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cherroy
post May 6 2019, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ May 6 2019, 10:53 AM)
I invested in this stock back in 2010 just after it went public at the A-region and kept averaging downwards due to my believe that investment in Education is one of the best, and then I finally sold it off between the C- and D-region after realising that this company is going into a sh*thole.


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My pov and experience

Keep on averaging down is not a good practice in investing.

When a stock is keep on going down on long term basic, it is better to review the reason of it.
Good stock that are registering stable and profit growing and keep on rewarding shareholders with generous dividend, generally their stock price won't keep on sliding on long term basic one.

Whenever an invested target poorly perform, it is advisable to patiently monitoring first instead eager to average down, if really that bad, sliding non-stop, cut loss early.
Average down could mean double the loss instead of trying to gain back.
Average down may be = bet more on the losing stock... sweat.gif

Get rid of losing stock, but keep those performing (gain) one should be the motto of investing.
But most people did the other way. Take profit (sell) those gain one (normally gain a little), but keep losing one and average down more.

Average up is better that average down.

There are many, ten or hundreds of many good stocks out there for choosing around.
Don't need to fall in love in one or two.

We are not choosing a single "wife" in investing, we can or should have wife(s) in investing. laugh.gif

Diversification is important to mitigate the risk in investing.

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post May 12 2019, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ May 12 2019, 03:39 PM)
If the company is doing well and generates good FCF year after year, but for some reason the price is decreasing, then it could be good to average down. Be mindful though of the valuation which you are buying into. You have to check if the share is indeed undervalued before you average down. It's a double-edged sword.
Government policy changes also will have a great effect on the related stocks. I was unlucky because I averaged down when PTPTN decided to trim down the margin of loan per student. That was a grave mistake.
There are plenty of them. I did invest into Scientex, Axreit and Atrium after 2008 and was well rewarded. I did not hold on to Scientex and Axreit when they jumped between 800% and 200% from the price I sold respectively. That was also a mistake for me. They were doing SO well. And as with the case of Public Bank which VyvernS mentioned, jumped from RM8 to RM25-ish now.
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Just to add (not to disagree the use of FCF, in fact FCF is one of strong indicator how well the company is doing)

FCF is not foolproof figure to see whether it is worth to average down or not, especially those cash generated is not rewarding back to shareholders as dividend.
Also, billions of cash may be wiped out in single poor investment decision made by the company, or large capital outlay needed to replace the depreciation figure that resulted FCF every year one.

There are companies with strong FCF, even racking up billion of cash in coffer, but stingy to reward their shareholders, generally those stock share price won't be performing too well either.

There is one common feature on those stock that so called rewarding over the long term -> Strong FCF that translated into generous dividend to shareholders.




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post May 13 2019, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ May 13 2019, 08:22 AM)
Why did not hold on? Exit strategy, target reach secure profit? 
Hmm.. so indeed there company that may strive even tho crisis occur.. just we have to have sharp intuition and not blindly listen to so called buy buy buy low low low.

I was told, during crisis, most secure and confirm won't delisted is bank sector. Which I think is half true? BNM won't let bank run happen but as for delisted, I think bnm don't really care right?

May I know why you opt for the two stock not bank stock?
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Bank stock is not foolproof.

There were banks that facing severe problem during downturn due to increase of NLP, which needs to be bail out or seek for financial assistance that may dilute existing shareholder.
It may not be delisted easily, but it doesn't mean share price won't plunge.

Best eg. would be US famous bank C that before financial crisis, its share price was around USD50, now after the crisis with economy fully recover and even with DJ shooting all time high (with reverse split 10:1), now share price is around USD 68.
Normalise the reverse split mean before crisis USD 500 --> USD68 now.



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post May 13 2019, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(privatequity @ May 13 2019, 04:09 PM)
Hi cherroy, may I have your opinion for the following:-

I've some capital, say RM500K which is allocated for fixed deposit/saving. I'm currently putting them in my Maybank Private Banking a/c with annual interest of 2.3% (most updated one), computed on a daily basis. The another option would be putting them in FD, for 1-month tenure, FD rate about 2.95% in Maybank. However, I will use the funds to apply for IPO (new shares) whenever there's. Keeping them in private banking a/c allowing me to enjoy the daily interest without any tenure like the FD. If I were to put them in FD, I might need to withdraw to apply for the IPO, before the FD matures (interest will be forfeited).

And I was also thinking, since I've allocate this portion as my saving/FD, should I just keep them in FD and keep them untouched? As I've already allocated a portion to equities (in my brokerage a/c).

Appreciate your views! Thanks!
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I don't think above query has any to do with the topic.

Anyway, just OT a bit, it depends on one's financial management preference, and there are plenty of option/ways eg.
1. Split FD into various trench, that ensure every week you have FD matured to withdraw upon, aka you have a much loose liquidity.
2. There are some good high yield saving/current account in other bank, that may have good rate, we have a topic of it as well. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4439367
3. Money market instrument.

IPO is not everyday got one and there is published schedule as well. So one can actually plan ahead for the liquidity needed.

 

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