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 4k tv under RM3k, Sony or Samsung or LG??

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post Nov 4 2018, 10:56 PM

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samsung - 55" nu7400 rm3k (lazada) rm3461(shop)
dynamic crystal colour
my view : contrast very bright, colour wash out

philips 55" put6102s rm2,299 (lazada) rm2799 (desa home)
micro dimming
desa home salesman demo 4k video for me on LG, Samsung, Philips.
colour very natural, not over saturated.

sony 55" x85f
triluminos colour
my view : very well balance TV but high price.

lg 55" uk75
nano cell
my view : i find it less contrast.


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post Nov 4 2018, 11:07 PM

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I'm using LG C8 currently.

Plan to buy led tv for parents.
they often watch aDrama snooze off. tv remain On. so Oled is not recommended.

some how i'm impress by philips's natural colour, black level & read about software micro dimming but no hdr. i can see object in very dark scene and not too expose in bright areas.
the smart tv features is crappy, slow, i'm will be using tv box. so focus more on picture quality.

nu7400 was my first choice due to HDR+ & contrast before i tested philips.
anyone own philips tv here? can advise?


samsung - 55" nu7400 (VA) rm3k (lazada) rm3461(shop)
reason : dynamic crystal colour
my view : contrast very bright which i like but colour & bright area sometimes wash out. motion rate is poor.

philips 55" put6102s (IPS) rm2,299 (lazada) rm2799 (desa home)
reason : micro dimming
desa home salesman demo 4k video for me on LG, Samsung, Philips.
My view : colour very natural, not over saturated.

sony 55" x85f rm4.8k (lazada) rm5,399 (senheng)
reason : triluminos colour . lower model x70 & x75 none.
my view : very well balance TV but high price.

lg 55" uk75 (IPS) rm3,999
reason : nano cell
my view : colour ok, i find it less contrast

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post Nov 5 2018, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Nov 5 2018, 12:07 AM)
How can you tell the picture quality of the TVs from the store ?

Desa home do not calibrate their TV under the same settings AFAIK. 
Dynamic / Vivid mode from one TV isn't going to look the exactly the same on another as well . The same reason why you are not recommended to use the white balance settings from the review sites.

Especially when displays in shop are usually in their most inaccurate modes , whites are overly blue , colors are oversaturated . This is apparently the most effective way to impress the customers  . Without the proper knowledge and equipment , it is impossible to determine the true capabilities of the said TV.

I have heard of shops ( not Desa Home) that were hard at work pushing the sales of a certain brand , intentionally changing the setting of other TV to dimmer mode , while the "star brand" of the month are displayed in the center with dynamic contrast maxed out to steal the spotlight.
Conclusion , what you can see in the shop is fairly limited . You can look at the TV designs , the anti-reflection coatings , the viewing angles , anything but the picture quality .
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you got your point.
so which TV satisfied you within your budget now. please share
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post Nov 5 2018, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Nov 5 2018, 08:29 PM)
If you are buying TV for your parent , they most probably don't watch enough HDR for the HDR-related features to really matter ( primarily the Nano cell , the Triluminous colors , the Dynamic crystal colors ).
Speaking from experience , the older generation seems to like the LG 's magic remote much more so than other TV remotes .
The LG 'S webOS is also more user friendly and easier to use compare than the other . The Samsung's Tizen is not too bad , but its smart remote is a step downgrade from the LG's magic remote . The Sony Android OS is sluggish , it's really annoying sometimes it can take up to over 10 seconds + to respond . The Philips Android OS is just as slow as the Sony's.
The micro dimming doesn't do much  . It tend to dims some of the brighter highlights on screen because the dimming algorithm isn't very advanced at all . It is very identical with Samsung's so called  " UHD " dimming.
As for the different colors , you can only really tell the difference unless you are looping HDR demos and comparing them with those high end Quantum-Dots TV from Samsung lines . The LG TV probably isn't the best TV to look for high contrast because it is an IPS TV . If you like how the colors on Philips look as an SDR TV , you can probably adjust the settings of the other 3 TV to look like it since all the other 3 support for a wider color space coverage.
In terms of value and features , the NU7400 is probably the best out of the 4 . But for usability , I would probably go for the LG model .  If they often watch a lot of content below 1080p , the Sony might be the better pick .
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Agreed, lg magic remote, Netflix and YouTube is superb but mostly use tv box.
Either Samsung nu7400 or x85f. My vote for Sony!

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post Nov 6 2018, 08:58 PM

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https://s.lazada.com.my/s.WFRG

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/p-series-2017-p607

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.c...-best-budget-tv

May consider this if 11/11 drop below 2k
Reason full array dimming and wide colour gamut
Question is durability

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post Nov 6 2018, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(szecheng @ Nov 6 2018, 08:58 PM)
https://s.lazada.com.my/s.WFRG

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/p-series-2017-p607

May consider this if 11/11 drop below 2k
Reason full array dimming and wide colour gamut
Question is durability
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https://s.lazada.com.my/s.WLpo
This link indicate below 2k
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post Nov 6 2018, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(haziqmckau @ Nov 6 2018, 09:36 PM)
Another mention

LGSK8000
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Sony x85f
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post Nov 7 2018, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Nov 7 2018, 03:58 AM)
It does has 4 HDMI ports , but only 2 of them supports full bandwidth (port 2 & 3 ) which is required for 4K HDR signals from game consoles or media players .
The poor black levels and black uniformity is a result of employing IPS Panel as their TV screen .  You basically have to sacrifice the contrast ratio for wider viewing angles .
But keep in mind that  IPS and VA screens don't look very different in a bright room . The ambient lights from our environment is great at masking the true black levels of the TV .

Which is also why it is very difficult to tell the Picture Quality of TV from the electronic shops , because they are mostly displayed in a bright room.

But in a dim / dark room , poor black levels will be instantly noticeable . If you are watching movies on VA , the letterbox bars from the movies are going to appear inky black without distracting you from the immersion. While the black on IPS TV will appear gray-ish and cloudy at times .

If your room is decently lit , go for the Sony . Otherwise just get the Samsung TV .
The NU8000 is the best choice at this price range for HDR gaming .
The Sony is the next best option if you watch a lot of low resolution content on the TV .

I am not very fond of LG 's mid-range TV , some of them are decent but it just doesn't offer the best bang for your buck.
Nope , the USA TCL division operates on a different team than the European / Chinese one .

The specific TCL models found on Lazada are essentially the European version . All of them are edge-lit TVs , unlike their superior F.A.L.D counterparts from the USA .
These specific models aren't nearly quite as capable as what was reviewed by rting.

Sadly , as of now the choices we have within the Malaysian market is very limited unless you decide to import them which comes with a big risk.
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so TLC/Philips micro dimming or samsung uhd dimming is basically software controlled edge lighting. (tipu one la)
NOT the Full Array Local dimming like those in Sony X900, Sammy Qled
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post Nov 9 2018, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(haziqmckau @ Nov 7 2018, 10:08 PM)
can share reason why?  biggrin.gif
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https://lcdtvbuyingguide.com/hdtv/best-4k-t...ut-compare.html
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post Nov 9 2018, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(demogorgon @ Nov 9 2018, 10:43 AM)
Awesome thread, i really learn a lot about TVs and its techs. I'm planning on getting either Sony 55X70F or Samsung 55NU7100. To my understanding, non of these 2 are android tvs? Which means i cannot install Astro Go or Spotify on it because both OS are Linux base. Is this correct?

Most frequent app i'm using with my android box now is Netflix, Youtube, AstroGO and Spotify. Its connected to a non-smart tv so i plan to move these set into bedroom and get a larger 55" for living room.

If these 2 models dont support AstroGO and Spotify, is there any other method to get them working instead buying another android box?
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LG TV has the best Astro Go interface
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post Nov 10 2018, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(semutss @ Nov 10 2018, 03:09 PM)
Lowyat noob poster, and 4k TV noob potential purchaser here  tongue.gif

Need to purchase a 65" TV for a brightly-lit, fairly-large living hall. Wide viewing angle is an important feature to have. Mainly for watching TV, movies, Netflix.
I'm torn
Sony 65X7500F = RM3,990
or
Sony 65X8500F = RM6,290

The price gap between the two is huge. Is the RM2K extra worth it for my kind of usage and TV location? And are the prices quoted for each model reasonable?

Terima kasih sifus!
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Sony 65X7500F = RM3,990
Where u get the price?

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post Nov 10 2018, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(demogorgon @ Nov 10 2018, 08:03 PM)
I just bought a sony 55" X70F from Desa Home for RM22xx. Pretty sweet price and cheaper than most online seller.

One thing, the salesman insisted that sony 55x70f uses VA panel but i thought is using IPS. He even explain the detailed tech behind VA and IPS. So is it VA or IPS?
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i went senQ just now.
you swipe the screen with finger, can see line & look at side of tv, the colour fade.
most likely x70f is VA panel but i still not 100% sure.

how much exactly is your 55" rm22xx?
how about 65" price?

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post Nov 11 2018, 04:04 PM

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Damm. Chat with Senheng x7000f they don't ship to East Malaysia.

Saw both x7500f and x7000f view from side.
x7000f colour fades.

I think gonna settle for desa home 55 x7500f @ 2799 shipping tm10.90

You guys saw anywhere cheaper?


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post Nov 11 2018, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Semaba @ Nov 11 2018, 06:46 PM)
I saw Senq at Vivamall sell Sony KD55X7500F at RM2799.
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I just click 55x7500f desa home at Lazada rm2799, need the TV to Miri. Now out of stock.



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post Nov 11 2018, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(semutss @ Nov 11 2018, 02:59 PM)
Yes, I think it's quite a deal too. After the discount vouchers and shopback credit, I paid RM3,935 for the X7500F.
You know, if they haven't shipped your order out, you can always cancel your lazada order (and get refunded within 2 weeks). And get the one on Shopee. Last I checked, there's still 9 units available.  brows.gif
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Can you share the shopee link for your purchase?
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post Nov 11 2018, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(Semaba @ Nov 11 2018, 06:46 PM)
I saw Senq at Vivacity Megamall Kuching sell Sony KD55X7500F at RM2799.
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Just called miri senq same price & got stock
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post Nov 11 2018, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(semutss @ Nov 11 2018, 07:11 PM)
Cheap but too bad don't send East Malaysia
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post Nov 11 2018, 10:56 PM

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Just triggered Sony 65 x7000f rm3599 SenQ after rm200 discount from rm3799. Tomorrow price go up to rm4449
+ rm25 processing fee 0%12 months installment.

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post Nov 12 2018, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Nov 12 2018, 08:20 AM)
I thought you mentioned the colour of the X7000F looks faded(pale) in comparison to the X7500F? Or you have chosen the X7000F because you cannot get the X7500F.
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Colour fade when you see from the side. Suspect VA panel.
In front colour almost same, x75f looks brighter in dark scene.

East Malaysia not much choice and price.
My list of choice.
55 nu7400 (Samsung) rm3299
55 x75f rm2799

65inch at SenQ
x70f rm3599 (bought this)
x75f rm4699 with this price. I better go for x85f/nu8000(Samsung)

Parents mainly use for tv box aDrama & astro go
Always watch TV with lights on.
In the end I go for bigger screen entry level x70f

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post Nov 12 2018, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(mytaffeta @ Nov 12 2018, 12:48 AM)
x70f and x75f diff is only smart tv with android?
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x70f 3 hdmi vs 4 x75f

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