great update

Firmware update 1402 is out for 2023 models (C models). They updated the UI, its in dark blue now and the font is different



Interestingly for 2023 models, since the first update until the latest now, there have not been any change to the image quality at all, instead its all about bug fixes. This is unlike the 2022 models which received quite some controversy when the updates messed with the image quality

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Mar 11 2024, 11:33 PM

Just notice HM is now selling S95C 65" for 9.8k, and you can claim a rm500 TnG credit on top of it

https://www.harveynorman.com.my/tv-and-audi...-qa65s95ca.html

I feel like the new UI and menu is snappier than before....

Not sure for QN95B case. But when S95B came out, it was measured up to 1500 nits on a 1% or 5% window. Then they released a FW 14XX to nerf the brightness and improve the OOTB accuracy throughout all the updates. Not sure this was done intentionally or not as a marketing gimmick to launch the QD-OLED tvs lol.

Several AVS members posted their EOTF and LR chart for FMM/MM for the S95B on the latest FW, there are still tracking almost perfectly on a 10% window (I have also double checked with one of the poster there). Just game mode HDR still undertracking without maxlux but ST+1 would bring it back as close to the curve as possible. With Maxlux it's close to perfect.

So for S95B users:
Anapeak2 mod : bring back 5% window or smaller size to 1500 nits (value is 1023), 10% remains at 1030 nits. Doing this at your own risk, this will bring back the small window sizes to 1500 nits. Can also do a smaller value between 1000 nits and 1500 nits using value 886 around 1300 nits.

But in my personal opinion and after comparing to CX, there isn't a need to do Anapeak at all. 1000 nits is more than capable now for bright room condition unless you want that few seconds of burst 1500 nits brightness and with highly inaccurate PQ.

MaxLux mod: FW1622 has fix the ST sliders, so now can just do a bit of gamma correction. If you want perfect tracking, you can do MaxLux 138. Doing Maxlux mod does not impact overall peak brightness or FMM/MM mode. It is just resolving the undertaking EOTF and LR and only applicable to Game mode with HDR HGIG on. In fact I also double checked on my PS5 HDR calibrations, with ST+1, I can get up to 19 clicks now before the brightness clips. Based on all the users before 1622, they can only get up to 16/17 clicks on default. Might be a tone mapping problem but I am not sure. So far I am quite happy with Game Mode HDR without Maxlux.



This is such a great deal. RM9.3K for a flagship...

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Mar 12 2024, 03:32 PM

definitely a good deal

Are you on FW 1622 ?
Can only see FW 1602 currently on my update.

https://www.samsung.com/my/support/model/QA...KXXM/#downloads

downloaded from samsung website and installed via USB

Ohh.. Need to download. thanks for the link.

I not sure where to ask
Anything i need to check?
Astro ultra with samsung CU7100
Not all channel volume level same
Some chanel very loud some very low
Need keep adjust volume

Convael, i just placed the order for Calibrite Colorchecker display "plus". The rebranded X-rite colorimeter that can measure up to 2000 nits version. It was on discount on Amazon so I had to get it. Not getting the latest gen HL 3000 nits and 10000 nits version cause some reviews mention that there are not sensitive enough for low light luminance.

I want to start with my LG CX first cause I can just utilize the internal pattern generator. So do you think I should just pay for Calman 1 year license or use the HCFR like yours? I did a bit a of research, HCFR is much harder to use and it doesn't have built-in work flow. Please advise.

I understand this is just basic calibration, but if it can improve a bit of black crush, grayscale and tint issue for SDR and HDR , I don't really mind. Nothing is considered "calibrated enough" unless with those Klein K10A or CR100/250....

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Mar 25 2024, 08:03 PM

HCFR has steep learning curves but you need to create your own workflow before it is usable for your setup. Since it's open source ( and free ) you can always try it whenever you want.
You can ask for help here there are many big names roaming around they are often willing to offer help in great details .

Calman on the other hand is what most the pros use and can get pricey especially if you try to get those bundles. Xrite devices actually come with a set of ccprofiles which can be used for generic display calibration , so I suggest you try that first because the calman software are quite very expensive unless you are just getting those consumer plans for just 1 specific brand .

Autocal is literally all automated and has improved drastically in the last few years to the point we commonly use Autocal for mass Digital Signage so I think they are more than accurate enough for the general public to tell the difference .
There are some issues for each specific brand of TV we need to iron out to push for the last few % , I know the kinks with Samsung and LG's TVs but not familiar about the other brands .

The updates and support expired after the 1st year but the software should remain usable for many years to come . I haven't repurchase until now and it is still working fine .
Whether if you plan to tinker with your own lookup tables in great details , Calman is pretty much a solid pick since your only other choice is chromapure which has stop updating years ago.

Getting that last 2% isn't going to matter for most ppl but given how elusive competent calibrators are in MY , that is still your best bet unless you plan to spend absurd amount of money ( talking about 5 digits + here ) just to hire the big names.

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 27 2024, 01:01 AM

I went ahead with Calman home for LG. It's a bit expensive but at least it has in built workflow for AutoCAL. I already downloaded the software, SDR and HDR media files from Calman website. Now I am just waiting for my colorimeter to arrive next week.

For SDR calibration types, which one do you use? Lighting LUT, Fixed 9 Point or 3x3 Matrix LUT? Delta formula - DE_ITP? Anymore tips since you also own and calibrated LG OLEDs..

I have read that some ended with greenish tints over grayscale but the calibration delta shows otherwise. There are also people who did lighting LUT and with certain color spikes, then went back and did the fixed 9 point to get good delta average.... I plan to calibrate "cinema" mode only and leave the ISF bright and dark untouch. That way I can compare the dark crush on both default and calibrated.

For HDR calibration, since the panel will max out the peak luminance, will be there an obvious temporary image retention? This part I bit worry

Yes getting that last 2, 5% or 10% isn't going to matter to most, but for me knowing that I am running the panel as optimized as possible (colors and luminance) and if black crush/grayscale 1D can be slightly improved why not? Yeah those spectrophotometer + high end colorimeter+ murideo pattern generator prices are absurb can buy a few G3s dy..lol

For SDR , I usually go with Lighting LUT because thats the fastest and most efficient.
Usually after you are done with the 1D LUT and grayscale calibration , most of the colors should fall right into the spot , only minor adjustment required .

SDR isn't usually a big issue here because as I have measured before , all of the modern day OLED have really good SDR accuracy particularly when compared with LCD .
If you have a very good (sensitive) meter and a room with controlled lightings , you can do fixed points , the more points the more accurate it is . Downside is it will also take longer time to finish and I doubt you would notice the difference unless you are doing massive printing for clients.

For HDR I go with Matrix LUT , just remember to untick the box for 3D LUT grayscale to unity . I have heard of those nasty tinting issues before and I am unsure what they did wrong there , autocal is only going to adjust the display according to the Look Up Table. If something has messed up , they must have done something wrong to trigger it . That or the meter they were using has got problem .


The HDR calibration isn't going to affect your display peak luminance drastically , because it will not overwrite the failsafe. There is always a failsafe for every OLED TV display out there , which can only be disabled in the service menu .
What autocal mostly do is to measure your peak luminance and adjust to a proper tonemapping for your specific tv.


For DeltaE formula I am always going with DE 2000 , which is pretty much the standard for a long while .
We have an issue with ITP as illustrated by Steve Shaw , the creator of Light Illusion here.

Again I have not been following any of its progression and I don't know if it has improved dramatically in the past few year ( which I doubt it has ) .

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 28 2024, 07:45 PM

Thanks for the info. I will use lighting LUT for SDR and matrix LUT for HDR then. For tonemapping 1000/4000/10000 nits, you use 50/40/30 also?

I have no plan to touch Dolby Vision because I think both home cinema and cinema is perfect as it is. I always use home cinema for daytime and cinema for nighttime.

One last thing, do you know if I calibrate the HDR cinema mode, will it be bring forward to say PS5 netflix app or hdmi input? Or will it be using the PS5 HDR system again (the sun adjustment)? Cause I don't have an external device to force HDR on my LG. All my streaming apps will default back to Dolby Vision (Disney+, Netflix, Apple+)

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Mar 28 2024, 11:55 PM

Finally manage to measure my S95B stock settings for FMM HDR PQ EOTF using HCFR. FMM HDR mode is really accurate with average color accuracy deltaE of 3.0-3.2 (slightly over threshold of 3.0). OOTB colors are quite accurate already I think. I am sure S90C, S95C FMM HDR would be the same.




And here is why you shouldn't use standard or even dynamic mode HDR. Below is standard mode PQ EOTF default settings. Over-brighten and with significant color inaccuracy...

2024 modes available for pre-order now on Samsung website

Neo QLED 4K
QN85D - 65 - 85"
QN87D - 65 - 85"
QN90D - 65 - 98"

Neo QLED 8K
QN800D - 75 & 85"
QN900D - 75 & 85"

OLED
S90D - 65 & 77"
S95D - 65 & 77"

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Apr 17 2024, 10:58 PM

I actually don't see mucb difference between QN87D vs QN85D apart from aesthetics. Not much information online.

Any thoughts?

Actually where can check update change log? Update screen no mention anything
CU7100 got update last month, just UI color different, i cannot see any other thing

https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/tv/tv-f...ty/td-p/1846870

might not apply to every model

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: May 15 2024, 12:30 AM

Hi,
How is the comparison between du8500 vs du8000 vs du7000?

Which one is better?