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 250cc vs 600cc maintenance cost, same or not

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alexei
post Jul 6 2020, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(Kooi @ Jul 6 2020, 02:13 AM)
Hi,
Plan to buy CB650R or rebel 500? Any comment? Thanks by
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both good bikes
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post Jul 10 2020, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 10 2020, 03:53 PM)
It depends on which brand of eo u use.. Every person will give different interval if u ask around.. If you're used to ur bike, u can probably know when need to service as you will feel some harshness during gear changing.. Then it is the limit.. I have tried -
1) Kawasaki fully, just 3k+ km already need to change.
2) Then one more time (I forgot the brand coz it's my second time service) semi-syn, 1k km I go change already.. Very bad quality oil.
3) Rockoil semi, 5k km still good but I changed it anyway..
4) Now I stick to liqui-molly semi and 5k km service interval (still good also, but I think 5k km is good enough so I change anyway)..

Regarding tires, I just changed my 3rd set -
1st set Metzeller M5 (soft compound) - Rear 8k km, Front 19k km.
2nd set Pirelli Angel ST (hard compound) - Rear 16k km, Front 5k km still got 90+% left (I changed this at 5k km to match my rear tyre)
3rd set Metzeller Roadtec 01 (hard compound) - Just changed rear and front, using now.
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What grade EO you use? I am using 10W-50.
How's the Roadtec01 compared to the other 2? I'm happy with mine.
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post Jul 10 2020, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 7 2020, 04:11 PM)
my current bike 600cc (sportsbike 4inline)

eo - using belray 4 bottles (3.6l to be exact)+ oil filter = rm250+-

Spark plugs - NGK - rm230++ (for 4+ labor)

rad flush+ coolant - rm90 flush and coolant using toyota coolant (red)+ distilled water around rm35+- plus labor (later i add on since that thing needs a freaking dose of burping the system. i poured about 1.5 liters more+toyota coolant for my satisfaction)

tires - rear - rm700++ for a shinko apex 190 65 17
        front - continental sports attack 110 70 17  - rm300

other misc things - burned rectifier - rm450
                            ecu change      - rm700
                            heat reflective  - rm100

fuel consumption - 17l of ron 97 can go for like 250km+- (depending the way i ride)

things need to be done - cct - RM????
                                    valve clearance - RM????
                                    chain and sprocket - RM???

so this is what i spend for both of my bike.
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Are those your stock tire sizes?
I thought 120/70 and 180/55?
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post Jul 11 2020, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 11 2020, 05:17 AM)
I'm using 15w-50 coz mainly is long distance.. The Roadtec 01 feels noticeable better than the Angel ST in wet condition.. As these few days keep raining, tested it a lot... Actually I changed my rear on Monday, yesterday only go change my front eventho still got 90+%...  tongue.gif
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you wasted the Angel ST front tyre then? can sell seken hand tho...
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post Jul 12 2020, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 11 2020, 11:23 PM)
eh depan 120 sorry... yes back i use 190.... since that's the stock they have. and it fits nicely too. shinko is a heavy tyre so performance drop la a bit but taking corners... it will do it like nobody's business lol...
but will go down to 180 on the next tire since its a tad heavy and no performance gain pon.... just look nice la from behind
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hopefully can meet up someday, and also try ur bike.
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post Jul 12 2020, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 12 2020, 02:47 PM)
me using roadtec01 as well. first rear lasted 18k km...now using 2nd rear....front has around 22k km on it and still running.

just an FYI, metzeller has released the Roadtec 01 SE

not in MY yet... but hopefully it comes in the next 10k km of my bike laugh.gif
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Yeah, I heard. SE more traction at lean.
18k on rear, wow. Mine at 5th thousand now.
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post Jul 13 2020, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 12 2020, 09:41 PM)
18k km only? Told it was supposed to last longer...  doh.gif  Anyway, this grip is good enough for me atm... Not really an aggressive rider...  tongue.gif
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18k km is impressive from what I read.

One blogger I followed, reported 11~12k km on his rear Roadtec, similar to his PR4. Another reason I choose it becoz it's cheaper than other brands here, but more expensive in other countries. Either we're getting it at a bargain, or other brands are over-priced.

Pressure wise, I put 32F/36R lately, but before this was 32F/42R. Lower pressure on the rear gave me noticeably more riding confidence, particularly at uneven corners. Some folks I ride with go as low as 28R.
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post Jul 13 2020, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 13 2020, 01:39 PM)
My previous Angel ST lasted around 16k km with around 10% left... I was told Roasted 01 is way durable... Think I've been conned... Haha... But anyway, no regret... Just did a Cameron ride yesterday thru Sungai Koyan and it serve me sell...  thumbup.gif I try stick to recommended pressure @ 32f/36r... Tried go higher on rear last time @40 but it makes the tyre become squarish faster...
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Eh, Angel ST is not dual compound leh. With that also lasted 16k km? Hopefully Roasted 01 will double that for you. Why you call it Roasted ah?
IMO Angel ST to Roadtec01 is one step up. The competitor for Roadtec01 is the Angel GT or Angel GT II. From an article I just saw, Pirelli owns Metzeler so are considered the same company? Now it feels even better to be running a set of Metzelers... haha
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post Jul 14 2020, 10:11 AM

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I see, I'd say Z8 and ST are the same level. Maybe jaga wallet a bit, next one use either one of these, whichever is cheaper or available. Next important thing is to make time for more rides.

QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 13 2020, 08:37 PM)
Phone auto correction haha... Ya I was actually asking for roadtec z8, but the seller say better use back Angel ST and save some $$ as Angel ST is slightly cheaper with near same performance... He said either take one step up to roadtec 01, or use back Angel ST... No point wasting money on z8... Still, most recommended is PR5 which is way out of my budget... Haha...
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 13 2020, 10:04 PM)
There are those that reported higher with the roadtecs...might be im riding more aggressive or something

Met a guy who got 26k km on the rear with his cb650f..n he carries pillion n full top n side boxes alot

Depends on ur riding conditions i guess

N the roadtec01 is supposed to be the replacement for z8
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post Jul 14 2020, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 14 2020, 12:47 PM)
From the place I purchase, ST and 01 price difference - f = rm50, r = rm150 only... Which I think if 01 can get greater mileage, then the price-mileage ratio will be the same.. Not to mention better grip on the 01... So 01 will definitely be my choice...
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Good point.

QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 14 2020, 02:06 PM)
I personally wont bother with the angels.unless its the gt...but thats for different reasons hahaha

Aftee this 01 runs out i wanna give the t31 a try pulak...n after that the pr5...at least thats the plan

If 01se comes in...the plan may change heh
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later i post pic of my Roadtec01...
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post Jul 14 2020, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 14 2020, 02:51 PM)
as for me wait my shinko botak 1st then change to conti sports attack
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can share their wear pattern? what it looks like on the sides? how hard do you ride the bike?
asking becoz i wanna try shinko also, and interested to see how it wears under Malaysian weather.
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post Jul 15 2020, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 14 2020, 10:45 PM)
im using shinko apex 010. all i can say is the grip when the road is hot is excellent. however i do occasionally feel its slipping... not the tyres' fault really, more towards the sand on the road. its sensitive in that way. not really good on wet condition. the carcass is hard and on the heavy side, so if ure the guy who loves taking corners but wont mind sacrificing a bit of the top end, this is for u. the tyre profile also u know already its design for cornering in mind.

Price wise... well here in malaysia its kindda on the expensive side. for the price u can get better brands really. i bought this dirt cheap and thats why i use it.
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Yaya, Shinko Apex you mentioned... searched online for trackday review, found this guy saying those tyres gone before reach the TWI mark. Is that why you changing soon? Feels don't dare to use it yet.

Looks like after a while, once the oil in tyres can use up, it will quickly lose grip. Read that track tyres like can only tahan few rounds of warm up and cool down before losing performance. Guessing that's why got many second hand track tyres for cheap. Saw many of those tyres have biji2 bumps, which is an indication of over-heating.

Where do you go cornering? I follow frens every other weekend for cornering practice.
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post Jul 16 2020, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ Jul 14 2020, 02:38 PM)
Please update on any dedicated/new topic ya... Would be very helpful... Those are on my list too... Btw, heard T31 had great mileage too, but after 50% don't feel nice... Don't know how true was that...
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fren of a fren use T31 on Z9, slide and no confidence... YMMV
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post Jul 16 2020, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 16 2020, 12:40 PM)
on a Z9? damn...im on Z9 too.

wat kinda rider is he? cornering kaki? touring kaki?

sliding in rain? or in corners?
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The rider is experienced rider, superbikes, sports tourer, street sports. The Z9 belongs to his friend, stock setup, rode it up Cameron on a good day and that was his feedback. He wants to replace S22 with T31 as next tyre on his bike and re-assess. Not to brag, but as reference, his S22 no chicken strips, for real. So, maybe T31 isn't suitable for him.
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post Jul 16 2020, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 16 2020, 01:11 PM)
then that kinda rider for sure the T31 not suitable for him.... completely different usage which is why they have different models of tires in the first place laugh.gif
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for the same reason, he cannot afford his tyres... hence T31, before switching brands.

 

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