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> Vivian Balakrishnan remarks that Malaysia-, -Singapore water deal is "morally wrong"

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post Mar 3 2019, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Artus @ Mar 3 2019, 04:18 PM)
It was a clear-cut con job by the British, just like the building of the Causeway. Too bad we didn't realised that back then and got trapped.
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Yup, without the causeway, ship don't need Singapore. They can pass between SG and Malaysia.

So crooked bridge is also a must for us.
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Water issues aside
Damn these Singaporean politicians really know how to speak
Calm, collective, intellectual, straight to the point, clear, soft spoken, civilised

They sound so educated
Maybe because they are
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post Mar 3 2019, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(wannastudy @ Mar 3 2019, 04:21 PM)
sg has no need for msia for anythiing, from food to workers.

everything can be swtiched to another source.

the only need was water but that has ceased 10-20 years ago. even before that, 30-40 years ago, with some water rationing, sg will be okay even if water was cut.

sg will hit gdppc 80k in 2030, while msia will still be stuck at 15k, and politicians will still talk about sg being 'little brother' lol.

sg just got 4 new submarines and will be getting f35 soon. the japanese are getting 100 f35s as well.

good luck  unsure.gif
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You think malaysia need sg? What has sg contributed to Malaysia? Tourism? Why don't you say sg citizens are bored there in SG and finding a cheaper vacation gateways?
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post Mar 3 2019, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(wannastudy @ Mar 3 2019, 04:21 PM)
sg has no need for msia for anythiing, from food to workers.

everything can be swtiched to another source.

the only need was water but that has ceased 10-20 years ago. even before that, 30-40 years ago, with some water rationing, sg will be okay even if water was cut.

sg will hit gdppc 80k in 2030, while msia will still be stuck at 15k, and politicians will still talk about sg being 'little brother' lol.

sg just got 4 new submarines and will be getting f35 soon. the japanese are getting 100 f35s as well.

good luck  unsure.gif
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Haha. Then why the UK gave back HK island to China in 1997 when they don't have to. They only need to give back the New Territories.

Like you said, Singapore can get their food and water from elsewhere. Same with HK island, right? Of course, but the costs would be many, many times higher. Get it?


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post Mar 3 2019, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(wannastudy @ Mar 3 2019, 04:23 PM)
ships can use any malaysian ports now but msias ports cannot compete with sg or even china.

sg is more efficient, no corruption (wont go missing), can transport out better.
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It's for the shipping company to decides which country they prefer, they want pay rm or sgd, but we need to lift up the blockade @ causeway first.
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QUOTE(wannastudy @ Mar 3 2019, 04:23 PM)
ships can use any malaysian ports now but msias ports cannot compete with sg or even china.

sg is more efficient, no corruption (wont go missing), can transport out better.
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Transfer pricing lah.

They are stealing our profits.


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post Mar 3 2019, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(wannastudy @ Mar 3 2019, 04:34 PM)
even the nice properties in kl or johor, who do you think are buying them?

1 million ringgit, can the average msian afford?

or sporeans buying second homes (300k sgd)?
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Totally no need Singaporeans to buy. China investors can snap them all up if DrM decides to find fault with Singapore rather than China.




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post Mar 3 2019, 04:42 PM

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just use excuse pump broken, valve broken and hence sell less buy less also
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post Mar 3 2019, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(wannastudy @ Mar 3 2019, 04:31 PM)
of course, sg tourists spend lots of money in msia. when you go to johor, u see the malls, who are buying things? sg people or msians working in sg.

how u think these malls or starbucks stay open and pay rent? how you think the cofeeshop, retail, hotel, bars, repair shops all collect money to pay their staff?

sg also is one of the largest investor in msia, the amount is not a lot u are right, so feel free to cut sg off, i guess msia will surivive for sure as well.

https://www.dosm.gov.my/v1/index.php?r=colu...nMwNjdoK3g4QT09

FDI BY COUNTRY

The top five investing countries for inflows in 2014 namely Singapore, Netherlands, Hong Kong, Cayman Islands and Bermuda. These countries recorded a total of RM22.4 billion or 63.4 per cent of the total inflows in Malaysia. With regard to position as at end 2014, FDI investment was mainly originated from Singapore, Japan, Netherlands, USA and Norway which amounted to a total of RM257.7 billion or 55.1 per cent of total position in Malaysia. In term of income, USA, Singapore, Netherlands, Japan and Bermuda were the top earner in 2014. These countries recorded a total of RM39.0 billion or 62.3 per cent of total income in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(wannastudy @ Mar 3 2019, 04:34 PM)
even the nice properties in kl or johor, who do you think are buying them?

1 million ringgit, can the average msian afford?

or sporeans buying second homes (300k sgd)?

money doesnt flow from msia to sg, msia is just a developing country with not much money. money flows from sg to msia, it is the other way around.

and money flows from china, eu, usa, japan to sg.
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The foreigner property investors per above, is benefitting Malaysian or benefitting Singaporean? Sure, they paid taxes, but are they paying taxes without making any profit?

As of investment, as long as there are money to be make, anyone will make it, don't necessarily only come from SG people. And to be honest, I don't think they will give up making money and stop investing in Malaysia just because of water deal and crooked bridge.

As of tourist, who is the one get bored and wanted to find some entertainment? Have you heard how Malaysian are complaining about how Singaporean driving up the cost of living in JB?

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Mar 3 2019, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(wannastudy @ Mar 3 2019, 04:38 PM)
BTW almost every sporean i know wants msia to do well and develop well and be safe and stable country.

sporeans got another nice country to live in, retire, shopping, etc.

many sporeans willingly go msia for holiday, spend money, buy coffee, buy houses even.

but as you know, it is the old corrupted politicians and all their bs divisive stories floating around for decades in msia.
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They will continue doing so even with new water deal and crooked bridge. Look at Indonesia, no matter how fuck up the country is, Singaporean still going there for vacation.
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Mar 3 2019, 04:45 PM)
The foreigner property investors per above, is benefitting Malaysian or benefitting Singaporean?  Sure, they paid taxes, but are they paying taxes without making any profit?

As of investment, as long as there are money to be make, anyone will make it, don't necessarily only come from SG people. And to be honest, I don't think they will give up making money and investing in Malaysia just because of water deal and crooked bridge.

As of tourist, who is the one get bored and wanted to find some entertainment? Have you heard how Malaysian are complaining about how Singaporean driving up the cost of living in JB?
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I think if crowded Singapore is situated in the middle of the Indian Ocean, most of the inhabitants would have gone mad if there is no cheap budget flights out of the island.


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QUOTE(Artus @ Mar 3 2019, 03:28 PM)
I hope our government takes action just like what the Australian tax authorities are doing to their tax-avoiding large companies:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-20/tax-...-fight/10512732
Imagine we have a factory here that produced something at RM100 and intending to sell to China at RM150. The factory can avoid paying tax on the RM50 profit by "selling" to their Singapore "marketing arm" for RM100.01 and then its "marketing arm" "sells" to China for RM150, with Singapore only levying perhaps a tiny 0.25% tax on the RM49.99 profit.

This, to me, is morally wrong.
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I knew it was low, but not so low. No wonder there got so much of cash stashed in their banks

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QUOTE(aniaaw325 @ Mar 3 2019, 04:48 PM)
And we bloody hell said this is SG fault?

Our JB MB had jux admitted that we will plan to reduce dependence on SG on treated water😡

We are behaving like master race accusing other race of doing well because they work hard?
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Im not saying it's SG fault, I'm just saying it's time we milk what we can from other country instead of milking from our own people.
It's time we being more competitive against other country at the same time building good trade relationships. By good trade relationship, I mean good trading, one where the profits are shared.
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I find it strange that Malaysia media kiasu kiasi dont dare to report SG had invested billions of RM in Johor-owned Lingui dam which was handed over in 2011, upon expiry of 1st H2O agreemwent.

Any views?


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Humkaling Mamakthir should honour the agreement.

Abislah Johor if Singapore stops supplying treated water to Johor.
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QUOTE(Artus @ Mar 3 2019, 04:50 PM)
I think if crowded Singapore is situated in the middle of the Indian Ocean, most of the inhabitants would have gone mad if there is no cheap budget flights out of the island.
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Yup, fully agreed, yet some forumer here are scared of losing SG tourist and investors. They aren't China. We have nothing to be scare of SG, they will still do things they are doing now because the other alternative is exspensive.
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QUOTE(wannastudy @ Mar 3 2019, 04:55 PM)
a war may see peninsula malaysia including KL being ceded to singapore forever.

malaysia stands no chance against sg in a war. 100 state of the art fighter jets will be over msia's skies 5 mins in and johor will be lost in 2 days. usa/australia may help and the seventh fleet with another 200 airplanes and ships will block out the sunlight in peninsula malaysia.

not to mention sg is one of the biggest investor in msia, and many msians work in sg to send money home.

msia economy will collapse first, not that it has much of a high-value-services sector to begin with.

many msians will want to be singaporean citizen rather than msian citizens as well.
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Ok for me.

Meaning those malaysian come back n replace bangla here.

Meaning vegi and fish price cheaper.
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QUOTE(mleemlee232 @ Mar 3 2019, 04:54 PM)
I find it strange that Malaysia media kiasu kiasi dont dare to report SG had invested billions of RM in Johor-owned Lingui dam which was handed over in 2011, upon expiry of 1st H2O agreemwent.

Any views?
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Interesting you bring in lingui dam into discussion, there are no free meal in the world, especially when dealing with Singaporean. They will milk whatever they can.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...VcZ5dtOpHAcmdt2

Together with the water agreement signed, there was also another agreement signed with Malaysian oil company Petronas that secured the supply of 150 million cu ft (about 4.2 million cu m) of natural gas from Terengganu to Singapore.[7]Talks leading up to the 1990 water agreement had begun as far back as August 1982 when Singapore and Malaysia agreed to study ways, including the joint development of new water facilities, to enable both Singapore and Johor to draw more water from the Johor River to meet their future needs
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QUOTE(wannastudy @ Mar 3 2019, 04:10 PM)
u use the tap water in johor, it is so fresh and clean, all colourless can drink straight. because sg treats the water for johor.
u go kl and use the tap water, it is yellow with sediments, a bit disgusting.
u see the difference in STANDARDS when singaporeans do things and other ppl do things?

without singaporeans investing and shopping in johor, tomorrow all can go back farming vegetables, all the malls and shops and service sector will close.
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QUOTE(wannastudy @ Mar 3 2019, 04:21 PM)
sg has no need for msia for anythiing, from food to workers.
everything can be swtiched to another source.
the only need was water but that has ceased 10-20 years ago. even before that, 30-40 years ago, with some water rationing, sg will be okay even if water was cut.

sg will hit gdppc 80k in 2030, while msia will still be stuck at 15k (the kind of standards sg had in 1980), and politicians with brains stuck in 1970s will still talk about sg being 'little brother' lol.

sg just got 4 new submarines and will be getting f35 soon. the japanese are getting 100 f35s as well.
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wow! do u even know what ur argueing?
its like saying US or China can take over any country which is deemed "lower" than them
whose brain if stuck backward? i'm sure even sg politicians wont make such statement

please for the water, just admit u guys are cheapskate trying to squeeze the deal at expense of others. and will do whatever cheap underhand way to make it ur way.
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Trump pull out of a fair agreement all the time no problem..why malaysia pull out of illogical agreement causing problem?

Malaysia so soft..why not stop the water and bring the case to ICJ? I confident even the judge there will find the term in the agreement ridiculous

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