sorry for the noob question. What kind of DSLR camera lens/settings you use to take this sub pixel structure pic?

Nice TV..is it ADS-IPS or VA?

Nice review and TV.

Get the Apple TV 4K 3rd gen, it supports HDR10+ also. Still prefer Dolby Vision (dynamic metadata) or in your case HDR10+ instead of standard HDR10, where it will just throw a highest and lowest luminance level and apply it to the entire movie.

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Aug 16 2023, 08:20 PM

7.4k is very good price actually for mini led TV. 65" some more...

How's the S90C HDR brightness as compare to the CX besides the bigger size factor? I am currently still on 65 LG CX. So tempted each year to upgrade but yet to find any worthy upgrade except the LG G3 or the Sony A95L but still quite expensive now.

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Nov 17 2023, 06:40 PM

Yeah, C3 is a mid ranger not a flagship though. Fair comparison would be against the G3 MLA OLED.

yeah on paper, S90C is around 1000 nits and C3 at around slightly over 800 nits at 10% window based on Rtings value. Clearly, it has reached the 1000 nits milestone, good since most of the movies and contents are mastered at 1000 nits. I reckon tone map with that peak should be great. So it is quite future proof in that sense.

CX would be around ~700 nits if calibrated. So I am just curious to find out what the other forumer is experiencing jumping from CX to S90C.

Cause for G3 is around 1300-1400 nits range. Almost twice the peak of CX if I were to upgrade.

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Nov 17 2023, 10:50 PM

The S90C covering over 99% on DCI-P3 gamut and 99% @ 1000 nits (Yes Samsung don't have Dolby support, but its almost like a Dolby mastering display @ 1000 nits level Link). That's actually very impressive.

Even the Rec.2020 uv colorspace over 91%.

I am surprised the higher end S95C scores a overall lower coverage color gamut level and a lower coverage @ 1000 nits level based on rtings?

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Jan 3 2024, 12:57 PM

That's a nice review. 2 of them very future proofed Samsung TVs it seems. Speaking of QD-OLEDs color intensity... Link

Even the Rtings S90C review unit pre calibration chart looks almost excellent out of the box, with average deltaE so close to low ~1.0. Only the red seems like touching high 2.0 but still lower than 3.0 pre and post.

For all your TVs, do you often calibrate them to below 1.0?



This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Jan 4 2024, 05:08 PM

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subac...l&id=1704696368

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Link

Above link is the polish review for the QN85C VA panel. You can translate to English via chrome.

Local dimming set to standard will give ANSI contrast ratio of over 50000:1 but lose shadow details.

Setting local dimming to low will give better shadow details but you have to bear with greyish black around the zones with bright objects.

I see. He did mention that with the LD set to high will result in a lower CR at approx 36643:1 though for filmmaker mode.

But then there are multiple methods to test CR and this number can be a dynamic number depending on the part of the screen I think. So sometimes one number can't really tell the whole story.

Actually this polish reviewer gives a bit of contradicting information, if you refer to rtings QN85C IPS with LD set to high they get 87391:1. And this polish QN85C VA panel gives a significantly lower CR. I believe rtings should be more credible 😂

Yeah rtings do checkerboard test by taking center white box peak luminance and 4 corners black box averages around the white box and calculate CR. But yeah those are just based on patterns not real movie scenes.

But then need to give Samsung QLED QN95C local dimming algorithm some credit also ... it can come up with this ridiculously high CR with LD on topping 201000:1 according to Rtings. Sustained @ 10% 1754 cd/m2, that would give the darkest black at 0.00877 nits more or less @ 10% window. Not quite OLED yet but almost OLED level already haha. Maybe Samsung can do firmware update and let the tv have better luminance and dimming control so gamut can be improved on where it should be.

I recall when S95B came out, there was a whole fuss about nerfed brightness, PQ EOTF under and over tracks etc. But I believe Samsung rolled out FWs to fix some of them based on posters feedbacks on AVsforum?

From the pic I do agree it is dimming way too much detail, so blurry on bottom right corner sacrificing almost 10-20% of window size details. The shirt on the far right guy lack "depth" due to the overall lower color volume (because of lower luminance around that area i guess).

Anyways, I went to Samsung showroom over the weekend to view S95C and S90C. Requested the salesman to turn off retail mode and show the filmmaker mode. Not much differences between the 2. But one thing for sure it's so bright and colors are so saturated, not like neon bright kind of saturation but with "depth" and smooth gradient. Colors don't appear "flat". Definitely brighter and more colorful than my CX WRGB OLED.

Yes I am not a fan of the external box either but I like the stand of the S95C better. But then S90C is more affordable though

A95L is too expensive already at the moment even for a 65” 😂

Samsung is really killing it by quantifying brightness…these QD OLEDs new “perceived brightness measurement” will be definitely be a gold standard moving forward for picture quality

Was the mad max movie graded in full rec 2020 ? If yes I am sure the A95L and S90 95C will be able to display it with full glorious mode…

Maybe the orange sprouting fire is already sitting outside DCI P3 dy into rec 2020… if only these TVs come with those gamut checker mark function for movie scenes like Bravia Hx310 that would be superb.. lol

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Jan 18 2024, 02:36 AM

Yeah if it is 10000 nits, it will do tone mapping. If you have some spare time, you can watch one of Vincent's 2023 TV shootout. As usual it's attended by many people from the video and cinematography industry. The HX310 he uses all the time which is capable of hitting "full field 1000 nits only" was calibrated to D65 white point as usual , all the TV brands were covered/framed up to cover the brand names.

Under the tonemapping of 1000 nits (MI Fallout) and 4000 nits (Lord of the Rings) HDR presentation, ranking from high to low:
1000 nits - A95L, G3, S95C, MZ2000
4000 nits - A95L, S95C, G3, MZ2000
Combined score - A95L, S95C, G3- MZ2000 draw

For color accuracy check, there are low luminance, Rec709, WCG, High Luminance, out of the box, too long to type out results, so to sum up:
A95L, S95C, G3, MZ2000

One thing to note here if you watch the video, both A95L and S95C exhibit higher color saturation at high luminance as close as the ref monitor over the G3 and MZ2000.

So at least we know "at the moment", A95L and S95C QD OLEDs have a clear advantage in this segment over normal wRGB OLEDs (with ref to a 1000 nits capable monitor). What you seen and said is totally in line to the conclusion from the shootout, but like you said maybe its different tonemapping but I think wider rec2020 plays a big role also (G3 only about 75%-ish and S90 S95C ~90%) and at 1300 nits more or less, there is already distinction already between QD and normal wRGB. Don't know how 2nd gen MLA will help with the color boosting, but LG got a lot to catch up in the high luminance high color brightness segment. All this is assuming he doesn't get paid to say good thing about QD OLEDs hahaha...

I think most people will always revert back to youtube or rtings comparison for this or that be it inside or outside the forum...but at least most people in this forum is open for discussion, unlike certain individual who is blatantly ignorant few pages back when facts and numbers are being presented lol.

Wondering should I take 55" S95B at 4.5k (brand new) or S90C at 5.9k to replace my 55" sony tv?

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Jan 31 2024, 05:31 PM

Yeah but at 5.9k le haha. Around 1.4k more for more or less the same TV. S95B is flagship though. I think the 55 S90C also first gen panel. Only the larger sizes are second gen if not mistaken. I ask the merchant they also cant confirm if the 55 S90C they are selling are 1st or 2nd gen.

Or I wait for S90D to come out then S90C drop in prices, then I will be forever in the waiting game lol.

And QD OLED at 4.5k really a bit hard to pass.

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Jan 31 2024, 05:47 PM

Took the plunge for my first QD-OLED 55" S95B for RM4.3k after Lazbonus from Desa Home. S90C RM5899 (no LazBonus available) and RM1.6k extra for just a 55 like a bit too much imo when the 65" S90C is 7.4-7.5k now. My 65 LG CX still working flawlessly.

It's significant enough upgrade for my Sony X90H already.

Too bad TV can only deliver after CNY.

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Feb 2 2024, 02:00 PM

Yeah now got some units left on Lazada. Already checked with them, they said its brand new sealed. I think the price for a 55 is a steal even though its coming into 1+ years.

I asked them to hold on to delivery cause I will be out of town starting next week till early CNY.

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Feb 2 2024, 02:44 PM