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post Jul 7 2020, 04:11 PM

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my experience with 250cc Sportsbike 2 pistons)

eo- using amsoil 2 bottles+oil filter = rm180

spark plugs - ngk (the normal ones) - roughly around rm35+labor

rad flush+coolant - rm120 roughly... cant remember

chain+sprocket RK - rm350 with labor

tires - Depends but used pirelli angel ct for the rear - rm250
front tire - metzeller sportec street - rm 149 with labor


fuel consumption - full tank shell ron 97 - 250km+- (depending how i ride it)


my current bike 600cc (sportsbike 4inline)

eo - using belray 4 bottles (3.6l to be exact)+ oil filter = rm250+-

Spark plugs - NGK - rm230++ (for 4+ labor)

rad flush+ coolant - rm90 flush and coolant using toyota coolant (red)+ distilled water around rm35+- plus labor (later i add on since that thing needs a freaking dose of burping the system. i poured about 1.5 liters more+toyota coolant for my satisfaction)

tires - rear - rm700++ for a shinko apex 190 65 17
front - continental sports attack 110 70 17 - rm300

other misc things - burned rectifier - rm450
ecu change - rm700
heat reflective - rm100

fuel consumption - 17l of ron 97 can go for like 250km+- (depending the way i ride)

things need to be done - cct - RM????
valve clearance - RM????
chain and sprocket - RM???

so this is what i spend for both of my bike.

This post has been edited by g3n0c|d3: Jul 7 2020, 06:13 PM
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post Jul 10 2020, 07:25 AM

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For those who have/had kawa er6n or versys 650, what's the service interval from the owner's manual, is it 5000km or 10000km? Also been curious on how much was the cost for road tax for 250cc and the 650cc.

How long does a fresh set of tires can last, if not riding aggresively (since 650cc already had nice torques)

This post has been edited by terradrive: Jul 10 2020, 07:26 AM
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post Jul 10 2020, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jul 10 2020, 07:25 AM)
For those who have/had kawa er6n or versys 650, what's the service interval from the owner's manual, is it 5000km or 10000km? Also been curious on how much was the cost for road tax for 250cc and the 650cc.

How long does a fresh set of tires can last, if not riding aggresively (since 650cc already had nice torques)
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if using fully synthetic eo, 5k km usually. if semi around 3k km, if mineral 1.5k km. that is my rule of thumb when changing eo for bikes regardless of what bike u use. this is based on the riding styles too. if ure kindda aggressive with it maybe sooner than stated.

thou some eo manufacturer claims that their eo can go to 10k km (like amsoil) i wont push my luck too much.

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post Jul 10 2020, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jul 10 2020, 07:25 AM)
For those who have/had kawa er6n or versys 650, what's the service interval from the owner's manual, is it 5000km or 10000km? Also been curious on how much was the cost for road tax for 250cc and the 650cc.

How long does a fresh set of tires can last, if not riding aggresively (since 650cc already had nice torques)
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It depends on which brand of eo u use.. Every person will give different interval if u ask around.. If you're used to ur bike, u can probably know when need to service as you will feel some harshness during gear changing.. Then it is the limit.. I have tried -
1) Kawasaki fully, just 3k+ km already need to change.
2) Then one more time (I forgot the brand coz it's my second time service) semi-syn, 1k km I go change already.. Very bad quality oil.
3) Rockoil semi, 5k km still good but I changed it anyway..
4) Now I stick to liqui-molly semi and 5k km service interval (still good also, but I think 5k km is good enough so I change anyway)..

Regarding tires, I just changed my 3rd set -
1st set Metzeller M5 (soft compound) - Rear 8k km, Front 19k km.
2nd set Pirelli Angel ST (hard compound) - Rear 16k km, Front 5k km still got 90+% left (I changed this at 5k km to match my rear tyre)
3rd set Metzeller Roadtec 01 (hard compound) - Just changed rear and front, using now.

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post Jul 10 2020, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 10 2020, 10:34 AM)
if using fully synthetic eo, 5k km usually. if semi around 3k km, if mineral 1.5k km. that is my rule of thumb when changing eo for bikes regardless of what bike u use. this is based on the riding styles too. if ure kindda aggressive with it maybe sooner than stated.

thou some eo manufacturer claims that their eo can go to 10k km (like amsoil) i wont push my luck too much.
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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 10 2020, 03:53 PM)
It depends on which brand of eo u use.. Every person will give different interval if u ask around.. If you're used to ur bike, u can probably know when need to service as you will feel some harshness during gear changing.. Then it is the limit.. I have tried -
1) Kawasaki fully, just 3k+ km already need to change.
2) Then one more time (I forgot the brand coz it's my second time service) semi-syn, 1k km I go change already.. Very bad quality oil.
3) Rockoil semi, 5k km still good but I changed it anyway..
4) Now I stick to liqui-molly semi and 5k km service interval (still good also, but I think 5k km is good enough so I change anyway)..

Regarding tires, I just changed my 3rd set -
1st set Metzeller M5 (soft compound) - Rear 8k km, Front 19k km.
2nd set Pirelli Angel ST (hard compound) - Rear 16k km, Front 5k km still got 90+% left (I changed this at 5k km to match my rear tyre)
3rd set Metzeller Roadtec 01 (hard compound) - Just changed rear and front, using now.
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I checked other country's er6n owner's manual and it was stated the service interval there is 12000km or yearly whichever comes first, more in line with the modern cars. And yes, the cheaper oil do feel harsh even before the service interval, the one I used long time ago that can go up to 4000km+ on my suzuki 150cc four stroke was silkolene Pro 4, and that's pretty pricey now. But if it can last at least 6 months or 7000-8000km for er6n it would be worth it. How much are those semi synt oils per bottle?

The tyre lifespan is pretty reasonable, better than kapcais.

This post has been edited by terradrive: Jul 10 2020, 06:13 PM
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post Jul 10 2020, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jul 10 2020, 06:06 PM)
I checked other country's er6n owner's manual and it was stated the service interval there is 12000km or yearly whichever comes first, more in line with the modern cars. And yes, the cheaper oil do feel harsh even before the service interval, the one I used long time ago that can go up to 4000km+ on my suzuki 150cc four stroke was silkolene Pro 4, and that's pretty pricey now. But if it can last at least 6 months or 7000-8000km for er6n it would be worth it. How much are those semi synt oils per bottle?

The tyre lifespan is pretty reasonable, better than kapcais.
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Yea saw on other post manual written 10k or 12k km, but I doubt anyone following it.. sweat.gif Mainly due to different quality of eo, so it's hard to follow exactly in the manual.. Even their own Kawasaki eo is not meant to last so long (but it's cheap anyway).. sweat.gif Liqui-molly I'm using is rm48/btl, needed 2btl.. BTW, I think should be OK to run it till 7k-8k km, just that I never tried stretch so far yet.. Will try to do someday.. Coz currently I still feel 5k is reasonable enough for me..
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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 10 2020, 07:01 PM)
Yea saw on other post manual written 10k or 12k km, but I doubt anyone following it.. sweat.gif Mainly due to different quality of eo, so it's hard to follow exactly in the manual.. Even their own Kawasaki eo is not meant to last so long (but it's cheap anyway)..  sweat.gif  Liqui-molly I'm using is rm48/btl, needed 2btl.. BTW, I think should be OK to run it till 7k-8k km, just that I never tried stretch so far yet.. Will try to do someday.. Coz currently I still feel 5k is reasonable enough for me..
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er6n only needs 2 botol oil? nice leh modern 2 cylinder bikes. I had a chance to use 400cc inline 4 for two months many years ago, and those old bikes needed 3 bottles.
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post Jul 10 2020, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jul 10 2020, 07:24 PM)
er6n only needs 2 botol oil? nice leh modern 2 cylinder bikes. I had a chance to use 400cc inline 4 for two months many years ago, and those old bikes needed 3 bottles.
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I think numbers of cylinder plays role there? Coz as I know XJ6 also 3.4L despite slightly smaller cc.. That is one main consideration I put in besides the bike price before I decide to buy my er6.. Haha... Use it mainly for daily commuting replacing my car.. Ended up I'm enjoying my bike more than my car.. Since one year of owning this bike, my car just clocked in at 2k km... Wasted my fully eo.. haha doh.gif
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post Jul 10 2020, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 10 2020, 03:53 PM)
It depends on which brand of eo u use.. Every person will give different interval if u ask around.. If you're used to ur bike, u can probably know when need to service as you will feel some harshness during gear changing.. Then it is the limit.. I have tried -
1) Kawasaki fully, just 3k+ km already need to change.
2) Then one more time (I forgot the brand coz it's my second time service) semi-syn, 1k km I go change already.. Very bad quality oil.
3) Rockoil semi, 5k km still good but I changed it anyway..
4) Now I stick to liqui-molly semi and 5k km service interval (still good also, but I think 5k km is good enough so I change anyway)..

Regarding tires, I just changed my 3rd set -
1st set Metzeller M5 (soft compound) - Rear 8k km, Front 19k km.
2nd set Pirelli Angel ST (hard compound) - Rear 16k km, Front 5k km still got 90+% left (I changed this at 5k km to match my rear tyre)
3rd set Metzeller Roadtec 01 (hard compound) - Just changed rear and front, using now.
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What grade EO you use? I am using 10W-50.
How's the Roadtec01 compared to the other 2? I'm happy with mine.
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post Jul 10 2020, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 7 2020, 04:11 PM)
my current bike 600cc (sportsbike 4inline)

eo - using belray 4 bottles (3.6l to be exact)+ oil filter = rm250+-

Spark plugs - NGK - rm230++ (for 4+ labor)

rad flush+ coolant - rm90 flush and coolant using toyota coolant (red)+ distilled water around rm35+- plus labor (later i add on since that thing needs a freaking dose of burping the system. i poured about 1.5 liters more+toyota coolant for my satisfaction)

tires - rear - rm700++ for a shinko apex 190 65 17
        front - continental sports attack 110 70 17  - rm300

other misc things - burned rectifier - rm450
                            ecu change      - rm700
                            heat reflective  - rm100

fuel consumption - 17l of ron 97 can go for like 250km+- (depending the way i ride)

things need to be done - cct - RM????
                                    valve clearance - RM????
                                    chain and sprocket - RM???

so this is what i spend for both of my bike.
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Are those your stock tire sizes?
I thought 120/70 and 180/55?
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post Jul 11 2020, 05:17 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jul 10 2020, 09:39 PM)
What grade EO you use? I am using 10W-50.
How's the Roadtec01 compared to the other 2? I'm happy with mine.
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I'm using 15w-50 coz mainly is long distance.. The Roadtec 01 feels noticeable better than the Angel ST in wet condition.. As these few days keep raining, tested it a lot... Actually I changed my rear on Monday, yesterday only go change my front eventho still got 90+%... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jul 10 2020, 07:25 AM)
For those who have/had kawa er6n or versys 650, what's the service interval from the owner's manual, is it 5000km or 10000km? Also been curious on how much was the cost for road tax for 250cc and the 650cc.

How long does a fresh set of tires can last, if not riding aggresively (since 650cc already had nice torques)
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I’m using Versys. My mileage is low, so I follow duration service everyway 6 months.
If mileage I think should be 5k km. still service mine with SC.
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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 11 2020, 05:17 AM)
I'm using 15w-50 coz mainly is long distance.. The Roadtec 01 feels noticeable better than the Angel ST in wet condition.. As these few days keep raining, tested it a lot... Actually I changed my rear on Monday, yesterday only go change my front eventho still got 90+%...  tongue.gif
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you wasted the Angel ST front tyre then? can sell seken hand tho...
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post Jul 11 2020, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jul 10 2020, 09:44 PM)
Are those your stock tire sizes?
I thought 120/70 and 180/55?
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eh depan 120 sorry... yes back i use 190.... since that's the stock they have. and it fits nicely too. shinko is a heavy tyre so performance drop la a bit but taking corners... it will do it like nobody's business lol...
but will go down to 180 on the next tire since its a tad heavy and no performance gain pon.... just look nice la from behind

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post Jul 12 2020, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 11 2020, 11:23 PM)
eh depan 120 sorry... yes back i use 190.... since that's the stock they have. and it fits nicely too. shinko is a heavy tyre so performance drop la a bit but taking corners... it will do it like nobody's business lol...
but will go down to 180 on the next tire since its a tad heavy and no performance gain pon.... just look nice la from behind
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hopefully can meet up someday, and also try ur bike.
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QUOTE(alexei @ Jul 10 2020, 09:39 PM)
What grade EO you use? I am using 10W-50.
How's the Roadtec01 compared to the other 2? I'm happy with mine.
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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 11 2020, 05:17 AM)
I'm using 15w-50 coz mainly is long distance.. The Roadtec 01 feels noticeable better than the Angel ST in wet condition.. As these few days keep raining, tested it a lot... Actually I changed my rear on Monday, yesterday only go change my front eventho still got 90+%...  tongue.gif
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me using roadtec01 as well. first rear lasted 18k km...now using 2nd rear....front has around 22k km on it and still running.

just an FYI, metzeller has released the Roadtec 01 SE

not in MY yet... but hopefully it comes in the next 10k km of my bike laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 12 2020, 02:47 PM)
me using roadtec01 as well. first rear lasted 18k km...now using 2nd rear....front has around 22k km on it and still running.

just an FYI, metzeller has released the Roadtec 01 SE

not in MY yet... but hopefully it comes in the next 10k km of my bike laugh.gif
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Yeah, I heard. SE more traction at lean.
18k on rear, wow. Mine at 5th thousand now.
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 12 2020, 02:47 PM)
me using roadtec01 as well. first rear lasted 18k km...now using 2nd rear....front has around 22k km on it and still running.

just an FYI, metzeller has released the Roadtec 01 SE

not in MY yet... but hopefully it comes in the next 10k km of my bike laugh.gif
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18k km only? Told it was supposed to last longer... doh.gif Anyway, this grip is good enough for me atm... Not really an aggressive rider... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 12 2020, 09:41 PM)
18k km only? Told it was supposed to last longer...  doh.gif  Anyway, this grip is good enough for me atm... Not really an aggressive rider...  tongue.gif
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18k km is impressive from what I read.

One blogger I followed, reported 11~12k km on his rear Roadtec, similar to his PR4. Another reason I choose it becoz it's cheaper than other brands here, but more expensive in other countries. Either we're getting it at a bargain, or other brands are over-priced.

Pressure wise, I put 32F/36R lately, but before this was 32F/42R. Lower pressure on the rear gave me noticeably more riding confidence, particularly at uneven corners. Some folks I ride with go as low as 28R.
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QUOTE(alexei @ Jul 13 2020, 09:10 AM)
18k km is impressive from what I read.

One blogger I followed, reported 11~12k km on his rear Roadtec, similar to his PR4. Another reason I choose it becoz it's cheaper than other brands here, but more expensive in other countries. Either we're getting it at a bargain, or other brands are over-priced.

Pressure wise, I put 32F/36R lately, but before this was 32F/42R. Lower pressure on the rear gave me noticeably more riding confidence, particularly at uneven corners. Some folks I ride with go as low as 28R.
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My previous Angel ST lasted around 16k km with around 10% left... I was told Roasted 01 is way durable... Think I've been conned... Haha... But anyway, no regret... Just did a Cameron ride yesterday thru Sungai Koyan and it serve me sell... thumbup.gif I try stick to recommended pressure @ 32f/36r... Tried go higher on rear last time @40 but it makes the tyre become squarish faster...

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