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Jordy
post Jul 22 2008, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jul 22 2008, 08:07 PM)
aiseh man. this is easy la JORDY.

if atrium dont come back down to 0.75, the obviouse choice is to add up to AXREIT @1.61 ...

anyway, i advise u to have at least half of each. so go get AXIS

at the moment i have

90000 unit ATRIUM @ 0.94
50000 unit AXIS @1.67
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I see, so you have a balanced one between them both ya? tongue.gif
I can do that as well, maybe 10,000 of ATRIUM and 5,000 of AXREIT, but right now I am starting to research into DJIA counters.
I have to set aside at least RM30,000 for my investment there, but maybe I would want more because I don't want my money here.
I can't stop my temptation if I kept my money here, so need to keep somewhere FAR away tongue.gif
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post Jul 22 2008, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 22 2008, 05:58 PM)
Thank you cherroy for your quick and lengthy reply smile.gif
Well, I have both of them as well, but just thought I would like to add somemore into my portfolio.
So, now I am weighing on both to see which one would give me better returns, say if I place my money there for 10-20 years.
To better facilitate this discussion, let me give my real situation:

AXREIT - I have 5,000 units at RM1.76.
ATRIUM - I have 10,000 units at average of RM0.825

Now, I am thinking of getting either 5,000 additional of AXREIT, or 10,000 additional of ATRIUM.
If you are in this situation, what would you choose? tongue.gif
I personally do not like STAREIT that much because it relies too much on YTL.
If YTL has problems, then the earnings of STAREIT would not be that pretty either wink.gif
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If I were you, I would add up on Axreit first as my style is always only average down if there is signficant gap between. Anyway just my preference only, doesn't necessary a right way to do.

But wait, those purchased price already being given previous distribution already or not, aka already take some distirubtion in the pocket already?
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post Jul 22 2008, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 22 2008, 09:10 PM)
If I were you, I would add up on Axreit first as my style is always only average down if there is signficant gap between. Anyway just my preference only, doesn't necessary a right way to do.

But wait, those purchased price already being given previous distribution already or not, aka already take some distirubtion in the pocket already?
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Nope, I have not taken any distribution from them yet tongue.gif
Just bought them in this Q. Hehe.
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ATRIUM at 0.765

is it a good price to pick up? hmm.gif
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post Jul 23 2008, 09:20 AM

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if interested, try queue at 0.755
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post Jul 25 2008, 10:24 AM

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AXIS @1.60.. so tempting!!!

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Neo18 you sure have lots of capital there.

you keep averaging your cost.

do leave some for rainy days unsure.gif
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post Jul 25 2008, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:40 AM)
Neo18 you sure have lots of capital there.

you keep averaging your cost.

do leave some for rainy days unsure.gif
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That's true, my advice is that spread the capital (that one would like to invest) across like say plan to buy over the next 1-2 year time. We might have long winter ahead, especially for Reits, increase in interest rate will hurt the attraction of Reits. My opinon, buying little by little is a better approach.

Another issue,
If reits are under price significantly below the market value or its NTA/NAV, it can be a good target for acquisition or privatisation actually. Just like reported in newspapar, Atrium is trading at 0.75 previously, while market value (NAV) for the properties is Rm1.00, that's mean who buy the 0.75 is buying at 25% discount compared to the market price. So if one take the whole company at 0.75 (I knew not possible, just theorectically), then sell it the properties to the open market, one will make 25% out of it.

It is as same on those normal stocks as well.

That's where privatisation can be a easy money making deal for those multi-millionaires, so rich become richer.

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post Jul 25 2008, 11:05 AM

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i'm thinking of getting either more AXIS or ATRIUM la...

ATRIUM, my average quite high @0.94. Now 0.78, very tempting!!!
AXIS also tempting.. cialat liow

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post Jul 25 2008, 11:17 AM

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Yeah, I am also thinking of getting ATRIUM, but I will wait for the BNM decision. It is supposed to be today ya? smile.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 25 2008, 10:45 AM)
That's true, my advice is that spread the capital (that one would like to invest) across like say plan to buy over the next 1-2 year time. We might have long winter ahead, especially for Reits, increase in interest rate will hurt the attraction of Reits. My opinon, buying little by little is a better approach.

Another issue,
If reits are under price significantly below the market value or its NTA/NAV, it can be a good target for acquisition or privatisation actually. Just like reported in newspapar, Atrium is trading at 0.75 previously, while market value (NAV) for the properties is Rm1.00, that's mean who buy the 0.75 is buying at 25% discount compared to the market price. So if one take the whole company at 0.75 (I knew not possible, just theorectically), then sell it the properties to the open market, one will make 25% out of it.

It is as same on those normal stocks as well.

That's where privatisation can be a easy money making deal for those multi-millionaires, so rich become richer.
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Look at it this way cherroy, considering the price of property has gone up recently (2005-08), the demand for the property is a deciding factor for the price of the property. If the price of property has gone up to unreasonable factor, the discount you've said is just consolidation process of the property price, not discount...
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QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Jul 25 2008, 01:24 PM)
Look at it this way cherroy, considering the price of property has gone up recently (2005-08), the demand for the property is a deciding factor for the price of the property. If the price of property has gone up to unreasonable factor, the discount you've said is just consolidation process of the property price, not discount...
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Yes, that's true.

It depends on the property location.
Some strategic location never have hard time to fetch a buyer, it is matter of price only. But with inflation looming and constructin materials sky-rocketing, at near term, yes, property surely will under consolidation phase but in strategic location, the more I can see is about 10% drop due to lesser demand as inflation is the factor that maintain the price. Having said that, this only applied on those strategic location properties, in some remote area, different story.

But if construction materials' price dropping severely, then potential more new properties being built might drag down the market price of generally, but at near term, highly unlikely.

For sure, property sector will under go consolidation phase after last few years of good time.


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post Jul 25 2008, 03:14 PM

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Atrium has a nice run up from the 0.75 level. rclxms.gif
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post Jul 25 2008, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 25 2008, 03:14 PM)
Atrium has a nice run up from the 0.75 level.  rclxms.gif
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Yup, that is so sad for me cry.gif
But nevermind, it should come down again soon, especially with such uncertainty icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 25 2008, 03:33 PM)
Yup, that is so sad for me cry.gif
But nevermind, it should come down again soon, especially with such uncertainty icon_idea.gif
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Now attention turn to Axreit, quite tempting especially semi annual distribution of 7%+ is highly likely next week or so.

Edit 2 targets now for me on reits side, Axreit and Qcapital.

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post Jul 25 2008, 04:20 PM

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Bought Axreit 1.60. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 25 2008, 04:28 PM

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My ATRIUM fly away liow!!!
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 25 2008, 04:20 PM)
Bought Axreit 1.60.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Haha, too bad you missed the boat for RM1.59 tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 25 2008, 04:41 PM)
Haha, too bad you missed the boat for RM1.59 tongue.gif
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Afternoon session all only done 1.60, so settled for 1.60. There is a big Q of 1,000+ on 1.59.

Drop further buy again. brows.gif

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