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post May 13 2019, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 13 2019, 03:53 PM)
Bank stock is not foolproof.

There were banks that facing severe problem during downturn due to increase of NLP, which needs to be bail out or seek for financial assistance that may dilute existing shareholder.
It may not be delisted easily, but it doesn't mean share price won't plunge.

Best eg. would be US famous bank C that before financial crisis, its share price was around USD50, now after the crisis with economy fully recover and even with DJ shooting all time high (with reverse split 10:1), now share price is around USD 68.
Normalise the reverse split mean before crisis USD 500 --> USD68 now.
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Hi cherroy, may I have your opinion for the following:-

I've some capital, say RM500K which is allocated for fixed deposit/saving. I'm currently putting them in my Maybank Private Banking a/c with annual interest of 2.3% (most updated one), computed on a daily basis. The another option would be putting them in FD, for 1-month tenure, FD rate about 2.95% in Maybank. However, I will use the funds to apply for IPO (new shares) whenever there's. Keeping them in private banking a/c allowing me to enjoy the daily interest without any tenure like the FD. If I were to put them in FD, I might need to withdraw to apply for the IPO, before the FD matures (interest will be forfeited).

And I was also thinking, since I've allocate this portion as my saving/FD, should I just keep them in FD and keep them untouched? As I've already allocated a portion to equities (in my brokerage a/c).

Appreciate your views! Thanks!
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post May 13 2019, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(privatequity @ May 13 2019, 04:09 PM)
Hi cherroy, may I have your opinion for the following:-

I've some capital, say RM500K which is allocated for fixed deposit/saving. I'm currently putting them in my Maybank Private Banking a/c with annual interest of 2.3% (most updated one), computed on a daily basis. The another option would be putting them in FD, for 1-month tenure, FD rate about 2.95% in Maybank. However, I will use the funds to apply for IPO (new shares) whenever there's. Keeping them in private banking a/c allowing me to enjoy the daily interest without any tenure like the FD. If I were to put them in FD, I might need to withdraw to apply for the IPO, before the FD matures (interest will be forfeited).

And I was also thinking, since I've allocate this portion as my saving/FD, should I just keep them in FD and keep them untouched? As I've already allocated a portion to equities (in my brokerage a/c).

Appreciate your views! Thanks!
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I don't think above query has any to do with the topic.

Anyway, just OT a bit, it depends on one's financial management preference, and there are plenty of option/ways eg.
1. Split FD into various trench, that ensure every week you have FD matured to withdraw upon, aka you have a much loose liquidity.
2. There are some good high yield saving/current account in other bank, that may have good rate, we have a topic of it as well. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4439367
3. Money market instrument.

IPO is not everyday got one and there is published schedule as well. So one can actually plan ahead for the liquidity needed.
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post May 13 2019, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(privatequity @ May 13 2019, 04:09 PM)
Hi cherroy, may I have your opinion for the following:-

I've some capital, say RM500K which is allocated for fixed deposit/saving. I'm currently putting them in my Maybank Private Banking a/c with annual interest of 2.3% (most updated one), computed on a daily basis. The another option would be putting them in FD, for 1-month tenure, FD rate about 2.95% in Maybank. However, I will use the funds to apply for IPO (new shares) whenever there's. Keeping them in private banking a/c allowing me to enjoy the daily interest without any tenure like the FD. If I were to put them in FD, I might need to withdraw to apply for the IPO, before the FD matures (interest will be forfeited).

And I was also thinking, since I've allocate this portion as my saving/FD, should I just keep them in FD and keep them untouched? As I've already allocated a portion to equities (in my brokerage a/c).

Appreciate your views! Thanks!
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If private bank client, there are some high yield bonds available.

Rm500k qualified for private bank?
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post May 13 2019, 08:00 PM

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Sure a lot Kena burnt. .stocks down down down
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post May 13 2019, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(perplexedstill @ May 12 2019, 12:56 PM)
Hi sifu, i would like to know how and where to buy stocks? Newbie here.
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No no...not sifu....Just a small fry trying to make some extra galleon smile.gif

I believe you have the same question in another thread and Jordy has answered.

I wish you good fortunes in the trades to come!
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post May 14 2019, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(silverviolet @ May 13 2019, 08:00 PM)
Sure a lot Kena burnt. .stocks down down down
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Opportunity favours the prepared mind.
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post May 14 2019, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ May 13 2019, 08:22 AM)
Why did not hold on? Exit strategy, target reach secure profit? 
Hmm.. so indeed there company that may strive even tho crisis occur.. just we have to have sharp intuition and not blindly listen to so called buy buy buy low low low.

I was told, during crisis, most secure and confirm won't delisted is bank sector. Which I think is half true? BNM won't let bank run happen but as for delisted, I think bnm don't really care right?

May I know why you opt for the two stock not bank stock?
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I was almost broke at that time, having just lost everything I had in a failed business just prior to that. So I was basically living on a RM300 monthly allowance.
I had to keep an active trading routine to keep my portfolio growing. Sometimes I had to resort to day or contra trading. As I had very small capital at that time, I didn't have the kind of holding power which I had now.

I opted for the 2 stocks (and a few others) based on fundamental, they had all the right numbers with steady growth, so they hit all my indicators. That was why I boarded them at the low, only to miss the sail few years down the road.
So now another lesson learnt, is to keep fundamentally strong stocks (if one has the holding power to do so). One day it will eventually fly.
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post May 14 2019, 04:10 PM

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Here are some of my sharing

1) Invested around 20k AUD 11 years ago in one small cap IT company listed on ASX. Done all the TA & FA and whatever analyst. Lose 90% of my capital. That amount of money is big for me 11 years ago.
Lesson learnt : never invest big especially in small cap. Only Trade them. Somemore stubborn don't want to cut lose but luckily I didn't average down.

2) Invested in Sapura energy I guess 3 years back. Estimated Lost around RM40k
but this time I smarter, I cut loss when down almost 30% from my purchase price.

Lesson Learnt : don't try to pick the bottom without doing sufficient homework.


3) Venture with friend for Bird Nest Farm 4 years back. Estimated lost RM 30k.
Lesson Learnt : learnt this lesson how screen through bullshit people that only know talk but no action. P
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post May 15 2019, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(roarus @ May 7 2019, 10:30 PM)
1. Bank Foreign FD: bought when GBP tanked around 2008, huge chunk of profit eaten by massive bank FX spread
2. Bank Gold Account - went practically nowhere in 6 years, CAGR prolly around ~2%
3. Crappy endowment plans - PruCash, HLA Evergreen - more than halfway through/completed, will just put leave them in the naughty corner of my portfolio
4. Heng Yuan share - learnt to treat i3 forum like kopitiam
5. 'Saving' more with ILP - have since tuned down premiums to levels enough to sustain policy

All in all, only no. 4 resulted in -ve realized returns. The rest being cost of opportunity.
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for me i3 forum comment is like s**t
dont ever go there
it will confuse ur mind
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post May 15 2019, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(silverviolet @ May 13 2019, 08:00 PM)
Sure a lot Kena burnt. .stocks down down down
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Depends on how you look it. This recent fall is neglible. Not even double digit drop.
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post May 16 2019, 01:37 AM

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1) Don't invest like you're gambling.

2) You win, you win. You lose, you lose. Don't be greedy for lambo dream, also don't be stubborn and never cut lost until under wear gone.

3) 1/10 total wealth allocated in high risk "stuff", but make sure you at least understand how it's basically works.

We all are trader in this world, we trade our times, health to work and get paid.
Well, after all money is just a figure.

So do no trade everything for it, doesn't worth. At all

This post has been edited by heavensea: May 16 2019, 01:39 AM
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post May 16 2019, 09:57 AM

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Anyone kena burn with bond investment ?
Want to listen bond investment story..


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post May 16 2019, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(Boomwick @ May 16 2019, 09:57 AM)
Anyone kena burn with bond investment ?
Want to listen bond investment story..
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There hasn't been a default in the Malaysian bond market in many years.. you'll be more likely to find them in Singapore. The most recent one being Hyflux, and there are plenty of disgruntled investors there.
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post May 16 2019, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Boomwick @ May 16 2019, 09:57 AM)
Anyone kena burn with bond investment ?
Want to listen bond investment story..
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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ May 16 2019, 05:39 PM)
There hasn't been a default in the Malaysian bond market in many years.. you'll be more likely to find them in Singapore. The most recent one being Hyflux, and there are plenty of disgruntled investors there.
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go to finance section of sghardwarezone, saw a thread with damn alot of pages about it

Didnt check it out but you can if you are interested. As Havoc Knightmare said, pretty sure got alot of unhappy investors there
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post May 16 2019, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 15 2019, 03:39 PM)
Depends on how you look it. This recent  fall is neglible. Not even double digit drop.
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I guess its last yr then

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post May 17 2019, 02:46 PM

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Everyone makes mistakes. That's why kena burn in investment and a lot of us have made those mistakes.
But the most important are the lessons you take away from those mistakes and whether you learn from them.
Bonds, equities, mutual funds, business venture, gold accounts, bitcoins etc. etc. all are opportunities. We just need to learn to separate the bad and the good and invest within our means and our risk profiles.

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post May 17 2019, 08:27 PM

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post May 17 2019, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(VyvernS @ May 17 2019, 02:46 PM)
Everyone makes mistakes. That's why kena burn in investment and a lot of us have made those mistakes.
But the most important are the lessons you take away from those mistakes and whether you learn from them.
Bonds, equities, mutual funds, business venture, gold accounts, bitcoins etc. etc. all are opportunities. We just need to learn to separate the bad and the good and invest within our means and our risk profiles.
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Only uninitiated has zero failure rate. If one could achieve near zero failure rate, he would be richer than Warren Buffett. The higher the confidence level, the higher the losses.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: May 18 2019, 01:20 PM
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post Sep 21 2019, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(onios32 @ Sep 19 2019, 09:15 AM)
Its a good topic to share your good and bad lessons.
I am seasoned fund manager and burnt thousands of  dollar to learn how to track scams.
Especially in Malaysia, we like "cepat Kaya"
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U trade which instrument for investor?
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post Sep 21 2019, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ May 14 2019, 04:10 PM)
2) Invested in Sapura energy I guess 3 years back. Estimated Lost around RM40k
but this time I smarter, I cut loss when  down almost 30% from my purchase price.
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I'm still holding Sapura. Fc*k! What should I do with it?? I think it's about 25k loss now!!

IIRC, I think I average down ....

Lesson: don't trust crony companies blindly ....

This post has been edited by moosset: Sep 21 2019, 03:36 PM

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