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 4k tv under RM3k, Sony or Samsung or LG??

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post Jun 18 2019, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(benblitz @ Jun 17 2019, 06:37 PM)
Can anyone comment between the two models?
Budget can burst slightly to 4K but as always if can get lower peice the better. Just went to desa home theatre and quoted this price:

Samsung 55NU8000 3,699
LG 55UK7500PTA 2,899

Could not find much information on the LG model but the brightness is quite good. I am fairly new to this HDR scene, but I have been calibrating my display with an i1Pro before so I can somewhat eyeball color accuracy to target 6500K.

Alas, my knowledge on HDR, local dimming etc. is close to zero, need you guys opinion and justification between the two. I have seen @Convael comments is really well informative hopefully can get some insight from you.

Essentially my viewing distance is within 2 to 3 metres, source material is a PS4 Pro and 4K netflix. Does 55" suffice or would need 65"?

Edit: Some background, i am currently using Sony WE75 49" 1080p HDR10 display. It is one of the model that was launched together initially with PS4 Pro. But i do not have any information on this TV model and I no longer have my colorimeter to do measurement. But I doubt that this model is a True HDR10 and I suspect that it may be a Fake HDR without any sort of local dimming whatsoever. If anyone do have any information on this model is welcomed to pitch in. Because as of now though my TV is displaying "HDR" contents, I dont think it produces enough brightness to properly do HDR content justice. Hence would be good if my next TV can at least serve some justice to HDR content with a good price.
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The NU8000 is a lot more consistently brighter than UK7500 .

UK7500 may look bright enough in the shop . But TV shops don't usually loop HDR demo because it makes TV consumes more electricity in the long run.
Download some HDR demo clip on a thumbdrive and play them on the said TV.

And unlike most things in real life , TV only shows its " true colors " when the lights are turned off . Every little flaw on the screen is made more obvious in the dark.
Which is why it is impossible to determine the Picture Quality from demo in shop which is usually bright and well lit.

The same reason why last year , during Samsung QLED 's debut event they have briefly dimmed down the lights to show off the picture quality of their high end QLED Models .


I remembered the W750X model from Sony . It was one of the very rare 1080p TV that is compatible with HDR .
Unfortunately as you described , it can't get bright enough to extend the dynamic range of the pictures since it doesn't has a Local Dimming system.

The whole purpose of getting 4k TV , is you can sit closer to the screen and not having to see all the pixelation.
Without dwelling into too much details because this topic has been widely discussed , if you are below sitting below 2.5 m , 55" will be fine . Further than 2.5m , 65" + is ideal.
Typically if the TV screen is filling up roughly ~ 40%-60% of your vision field , that should be your comfort zone.

Remember these are merely guidelines . They are more of a recommendation but not absolute rules . Feel free to make adjustment if needed .
Of course if you have a bigger TV , you also have more flexibility to adjust the distance between your seat and the screen.



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QUOTE(Convael @ Jun 18 2019, 02:49 PM)
The NU8000 is a lot more consistently brighter than UK7500 .

UK7500 may look bright enough in the shop . But TV shops don't usually loop HDR demo because it makes TV consumes more electricity in the long run.
Download some HDR demo clip on a thumbdrive and play them on the said TV.

And unlike most things in real life , TV only shows its " true colors " when the lights are turned off . Every little flaw on the screen is made more obvious in the dark.
Which is why it is impossible to determine the Picture Quality from demo in shop which is usually bright and well lit.

The same reason why last year , during Samsung QLED 's debut event they have briefly dimmed down the lights to show off the picture quality of their high end QLED Models .
I remembered the W750X model from Sony . It was one of the very rare 1080p TV that is compatible with HDR .
Unfortunately as you described , it can't get bright enough to extend the dynamic range of the pictures since it doesn't has a Local Dimming system.

The whole purpose of getting 4k TV , is you can sit closer to the screen and not having to see all the pixelation.
Without dwelling into too much details because this topic has been widely discussed ,  if you are below sitting below 2.5 m , 55" will be fine . Further than 2.5m , 65" + is ideal. 
Typically if the TV screen is filling up roughly ~ 40%-60% of your vision field , that should be your comfort zone.

Remember these are merely guidelines . They are more of a recommendation but not absolute rules . Feel free to make adjustment if needed .
Of course if you have a bigger TV ,  you also have more flexibility to adjust the distance between your seat and the screen.
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Hi Convael,

if at bright environment showroom's TV all models set to vivid and playing all same content 4K HDR Demo & Astro HD720p + 480 SD.
can we compare the tv performance like this?
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post Jun 19 2019, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(szecheng @ Jun 18 2019, 04:02 PM)
Hi Convael,

if at bright environment showroom's TV all models set to vivid and playing all same content 4K HDR Demo & Astro HD720p + 480 SD.
can we compare the tv performance like this?
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It depends on which aspect of the TV you are looking at .

If you just want to look at which TV is the brightest , that just might work .

But if you are looking to compare overall picture quality , Vivid mode is usually the most offensive and inaccurate mode ; colors are over saturated , temperatures too cold , whites are too blue , artificial sharpening is maxed out .... etc etc . Different brand uses different settings in vivid mode as well .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 19 2019, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(Convael @ Jun 19 2019, 01:28 PM)
It depends on which aspect of the TV you are looking at .

If you just want to look at which TV is the brightest , that just might work .

But if you are looking to compare overall picture quality , Vivid mode is usually the most offensive and inaccurate mode ; colors are over saturated , temperatures too cold , whites are too blue  , artificial sharpening is maxed out .... etc etc . Different brand uses different settings in vivid mode as well .
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ok then we cannot believe 100% what we see at showroom
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hi all,

i'm looking to upgrade from very old HD tv to 4K LED, 55". OLED is still far fetch in term of budget so i narrowed down to these:

Samsung UA55 RU7300 - RM3,3k - micro dimming, no local
Panasonic GX600K - RM3.3k - no local dimming
Panasonic GX740K - RM4k - local dimming (GX800 price is slightly more)
Sony KD55X7500F - RM3k - frame dimming wtf? (X8500F > RM4.3k)

Must have features:
UHD processor
HDR (multi HDR support is a bonus)
100Hz Native
netflix, etc.

mostly used for movies. no gaming.

which of the above is the best (no other brands will be considered)?

i'm quite lost when it comes into latest test as i have not been up to date about TV for more than 10 years.
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post Jun 22 2019, 09:49 PM

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Hi guys,

I'm contemplating the below 55" TVs below 3k price point,
- Sony X700
-LG UK6300
-LG UK 6500
-Samsung NU7100

I went to a store and the guy recommended the LG being more value for money while samsung has reliability issues.

Its going to be put in the living room with only 2 person in the house. I guess viewing angle wouldn't matter that much so i initially wanted to go for the samsung for as people are saying it has better contrast and blacks but was taken aback by the sales guy about the reliability issue.

Any advice would be much appreciated!
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post Jun 23 2019, 08:12 PM

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Hi guys

Need your advice...Im looking to get a TV but really don't know which one. Can anyone suggest me :

-below 3K
-Supports WCG
-HDR+
-49"-55"
-netflix etc

mainly for movies and media consumption... thanks !!
Convael
post Jun 24 2019, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Jaschong @ Jun 22 2019, 09:49 PM)
Hi guys,

I'm contemplating the below 55" TVs below 3k price point,
- Sony X700
-LG UK6300
-LG UK 6500
-Samsung NU7100

I went to a store and the guy recommended the LG being more value for money while samsung has reliability issues.

Its going to be put in the living room with only 2 person in the house. I guess viewing angle wouldn't matter that much so i initially wanted to go for the samsung for as people are saying it has better contrast and blacks but was taken aback by the sales guy about the reliability issue.

Any advice would be much appreciated!
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What sort of reliability issues ?


QUOTE(jun20 @ Jun 23 2019, 08:12 PM)
Hi guys

Need your advice...Im looking to get a TV but really don't know which one. Can anyone suggest me :

-below 3K
-Supports WCG
-HDR+
-49"-55"
-netflix etc

mainly for movies and media consumption... thanks !!
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Sounds like you are talking about an NU7400 / RU7400.

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 24 2019, 11:18 AM
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post Jun 24 2019, 12:40 PM

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This fellow seems to be selling TV at ridiculous price. It is real or scam ?

https://www.lazada.com.my/shop/empressmobil...annelSource=pdp

Once in a while there is these sellers come into picture with no ratings. And there is also few or almost no buyers. I am quite confused, it seems people overall are not attracted by overly cheap pricing too.

Experience online buyers, how do we find out if a seller is scam ?
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post Jun 24 2019, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jun 24 2019, 11:15 AM)
What sort of reliability issues ?
Sounds like you are talking about an NU7400 / RU7400.
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He was saying in the general sense that its always the one people would send in to repair. Instead he recommended me to get the UK6500 instead.

Would the NU8000 be worth saving for instead? Thinking to pull the plug with the options i mentioned or save and wait for NU8000 to go as low as 3k.

This post has been edited by Jaschong: Jun 24 2019, 08:49 PM
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post Jun 24 2019, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(Jaschong @ Jun 24 2019, 08:49 PM)
He was saying in the general sense that its always the one people would send in to repair. Instead he recommended me to get the UK6500 instead.

Would the NU8000 be worth saving for instead? Thinking to pull the plug with the options i mentioned or save and wait for NU8000 to go as low as 3k.
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Sales guy would say all sort of bullcrap just to sell TVs . Most of them know close to nothing about actual TV industry in general.
Perhaps in that particular month , he was responsible for promoting the sales of the LG brand ? who knows


And no , i don't think Samsung TV has reliability issues .

There are obviously more ppl who send in Samsung TV for repairs , because Samsung has sold 10 times more LCD TV than LG ever did in their entire lifespan .
The more people bought TV from one brand , the more faulty TVs there will be , even if the defect chance for these major brands remain the same hypothetically.

It is only in the high end market , the LG 's OLEDs are doing better than the Samsung's premium QLEDs .

He is not making the slightest sense and has no evidence to support his claims.



NU8000 is better than the UK65 . But the model has already been replaced by the newly debut RU8000 ( which is a downgrade ).
So if you still want to get the TV , you will probably miss the last train if you wait too long .

On a side note , the new Panasonic GX800 is a pretty decent new TV for living room .
It can hit a brightness of around 500 nits and supporting all the major HDR format on the market .
If you are willing to wait for a price drop , maybe go for the Panasonic instead .

QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 24 2019, 12:40 PM)
This fellow seems to be selling TV at ridiculous price. It is real or scam ?

https://www.lazada.com.my/shop/empressmobil...annelSource=pdp

Once in a while there is these sellers come into picture with no ratings. And there is also few or almost no buyers. I am quite confused, it seems people overall are not attracted by overly cheap pricing too.

Experience online buyers, how do we find out if a seller is scam ?
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If something is too cheap to be good , it is probably a scam .

The scammers usually ask you to bank in directly to their bank account instead of paying on Lazada , because Lazada could not interfere with the private transaction if it turns out to be a fraud .

Or there is also a possibility of the merchant selling counterfeit products from India . Sony is particularly , a popular brand to rip off in India . If you ever buy from them , check your TV product code with Sony and you can always return the item if they turn out to be fake .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 26 2019, 03:54 PM
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post Jun 24 2019, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jun 24 2019, 09:24 PM)
Sales guy would say all sort of bullcrap just to sell TVs . Most of them know close to nothing about actual TV industry in general.
Perhaps in that particular month , he was responsible for promoting the sales of the LG brand ? who knows
And no , i don't think Samsung TV has reliability issues .

There are obviously more ppl who send in Samsung TV for repairs , because Samsung has sold 10 times more LCD TV than LG ever did in their entire lifespan .
The more people bought TV from one brand , the more faulty TVs there will be , even if the defect chance for these major brands remain the same hypothetically.

It is only in the high end market , the LG 's OLEDs are doing better than the Samsung's premium QLEDs .

He is not making the slightest sense and has no evidence to support his claims.
NU8000 is better than the UK65 . But the model has already been replaced by the newly debut RU8000 ( which is downgrade ).
So if you still want to get the TV , you will probably miss the last train if you wait too long .

On a side note , the new Panasonic GX800 is a pretty decent new TV for living room .
It can hit a brightness of around 500 nits and supporting all the major HDR format on the market .
If you are willing to wait for a price drop , maybe go for the Panasonic instead .
If something is too cheap to be good , it is probably a scam .

The scammers usually ask you to bank in directly to their bank account instead of paying on Lazada , because Lazada could not interfere  with the private transaction if it turns out to be a fraud .

Or there is also a possibility of the merchant selling counterfeit products from India . Sony is particularly , a popular brand to rip off in India . If you ever buy from them , check your TV product code with Sony and you can always return the item if they turn out to be fake .
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I was doubtful about the sales guy hence asking over here. In that case how does the GX800 fare vs the NU8000? I would most likely watch it at night and viewing angle is something i'm willing to compromise for better PQ. Does that also mean that NU8000 probably won't go any lower in price if i could find one, else extinct? How about UI in samsung vs penasonic as well?
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post Jun 25 2019, 07:44 AM

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QUOTE(Jaschong @ Jun 24 2019, 11:31 PM)
I was doubtful about the sales guy hence asking over here. In that case how does the GX800 fare vs the NU8000? I would most likely watch it at night and viewing angle is something i'm willing to compromise for better PQ. Does that also mean that NU8000 probably won't go any lower in price if i could find one, else extinct? How about UI in samsung vs penasonic as well?
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They are quite similar . Objectively the NU8000 is probably slightly brighter but I doubt most people would really notice that .

Since they are both mid-range TVs , to be perfectly honest they are neither the best TV for the brightest or darkest room.
The NU8000 is probably a wee bit better in a dark room since it has a VA screen , GX800 is an IPS TV ( the MY version differs from the VA panels they used in the UK ).


The Tizen OS from Samsung TV is more sleek and easy to use but they don't get updated .
For eg , NU8000 is running on Tizen 4.0 and it is not getting updated to the tizen 5.0 used in the 2019 models.
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LG 55SK80 good? Rm4688 at Harvey Norman w 5 years warranty. Prolly can get cheaper online tho. Looking for a decent 4k tv under Rm5k.

55” for Netflix & PS4 Pro.

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jun 25 2019, 07:44 AM)
They are quite similar . Objectively the NU8000 is probably slightly brighter but I doubt most people would really notice that .

Since they are both mid-range TVs , to be perfectly honest they are neither the best TV for the brightest or darkest room.
The NU8000 is probably a wee bit better in a dark room since it has a VA screen ,  GX800 is an IPS TV ( the MY version differs from the VA panels they used in the UK ).
The Tizen OS from Samsung TV is more sleek and easy to use but they don't get updated .
For eg , NU8000 is running on Tizen 4.0 and it is not getting updated to the tizen 5.0 used in the 2019 models.
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What about Penasonic OS? Since they are so similar i guess eventually Penasonic's price might go lower than NU8000's lowest?
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post Jun 26 2019, 06:45 AM

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QUOTE(Jaschong @ Jun 26 2019, 01:29 AM)
What about Penasonic OS? Since they are so similar i guess eventually Penasonic's price might go lower than NU8000's lowest?
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It will go down , that much is confirmed .

But will it be at the same level as NU8000 , that is hard to tell . There are very little TV models can be classified as Mid-range in MY , which also means they don't have to face a lot of competition.
It also has to depend on how desperate the retailers are on clearing stocks.

The Panasonic OS is called My Home Screen but it is not as tidy and as intuitive as the Tizen .

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 24 2019, 12:40 PM)
This fellow seems to be selling TV at ridiculous price. It is real or scam ?

https://www.lazada.com.my/shop/empressmobil...annelSource=pdp

Once in a while there is these sellers come into picture with no ratings. And there is also few or almost no buyers. I am quite confused, it seems people overall are not attracted by overly cheap pricing too.

Experience online buyers, how do we find out if a seller is scam ?
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Fake seller. LG 65 UK6300 at RM1.5k?
49 55 & 65 only difference RM100 each?
I may buy 10 units then sell it with RM2000 each and gain RM500 profit 😂
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QUOTE(letze @ Jun 26 2019, 11:10 AM)
Fake seller. LG 65 UK6300 at RM1.5k?
49 55 & 65 only difference RM100 each?
I may buy 10 units then sell it with RM2000 each and gain RM500 profit 😂
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He sold zero units so far. I wonder if the indeed sold nothing, or he hijacks the order made through Lazada and scam people to make order to him directly.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 26 2019, 11:44 AM)
He sold zero units so far. I wonder if the indeed sold nothing, or he hijacks the order made through Lazada and scam people to make order to him directly.
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If you looking for trusted seller in Lazada, you can try seller name "Ezilah".
1. Acceptable price. Sometimes cheapest.
2. Polyfoam wrap on display side and full bubblewrap.
3. Have option to buy extended warranty.
4. Magic remote free gift for LG Smart TV. Others brand not sure what free gift.
5. Actual shop is one of well known tv shop in Klang Valley.

Bought one unit tv cost rm1.3k from them. Safely arrived to home in Terengganu.

Disclaimer: I am not owner/staff/received any commisen. Just sharing experience as tv buyer.

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QUOTE(letze @ Jun 26 2019, 01:24 PM)
If you looking for trusted seller in Lazada, you can try seller name "Ezilah".
1. Acceptable price. Sometimes cheapest.
2. Polyfoam wrap on display side and full bubblewrap.
3. Have option to buy extended warranty.
4. Magic remote free gift for LG Smart TV. Others brand not sure what free gift.
5. Actual shop is one of well known tv shop in Klang Valley.

Bought one unit tv cost rm1.3k from them. Safely arrived to home in Terengganu.

Disclaimer: I am not owner/staff/received any commisen. Just sharing experience as tv buyer.
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In other words you are saying we should not buy from one who has no testimony. wink.gif

If like that, how a new seller can get started ?

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