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doxb
post Nov 14 2019, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 14 2019, 07:09 PM)
Hi all sifu,

If i get a quote for the following materials:-
Melamine with 4G doors (top with Quartz)
Aluminium skirting
9.5 feet Top
15.5 feet Base

The whole package is RM18.5k. Isnt worth?
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Reasonable... of course you need to look at the quality of the material.. eg the quartz has diff grade too! and also the hinges and stuff...
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post Nov 14 2019, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(doxb @ Nov 14 2019, 08:25 PM)
Reasonable... of course you need to look at the quality of the material.. eg the quartz has diff grade too! and also the hinges and stuff...
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How to examine the grade of quartz and hinge?
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post Nov 14 2019, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(joseph1688 @ Nov 14 2019, 08:30 PM)
How to examine the grade of quartz and hinge?
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China quartz can be cheap RM100+ per ft run. Silestone can range from 350-900 per ft run. There are even more expensive ones around. Blum hinges are expensive. Some can cost 700 per set. But they last forever. My current kitchen are full Blum and Silestone and those are the killers. There are cheaper alternatives but you should get your supplier list all the components used.
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post Nov 14 2019, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Nov 14 2019, 09:08 PM)
China quartz can be cheap RM100+ per ft run. Silestone can range from 350-900 per ft run. There are even more expensive ones around. Blum hinges are expensive. Some can cost 700 per set. But they last forever. My current kitchen are full Blum and Silestone and those are the killers. There are cheaper alternatives but you should get your supplier list all the components used.
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The hinges are haffle, but the quartz... I duno how to see whether its silestone or china brand. Mind to share me how to see?
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post Nov 15 2019, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 14 2019, 11:12 PM)
The hinges are haffle, but the quartz... I duno how to see whether its silestone or china brand. Mind to share me how to see?
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You meant Hefele? Then it is ok. Not bad not Blum but good.
Counter top you just have to ask the supplier. Some Silestone has logo but mine doesn't but they are genuine. The difference between good and not so good quartz is the bonding resin used. Silestone is more than 90% quartz and has anti bacterial material added. So it is safe to prepare food directly on top if you so desired and also tough like hell. But you really can't tell easily until you use it.

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post Nov 15 2019, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Nov 15 2019, 01:27 AM)
You meant Hefele? Then it is ok. Not bad not Blum but good.
Counter top you just have to ask the supplier. Some Silestone has logo but mine doesn't but they are genuine. The difference between good and not so good quartz is the bonding resin  used. Silestone is more than 90% quartz and has anti bacterial material added. So it is safe to prepare food directly on top if you so desired and also tough like hell. But you really can't tell easily until you use it.
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Ok. I will ask the supplier. Thank you so much! Learned a lot from you.
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post Nov 15 2019, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 15 2019, 12:07 PM)
Ok. I will ask the supplier. Thank you so much! Learned a lot from you.
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NP. Just ask your supplier what's the brand of the quartz. Generally if they don't tell you then it is general china made one. Those I doubt they have specs provided.

The higher the % of quartz the harder the counter top but like I said the bonding resin is quite important. Mine I can put hot pot on top and still no problem. You don't want to risk those china made quartz with unknown specs. That said if you use it carefully even china quartz will last you a long time. Just don't select those white ones because cheaper brands white color can be easier to stain ... even for quartz due to poor bonding resin
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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Nov 15 2019, 01:13 PM)
NP. Just ask your supplier what's the brand of the quartz. Generally if they don't tell you then it is general china made one. Those I doubt they have specs provided.

The higher the % of quartz the harder the counter top but like I said the bonding resin is quite important. Mine I can put hot pot on top and still no problem. You don't want to risk those china made quartz with unknown specs. That said if you use it carefully even china quartz will last you a long time. Just don't select those white ones because cheaper brands white color can be easier to stain ... even for quartz due to poor bonding resin
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Do u thk black color is better than white? I also have dilemma choosing black or white.
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post Nov 15 2019, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Nov 15 2019, 01:13 PM)
NP. Just ask your supplier what's the brand of the quartz. Generally if they don't tell you then it is general china made one. Those I doubt they have specs provided.

The higher the % of quartz the harder the counter top but like I said the bonding resin is quite important. Mine I can put hot pot on top and still no problem. You don't want to risk those china made quartz with unknown specs. That said if you use it carefully even china quartz will last you a long time. Just don't select those white ones because cheaper brands white color can be easier to stain ... even for quartz due to poor bonding resin
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I asked my supplier. He said its a China premium brand. LOL
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post Nov 15 2019, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(joseph1688 @ Nov 15 2019, 01:17 PM)
Do u thk black color is better than white? I also have dilemma choosing black or white.
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If you want less visible stain and easier care always go with grey or black especially wet kitchen. White may be ok for dry kitchen but even my Silestone has very minor blemish after 10 years.

It is a matter matching or contrasting with your cabinet and sinks. Those black with galaxy look (see second photo) actually not half bad. Of course a clean white color always impressive provided they don't turn yellow 🤣

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post Nov 15 2019, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 15 2019, 01:48 PM)
I asked my supplier. He said its a China premium brand. LOL
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Tell me which self respected manufacturers will say their products are non premium. It is premium of he can tell you his quartz content is >90%. And the type of bonding resin/glue used. That said even 75% quartz content is decent enough but you need to exercise care when use.

It is still harder and easier to maintain than marble and some natural stones, solid surfaces or woods.
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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Nov 15 2019, 02:24 PM)
Tell me which self respected manufacturers will say their products are non premium. It is premium of he can tell you his quartz content is >90%. And the type of bonding resin/glue used. That said even 75% quartz content is decent enough but you need to exercise care when use.

It is still harder and easier to maintain than marble and some natural stones, solid surfaces or woods.
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I know its not premium la. But what to do? Very difficult to find good quality stuffs with reasonable price nowadays.
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post Nov 15 2019, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 15 2019, 04:10 PM)
I know its not premium la. But what to do? Very difficult to find good quality stuffs with reasonable price nowadays.
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China quartz can still be nice. Just have to choose the right one to compliment your cabinet.
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Hi all,share with all kitchen cabinet door material-3G

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post Nov 16 2019, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Nov 15 2019, 04:37 PM)
China quartz can still be nice. Just have to choose the right one to compliment your cabinet.
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Yes! All made in China! And they have spectrum.... bad to premium quality... also depend on how you used it! Just like proton and BMW. How long do you plan to keep ur kitchen. ? 5 year ? 10 years? Or moving to bigger place in 3 years time? Renting it out?
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QUOTE(doxb @ Nov 16 2019, 02:45 PM)
Yes! All made in China! And they have spectrum.... bad to premium quality... also depend on how you used it! Just like proton and BMW. How long do you plan to keep ur kitchen. ? 5 year ? 10 years? Or moving to bigger place in 3 years time? Renting it out?
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If you were renting it out even melamine is ok. Tiles are cheaper too. We are talking about own stay. Not all are made in China. Granted some in China are good too but Silestones are from Spain; Ceasarstones are from Israel/USA. Just like some cars are not made in China but in Germany 🤣
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post Nov 16 2019, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Nov 16 2019, 02:53 PM)
If you were renting it out even melamine is ok. Tiles are cheaper too. We are talking about own stay. Not all are made in China. Granted some in China are good too but Silestones are from Spain; Ceasarstones are from Israel/USA. Just like some cars are not made in China but in Germany 🤣
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I get a quotation from legend kitchen today. Suprisingly the price is higher than unity kitchen. They are given blum as accessories. But the other is the same which is quartz stone, melamine.
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post Nov 16 2019, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 16 2019, 03:31 PM)
I get a quotation from legend kitchen today. Suprisingly the price is higher than unity kitchen. They are given blum as accessories. But the other is the same which is quartz stone, melamine.
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I have not dealt with Legend before so I guess it is possible although Unity is already not cheap. Blum are not cheap. If full Blum that may costly. My two Blum Aventos lift up hinges already RM780! Do you have add in trays etc?

Not all china quartz are similar either. Doors materials and finish? If they provide itemized breakdown you can compare. If lumsum then a bit difficult.
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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 15 2019, 04:10 PM)
I know its not premium la. But what to do? Very difficult to find good quality stuffs with reasonable price nowadays.
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This is quite true. My mom was surprised when i told her that i budgeted around 40k for kitchen cabinet that might not be full solid wood. She told me when my dad installed kitchen cabinet in our house in kampung back in 1992, it only cost them less than 10k for nyatoh door + concrete top.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Nov 16 2019, 04:13 PM)
This is quite true. My mom was surprised when i told her that i budgeted around 40k for kitchen cabinet that might not be full solid wood. She told me when my dad installed kitchen cabinet in our house in kampung back in 1992, it only cost them less than 10k for nyatoh door + concrete top.
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1992! Of course lah I also much more handsome then! 🤣
You can't compare. A 10k value of money in 1992 is much more than today. Your kampung house also use concrete top which is much cheaper. It is functional but ... 🤔

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