1 of these days I'll go down and find my Hyflux contact, ask him what the hell happened

It is ironic that Vivian used "red herring" because his arguments were full of them as well.

Let's look at Singapore's points:
1) The 1962 water agreement is a contract and contracts cannot be broken and are sacrosanct.
BS. Contracts are broken all the time. Even treaties can be broken. What follows are consequences

2) The 1965 contract is a basis of the separation and to break it calls into question the very Separation.
BS. The water agreement is not a foundational principle of the Separation but an accommodation to the Separation.
He is saying if the water agreement is not adhered to, the Separation agreement flounders. We need to distinguish between them.

3) Malaysia did not review rates in 1987 and hence has lost all right for further review.
This is debatable. Does passing on a milestone review negate any right forever to review it in perpetuity? Can be argued that Malaysia delayed a decision without prejudice.
For Singapore to say this with finality is disingenuous.

What Malaysia says:
1) This is an unfair contract. Unfair commercial contracts are brought before judicial review or arbitration all the time
2) Singapore is profiting tremendously at their own citizens' expense. Singapore always downplays this.

The reality:
1) Malaysia can choose to terminate but there are consequences. The biggest consequence is that Johor and Melaka rely on Singapore's water. If Malaysia starts building capacity here, then we can get Singapore's attention and bargain. Right now we have no leverage.
2) Malaysia can dam the water out of spite. There is no win win here so this is an immature response. But it creates leverage and uncertainty for Singapore which may help with negotiations
3) Malaysia can propose terms for extending supply if rates are backdated to today. Little strategic value as in the long run, Malaysia does not ned to $ and would still rely on Singapore to furnish water to Johor.
4) at the end, Malaysia's response has always been to tie the water to a package of agreements in the main: ILS Seletar, Johor port harbour limits, KYM land, CPF of West malaysians etc etc

The unknown:
LKY's Singapore hsa said they would defend and go to war over water. The Singapore armed forces strategy has always been to hold ground in Johor for 72 hours and sue for peace.
This doctrine is questionable today. Singapore has always had the hardware to do so but what has changed is how interconnected its economy is to the rest of the world. Before it was port shipping, whichSingapore could protect with its navy. But today, Singapore runs and trades on sentiment and services. The moment the first bullet is fired, Singapore's knowledge economy will be ruined and may never recover. Investors will flee, its sizeable foreign expertise will run and its primary mechanism of inflation management, the S$ will collapse. Malaysia can hunker down for the long term. A war, even if limited and precise, will hurt Singapore irreparably.

The reality:
1) Malaysia can choose to terminate but there are consequences. The biggest consequence is that Johor and Melaka rely on Singapore's water. If Malaysia starts building capacity here, then we can get Singapore's attention and bargain. Right now we have no leverage.
2) Malaysia can dam the water out of spite. There is no win win here so this is an immature response. But it creates leverage and uncertainty for Singapore which may help with negotiations
3) Malaysia can propose terms for extending supply if rates are backdated to today. Little strategic value as in the long run, Malaysia does not ned to $ and would still rely on Singapore to furnish water to Johor.
4) at the end, Malaysia's response has always been to tie the water to a package of agreements in the main: ILS Seletar, Johor port harbour limits, KYM land, CPF of West malaysians etc etc

A lot of the raw water of Johor already diverted to Singapore in the first place so how to produce enough treated water? This agreement, just like the building of the Causeway, was another trick by the British. On the surface, it looked as if both the building of the Causeway and the water agreement would benefit Malaysia but in fact we kena conned left, right and center.

Furthermore, as indicated in the video, if Malaysia increase the price of raw water, what is there to prevent Singapore to jack up the price of treated water to Malaysia? Isn't that stupid?

see how civilised them in the august house

Our papers had never reported the amount of money SG spent in water treatment plants in johor. The 1st water treatment plant had been handed over to Johor in 2011.

Talk to any Johorians esp those in JB n they will tell you that water rationing is not as common as in other parts of MY.

Actually,  really think it is a complete waste of time for us to discuss water. 

What we need is to up our own game which obviously is more difficult than just playing politics.

The official explanation apparently is that hyflux betted big on energy generation in their latest tuaspring plant, but then energy prices tanked so nobody wanted to buy it over and so they just bled money until coffers were dry.

Where u get this info from ?? 1% that's super low

At issue was the margin on mark-ups for commodities BHP sold to its Singapore operations. The island nation's headline company tax rate is 17 per cent, but in years gone by, companies like BHP have been able to legally reduce it to near-zero, thanks to generous incentives from Singapore's Government.

Marketing hubs established by the mining giants allow commodities dug up in Australia, such as iron ore and coal, to be sold to the companies' own operations in Singapore, before they are subsequently sold with a high mark-up to China and other nations.

bullshit

talk about moral when they know they are buying really cheap and unfair price, then wants to hide behind the deal

bullying malaysia while trying to be on high moral ground really makes us puke

Vivian is for male.

Vivienne is female form of Vivian.

like how Danielle is female form of Daniel.

and so on...

sg is already self sufficient in water through NEWater and desalination. in fact, sg has been supplying johor with water when it had shortages in the past few years. malaysia has been threatening to cut for a long time not.

i think just cut water is good, just cut all. sg can also send all malaysians working in singapore back to malaysia. also embargo malaysia, dont buy anything or invest in malaysia. let all the malls and properties and businesses collapse.

sg can simply buy fruits and food from thailand or indonesia instead, sg doesnt need malaysia for anything, including water these days.

go go go   

a war may see peninsula malaysia including KL being ceded to singapore forever.

malaysia stands no chance against sg in a war.

not to mention sg is one of the biggest investor in msia, and many msians work in sg to send money home.

msia economy will collapse first, not that it has much of a high-value-services sector to begin with.

many msians will want to be singaporean citizen rather than msian citizens as well.

a war may see peninsula malaysia including KL being ceded to singapore forever.

malaysia stands no chance against sg in a war. 100 state of the art fighter jets will be over msia's skies 5 mins in and johor will be lost in 2 days. usa/australia may help and the seventh fleet with another 200 airplanes and ships will block out the sunlight in peninsula malaysia.

not to mention sg is one of the biggest investor in msia, and many msians work in sg to send money home.

msia economy will collapse first, not that it has much of a high-value-services sector to begin with.

many msians will want to be singaporean citizen rather than msian citizens as well.

sg has been self sufficient 10 years ago, sg only imports water because it is cheaper. sg can produce water to cover 2x-3x of what it uses.

sg can send all malaysians back home and replace them with 1 billion indians or chinese or thais EASILY, just cancel all their work visas and within a year all gone. many chinese/indians/filipinoes, all want to work in SG. there is no lack of low skilled workers wanting to work in SG

buying food from thailand is not much more expensive than buying from msia, thai rice and msian rice same price anyway.

sg has been self sufficient 10 years ago, sg only imports water because it is cheaper. sg can produce water to cover 2x-3x of what it uses.

sg can send all malaysians back home and replace them with 1 billion indians or chinese or thais EASILY, just cancel all their work visas and within a year all gone. many chinese/indians/filipinoes, all want to work in SG. there is no lack of low skilled workers wanting to work in SG

buying food from thailand is not much more expensive than buying from msia, thai rice and msian rice same price anyway.

u use the tap water in johor, it is so fresh and clean, all colourless can drink straight. because sg treats the water for johor.

u go kl and use the tap water, it is yellow with sediments, a bit disgusting.

u see the difference in STANDARDS when singaporeans do things and other ppl do things?

without singaporeans investing and shopping in johor, tomorrow all can go back farming vegetables, all the malls and shops and service sector will close.

See their game? Buying raw water from us, treated it and selling it back to us, now, we are paying them instead of they paying us.

Singapore pays 3 sen (1 Singapore cent) per 1,000 gallons of raw water, and sells treated water back to Johor at 50 sen per 1,000 gallons.

Singapore drawing up to 250 million gallons a day (mgd) of raw water from the Johor River, and Johor entitled to 5mgd of treated water from Singapore.

Per above, SG buying raw water from us @ rm 7500, they are selling treated water to us @ rm 2500.
In the video, the minister admitted that they are selling more than the agreement of 5mgd @ 16 million gallons of treated water back to us. So they paid us rm7500, we pay them rm 8000.00. We actually paying then rm 500 daily.

Walao, we give them 250 m gallons, they give us back 16 m gallons and we need to pay them at the end of the day. Win liao lo.

We don't know how to treat water? We don't have land to build water treatment plant? We don't have money? Don't have technology? I suggest no more exporting raw water to sg, they want buy, buy treated water from us @ rate 40 cent / 1000 gallon (20% below what they selling us) we will build water treatment plant in johor.

these plants can already produce 2-3x the amount of water singapore uses.

signapore has NO NEED to import water from johor anymore but does so because it is CHEAPER.

it is the same old silly politicians trying to stir crap...but their brains still stuck in 1970s...SG is already in 2020!!