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post Jan 25 2021, 06:53 PM

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Just to compare PNB AUM is greater than 300 billion. They really need to convince us by showing their AUM and sustainability. My fund in SA is nothing to compared with what i have in all the fixed priced fund in PNB.

Profile of people who tend to go to PNB fixed priced fund such as ASB as their main saving and inb
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post Jan 25 2021, 06:59 PM

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Just to compare PNB AUM is greater than 300 billion. Flagship ASB alone is almost 200 billion. They really need to convince us by showing their AUM to prove the business sustainability before i can put more. My fund in SA is nothing to compared with what i have in all the fixed priced fund in PNB, stock and unit trust.

Profile of people who tend to go to PNB fixed priced fund such as ASB as their main saving and investment are generally risk averse. If SA can have a good track record of beating ASB for the next 5 years or so for the lower risk portfolio, then i dont see why they cant steal some of their business away. Surely lower risk portfolio is not the equivalent of fixed priced fund as by SA own definition it will fall under 0% risk index. But do this long enough with good track record, some might just be convinced.

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post Jan 25 2021, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 25 2021, 07:03 PM)
if they go down...you money is still being held by trustee.
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I am more concern in force liquidation during unfavourable time and delay to get the liquidated fund.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 25 2021, 07:10 PM)
if really concern of forced liquidation in time of unfavourable time....be it ex: (war inclusive)
so are your money in EPF, money in unit trust, gold and all other investments.....

your concern is valid, but
while waiting for the chances of it to happens......
i will do this..... biggrin.gif
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That is not even a valid comparison. How come you are comparing SA going bust with EPF going bust and war. You can choose to invest or not to invest in SA or invest less or more depending on how confident you are on them.

The context now is SA sustainability , how you can even make a comparison to EPF or war is beyond me. Same thing with stock selection in stock market unless you deliberately buying PN17 companies with the hope of turn around or "goreng". I know they are not exactly good comparison but the point is, in order to invest more we need to know it sustainability. If they have solid financial you pretty much have less to worry about and can invest more.

We are not a stock holder of SA, so the performance of the company does not affect us directly, but sure as heck they need to be stable enough so we dont have to worry about forced liquidation if AUM is not taken up by another company and the delay associated with it if they go down.



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post Jan 29 2021, 02:02 PM

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Most probably during this time SA will make full use of the new terms and condition with a few making selling order due to panic and the other side investing more and buying off the holding. Whatever it is please check all buy and sell order price is within the range of that day.
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post Jan 31 2021, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Jan 31 2021, 06:20 PM)
i got some cash. but i dont know want to DCA in SA or DCA in stock market.
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Are you talking about buying the same etf directly through stock market rather than using SA as a vehicle to buy and managed the portfolio of etf?

Or are u talking buying company share? With no further details, not sure if any meaningful conclusion can be made, but generally it is not recommemded to DCA a company stock as you just increase your exposure and risk to that company.

I am sure you are aware company get delisted all the time or come crashing down without ever recovering. I give you a few example from bursa, sapura energy or previously know as sapura kencana just trading at 3 % of its peak. It was rm 4.xx last time now it is just rm 0.12, there are many other cases as well, some even get delisted due to bankruptcy. UMW oil and gas a.k.a velesto is another case and dont forget Malaysia airlines as well. Hopefully no one get any idea to DCA into air asia.

ETF however hold a basket of stock, while some are riskier than other, it is hard to go wrong with etf that tracks s&p 500 in the long term.

Now i would like you to imagine if you somehow dca in sapura kencana/energy or even Malaysia airlines when it was listed years ago.

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post Jan 31 2021, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(halotaikor. @ Jan 31 2021, 08:07 PM)
haha. of course i wont DCA in bursa. cari pasal saja. bursa companies tak boleh pakai punya. even big companies, once it crashed really hard to recover back.

i got some Apple shares. and a few thousand ringgit in SA.

it is tempting to catch Apple at the dip now. but at the same time i feel it is safer to just DCA in SA.
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Not wrong if you believe in AAPL, i believe in it too, but is it ok for you to be significantly exposed to just AAPL rather than choosing ETF which cover a basket of stock?

I believe in Maybank, BIMB and Tenaga but i dont unnecessarily DCA and increase my exposure to this company

Since u mention Bursa, now lets talk about nasdaq listed cisco,it never recover to its previous peak even after more than 20 years. Even microsoft took more than 10 years to recover and exceed it previous peak during the dotcom buble.

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Jan 31 2021, 08:49 PM)
Since you mention this, as a comparison, how about ETF performance during dotcom bubble?
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If i remember correctly, SPY that tracks S&P 500 took around 7 years to recover just to crash again due GFC in 2008, QQQ that tracks NASDAQ 100 took at least 15 years to revover to its previous peak.

So yeah not all the etf is the same some is heavy to a certain sector or even target a specific sector.

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post Jan 31 2021, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Jan 31 2021, 09:16 PM)
If you dca msft from before dotcom bubble I don't even doubt to check that by now you will already have been very well rewarded.
In fact perhaps only yahoo is one of the tech companies until today not returning a strong growth from the 2000s till now. But im not checking and I might well be mistaken.

As Jack Bogle says, over time stocks tend to rise. (The inverse implied is that some stocks will just tank and kaput).

But we digress. And again and again, this has been discussed and discussed every page. Just enter, if you have big amount (to you) then just spread it out over 3 amounts in 3 months. The longer you wait the higher the risk of opportunity lost.
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Sure ,this is all about "what if". We can also make a scenario of people starting to invest during the bubble or at the peak or even when it come crashing down. It is all " what if" and all these is just looking back at the data. Key takeaway is never to invest in a company blindly and follow the principle of DCA blindly.

Dont get me wrong i believe in DCA for etf and unit trust and of course not all etf and not all UTF.
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post Jan 31 2021, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Jan 31 2021, 09:19 PM)
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For comparison, a good stock vs s&p500 etf.
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Dont have to preach here, everyone know s&p 500 based etf will give average return of the s&p 500 for sure it could not be as nearly as good as the performing one or as bad as the least performing one.

Since so many talking about tech bubble, then it is more relevant to QQQ and you should have compared to that.

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post Feb 10 2021, 05:07 PM

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Owh my, where did i hear that before ,inflated price for overly optimistic expectation on future profit some nearer and some further away.

Investing at any valuation regardless of the price.

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I believe the comment above just win the internet
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QUOTE(blur19755 @ Feb 14 2021, 01:26 PM)
i would recommend u start a new 36% and leave the 10% alone, cause switching it to 36% would just realized your lost...
might as well just start a new one and let 10% to slowly roll up and get back the gain in coming time.

ps: did you tracked your past transactions on what price and how many units when u bought and sold? you may have clearer picture on your gain and lost.
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That is wrong concept, the idea is about Now, right now it is already at loss. That loss is a new starting point

To make it easy for people to underrstand, someone start with 100.

After investing with port A for 6 months,
He loss 5% and now have 95 in that port

If he sell now and switch to port B with higher upside(consequently downside as well) he might gain 10% in the next 1 year
95 X 1.1 = 104.5

If he maintain with conservative portfolio, he might gain back his loss and then some after 1 year but due to less equity allocation in an uptrending market, let say 6 %
95 X 1.06 = 100.7

This is a normal idea in stock market, sometime you just have to accept your loss and move forward. The idea is the damage is already done and loss is already there whether you realised it or not,the point now is about the future.

Unless you think that it is going to a bear market soon and your conservative portfolio would have a lower downside compared to equity heavy port.



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post Feb 16 2021, 02:59 PM

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This is the benchmark;

Our same-risk benchmarks are proxied by MSCI World Equity Index (for equities) and FTSE World Government Bond Index (for bonds)

Simply as average as an average can get, 23 developed market with 1600 component
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post Feb 18 2021, 05:56 AM

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DCA when you have money of course achieve same effect if you look at one side of the equation.

DCA when you already have the money is moving from one asset to another, it is important to know if that other asset is generating return as well or not.

Think about TOTAL RETURN. Not just return in the investment you DCA into. There goes my 2 kupang.

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Feb 20 2021, 01:08 AM)
Like I mentioned, SA came in at the right time and got the right people doing the marketing+funding laugh.gif Pandemic only spurred further interest in the concept of AI and doing things via phone to most investors with deep pockets. Malaysia and Singapore society are both very conservative in general especially when it comes to finance and wealth management. Majority of the big money movers are more likely to invest in mutual funds, real estate, or shares. SA's target market are mostly Millenial generation who can't yet provide the high amounts of investment the way that older people can, unless they're the lucky few with rich inheritance or have made a successful business early.

Whether they'll be able to succeed and survive is still up in the air, and hopefully other people who use them as an investment platform knows that. Even studying banking history or recent fintech companies like e-pay/e-wallets etc., it takes years before can see if a company makes enough to survive, much less profit to the startup investors. Eventually market will start to consolidate and mergers/takeovers will happen etc.

Four years is really too early to predict or decide if something as new as robo-advisors in the ASEAN region is going to do well or not.
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I see u mention AI there, just want to see what u meant by that in the context of SA. What i know SA is automation and keeping exposure to within range of target allocation for each ETF automatically.

What i know the ETF they chose also require human intervention or decision. Correct me if i am wrong. I just dont see how AI has anything to do with SA.
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Feb 20 2021, 09:55 AM)
Automation is the key word here.

When something is automated, it's a form of AI. Still a crude form of it, but AI nonetheless. It becomes AI when it's able to "learn" from data it picks up, automatically adjusting its actions based on data.

Robo-advisors collect information from clients online, and then use this data to provide financial advice or invest client assets with moderate to minimal human intervention. Using AI, they work based on mathematical rules or algorithms.

StashAway's ERAA is a programme that analyzes data and makes decisions based on parameters keyed in by SA's analysts and investment team, where after receiving instructions it then operates without human intervention (mostly), continuously analyzing and observing market conditions to make decisions based on the data collected and the market movements. The buying and selling of your units whenever a transaction happens on the robo-advisor is done by the ERAA.

Part of why robo-advisor companies claim to keep costs low is how AI goes the grunt work of going to market to buy and sell, so they don't have to hire humans to do that for the company.
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What I know SA is doing automation not AI but whatever though it doesnt matter to me. I know some people usr AI to upsell their product, but dont kid ourselves that if A is greater than X% and proceed to sell because of that as a form of AI, it is just a trigger. My excel is automated, some of my light at home is automated but they dont make any decision.

That ERAA thing is nice as a way to upsell their product as well. Again it is just automation of set trigger based on range allowed(percentage wise) for that asset.


Remember in the end it is just investing in passive ETF where decision is taken on a broad perspective of a sector or country or region rather than a specific company which is much more trickier to get right in the long term.

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QUOTE(thecurious @ Feb 20 2021, 11:44 AM)
Nice to bring it up sometimes, think many people would already know this though.
The AI is marketing as you said. But many people use the platform for a convenient way of investing in etfs. And the convenience of multiple portfolios to choose from.
Never seen anyone so far who was impressed by its "AI" and decided to use the platform because of it.
More on the etfs and what are the holdings in the etf.
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Well i guess we never know, but we see some of the question being asked over here, i wonder what is their level of understanding in investment or even experience on them. So never say never.
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QUOTE(tbgreen @ Feb 28 2021, 12:20 PM)
For pure speculation and discussion sake, what will be the next Optimization looks like?
Last year Optimization was China centric. US presidential year was well dust & dusted US is on the road of recovery (or yet?). China & AXJ seems lost streams.
Eagerly to know (welcome speculate) which etf in and/or out.
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Back to US centric maybe? Add ESG theme etf and probably removal of gold.

I know ESG is the flavour of the day but whatever it is, make sure it gives a good return. Not just for the sake of ESG.

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QUOTE(bourse @ Mar 10 2021, 08:10 AM)
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So lucky to have same day deposit, currency conversion and buy order. Unfortunately for me it is no longer the same speed as what i have seen before, it keeps getting longer and longer even with deposit of 3k to 5k each time.

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