interest in F-18 SH.
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I dunno, ask azriel?

I believe the new 16s are V model. The previous batch is already blk 30

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Actually the F-15 and the F-18E/F was among the competitor together with Gripen, Typhoon and Rafale for the TNI-AU F-5 replacement. The frontrunner was the Su-35 which eventually was the winner.

In 2012 based from Janes article Lockheed Martin saw potetntial to sell the F-35 to Indonesia and Thailand.

https://internasional.kompas.com/read/2012/....Potensial.F-35
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Lockmart memang lah see potential sell everything biggrin.gif

Up to politikus to decide

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post Nov 8 2019, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Nov 8 2019, 05:11 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong....
There news said indonesia was offered F-16V when they finally picked upgraded F-16 block 30. TNI prefer 24 units than a few units of F-16V with the same price because TNI need quantity over quality.

And also the US tried to sell F-15 to TNI to prevent  buying SU-35. But TNI still chose SU-35 as they already sukhoi operator which I think the real reason is TNI still remembered the hard day when they were embargoed.
Not putting all eggs in one basket is TNI policy. TNI will let their right hand to hold US product while their left hand are free holding anything.

And I think TNI no interest in F-18 SH.
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The F-18 SH was among candidates TNI-AU was looking for the F-5E replacement. The Su-35 was the frontrunner followed by F-16 Block 60/62 and Gripen NG.

https://tni-au.mil.id/mencari-pengganti-f-5e-tiger-tni-au/

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Pemilihan pesawat sebagai kandidat pengganti F-5E TNI AU dimulai dengan melirik berbagai jenis pesawat  tempur modern, diantaranya pesawat tempur Sukhoi Su-30 MKI,  F-15 SE Silent Eagle, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-16 E/F Block 60/62, Rafale-B, F-18 E/F Super Hornet,  Su Su-35 Flanker dan JAS-39 Gripen NG.  Semuanya adalah pesawat tempur modern  generasi terbaru generasi 4.5 yang secara kasar diperkirakan memenuhi  kriteria pesawat tempur strategis TNI AU.


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BRP Antonio Luna (151) - Photo by News1

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South Korea launches Philippine Navy’s second José Rizal-class frigate

Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Navy International
08 November 2019

Key Points

• South Korea has launched a second José Rizal-class frigate on order for the Philippine Navy
• The vessel is on track for delivery in 2021

South Korean shipbuilder Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) has launched the second José Rizal-class frigate on order for the Philippine Navy.

A ceremonial launch for the vessel, which will be in service as BRP Antonio Luna (151) once commissioned, was held on 8 November at Ulsan, South Korea. The programme’s first-of-class, which will be in service as BRP José Rizal (150), was launched at the same location in May 2019.

Both vessels were ordered by the Philippine Department of National under a USD337 million contract awarded to HHI in 2016.


https://www.janes.com/article/92450/south-k...l-class-frigate

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post Nov 8 2019, 07:49 PM

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Deputy Minister Proposes Defense Industry Budget Increase

Damar Iradat, Christopher Harindra - 08 November 2019 16:53 WIB

Jakarta: Deputy Minister of Defense Sakti Wahyu Trenggono will ask for an increase in the national defense industry budget to the Minister of Finance Sri Mulyani Indrawati.

"We will try as best as possible. What can be done locally will be done. It is currently being calculated," said Trenggono at the Presidential Palace Complex, Central Jakarta on Friday, November 8, 2019.

Trenggono said that his party would provide maximum opportunities to several national defense industries, such as PT Pindad, PT PAL, and PT Dirgantara Indonesia. He and Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto reviewed PT Pindad this week.

"Give them a chance so they can develop faster," he said.

President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo asked Prabowo to optimize the use of the budget in the defense sector. Jokowi wants the minimum essential force to be met even if imports of defense products or defense equipment are reduced.

The Ministry of Defense received an allocation of Rp131.2 trillion in the 2020 state budget. The figure increased by Rp21.6 trillion compared to the previous year.


https://m.medcom.id/english/national/xkE3zV...budget-increase


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post Nov 8 2019, 08:05 PM

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At least Pinoy can sail with new frigate.
Meanwhile.........delayed for 3 years and must pay extra RM 1.4 billions because already paid RM 6 bilions for incompetent work.

RM 9 billions + RM 1.4 billion = RM 10.4 billions.
TLDM can sail with FREMM with that price tag and can challenge SG formidable class.....hahaha.
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post Nov 8 2019, 08:44 PM

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Military chief discloses work plan for primary weaponry defense system

6th November 2019

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Chief of the National Defense Forces (TNI) Marshal Hadi Tahjanto (left), accompanied by Naval Chief of Staff Admiral Siwi Sukma Adji (right) unveiled a work plan during a hearing with the House of Representatives (DPR) Commission I in Jakarta on Wednesday ANTARA FOTO/Indrianto Eko Suwarso/hp.

Jakarta (ANTARA) - National Defense Forces (TNI) Chief Marshal Hadi Tahjanto unveiled the third strategic work plan for the 2019-2024 period at a hearing with the House of Representatives’ (DPR’s) Commission I in Jakarta on Wednesday.

"I have conveyed the next work program (at the hearing). The TNI will continue the (existing) work program related to the third strategic work plan for the 2019-2024 period in which we need to expedite (the procurement of) the primary weaponry defense system, including submarines. I will convey the details during a question-and-answer session," he remarked on the sidelines of the hearing with the DPR Commission I.

In conveying the work plan at the hearing held behind closed doors, he informed the DPR Commission I that the TNI had set up a new organization that requires budget funding to build its station, including office stationary.

Citing an example, he explained that the TNI had formed the Special Operation Command (Koopsus) to combat terrorism and that sufficient equipment and training were required to that end.


Read more: https://en.antaranews.com/news/136076/milit...-defense-system


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post Nov 9 2019, 10:57 AM

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Despite being a civilian, Mr. Purnomo was one of the best menhan. He was very active in procuring stuff, while Ryamizard was very mediocre.

Let's see whether Prabowo could be the best menhan ever
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At least Pinoy can sail with new frigate.
Meanwhile.........delayed for 3 years and must pay extra RM 1.4 billions because already paid RM 6 bilions for incompetent work.

RM 9 billions + RM 1.4 billion = RM 10.4 billions.
TLDM can sail with FREMM with that price tag and can challenge SG formidable class.....hahaha.
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post Nov 10 2019, 05:40 PM

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Leopard 2RI MBTs of the Indonesian Army 1st Cavalry Battalion Kostrad during exercise in Martapura South Sumatera. Credit to Yonkav 1 Kostrad.

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Looks like Marhalim is very upset on the LCS progress in his recent article.

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Condemned To Repeat It

November 10, 2019 Marhalim Abas 

SHAH ALAM: Condemned to repeat it. A check on Malaysian Defence’s archives revealed that there are 116 posts regarding the RMN Littoral Combat Ship. It is more than that actually as around 50-odd posts on the LCS had gone missing after the server failure, some three years ago.

Long time Malaysian Defence readers, however, will be aware of my opinion that the government – the previous one of course – had erred in allowing the first of class LCS to be build in Malaysia instead of France. The similarities with the NGPV – and the ensuing fiasco – was too much for me to ignore. Yes, perhaps I am pessimist but the latest events surrounding the LCS has confirmed my worst fears. I am not gloating but simply sad that this had happened. The quote “those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” or similar ones, summed up my feeling on the matter down to the T.

In the NGPV case, deceitness and the lack of accountability were the main reason for the failure of the programme, which resulted in a bailout. And the fact that no one was held responsible for the failure, set up the stage for the sad state of affairs surrounding the LCS. It was the reason I was very pessimistic with the programme all this while.

Anyhow, below is the statement made by Defence Minister Mohamad Sabu in Parliament last week. The Hansard (the parliment transcript) was uploaded so late I did not have time to post it here before leaving for Germany last Saturday. Anyhow it better late than never, an excuse I am always giving on this blog and one had been used many times for the RMN.

Kapal pertama Littoral Combat Ship TLDM telah mengalami kelewatan selama 34 bulan dan lama sangat ini. Perolehan ini dianugerahkan secara rundingan terus kepada syarikat BNSSB iaitu Boustead Naval Shipyard Sdn. Bhd. untuk tempoh 10 tahun. Berkuat kuasa 3 Oktober 2013 sehingga Oktober 2023 dengan had belanjanya RM9.1286 bilion. Sehingga 30 September 2019, kemajuan sebenar keseluruhan perolehan hanya 55.7 peratus berbanding perancangan sepatutnya 78 peratus iaitu lewat lebih 25 peratus. BNSSB memaklumkan kelewatan akan berlaku pada tarikh penyerahan fizikal keenam-enam LCS dengan kos tambahan diperlukan sebanyak RM1.4 bilion. Ini masalah projek kalau kita hentikan, kita sudah bayar RM6 bilion. Kalau hendak diteruskan, perlu tambahan belanja. Maka di sini Kementerian Pertahanan, kita bila kita ambil sebuah kementerian, kalau kita kahwin dengan janda, kita kena pelihara dengan anakanaknya sekali. Bila kita ambil kementerian, Menteri baru naik dia kena ambil segala permasalahan. Kita tidak boleh berhenti di tengah jalan pembinaan kapal ini sedangkan wang kerajaan telah dibayar RM6 bilion. Kelemahan-kelemahannya banyak yang perlu didedahkan kalau didedahkan secara terperinci, ia melibatkan berlaku pula ketidakpercayaan kepada syarikat-syarikat di Malaysia dan sebagainya. Oleh itu, kami sedang mempertimbangkan sama ada hendak meluluskan satu program RM4 juta dengan kita berbincang dengan Kementerian Kewangan dan Kabinet untuk meneruskan pembinaan kapal ini kerana besi-besinya telah dipotong dan enam buah kapal ini dijangka siap yang pertama pada tahun 2023.

I can point out various ship programmes that had started or launched just slightly ahead or later than the LCS and completed- ships of comparable size of course – but there is no need for me to that. Just Google it.

Note on the 2023 delivery date. The minister on his Twitter post had stated it was going to be 2021 and I had replied that 2021 was too optimistic!


http://www.malaysiandefence.com/condemned-to-repeat-it/

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Looks like Marhalim is very upset on the LCS progress in his recent article.
http://www.malaysiandefence.com/condemned-to-repeat-it/
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this guy really need to learn to speak wisely....
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kalau kita kahwin dengan janda, kita kena pelihara dengan anakanaknya sekali. Bila kita ambil kementerian, Menteri baru naik dia kena ambil segala permasalahan.



even when they decide to build first ship here many reader and defense enthusiast disagree with govt decision...even some in the navy feel the first 1 or 2 ship should be build at France since they have good facilities and expert there to accommodate any change...and yet here we are

and let see if the accountability still in the same again just like the previous kedah class and gagah samudera ship laugh.gif


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local shipyards dah tak boleh pakai ke ape

so many delays/cancelled projects.. so unreliable..
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 10 2019, 07:00 PM)
local shipyards dah tak boleh pakai ke ape

so many delays/cancelled projects.. so unreliable..
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our defense industry bad one la...the best course of action was to build at parent company/nation and give the MRO to our company...our industry should focus on MRO only...they cant compete even with indonesia or thailand industry in term of price or technology...

but you know la....donut here and there for sure politician happy to help with promise of job creation and economy in nation while giving the contract toward certain company....
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 10 2019, 09:00 PM)
local shipyards dah tak boleh pakai ke ape

so many delays/cancelled projects.. so unreliable..
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lelz... dont bring down whole industry la... only certain ones... we all know who... same culprit gets project again... we all know y
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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 10 2019, 06:09 PM)
Looks like Marhalim is very upset on the LCS progress in his recent article.
http://www.malaysiandefence.com/condemned-to-repeat-it/
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Aftet NGPV, after Gagah Samudera, and now this one joins the club.
It is absolutely more stupid then donkey

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