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post Jun 7 2018, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 6 2018, 04:14 PM)
I calibrated a 55Q7F for a friend in the last 2 days and I've been fairly impressed with the TV.

Pretty good black levels for an LCD, hitting over 5500:1. SDR and HDR peak brightness and average are consistently over 2000cd/m2 inside a 10% window, averaging around the 800 nits mark if sustained overtime. It does have some shortfalls with its useless local dimming algorithm though due to the edge lit LEDs with no guiding plates.

I like the fact that after calibration the TV covers 99% of the DCI-P3 color space - that's pretty much as good as it gets, which is even better than OLEDs. The REC2020 scale also hits a very respectable 75% and 83%, which is best in class for an LCD at this price range. Kudos to Samsung for focusing on color accuracy and volume!

As an everyday TV that people would use for TV, movies and gaming - well, gaming; this is arguably the BEST TV for gaming in the RM8k bracket. Input lag measured 15ms at 4k60hz @ 4:4:4 and enabling HDR only brings that up to 19ms. This is good enough even for offline local fighting games competition. There was a new update with Freesync support and I only tested it with a HTPC (no Xbox One X), suffice to say it works as it should and I'm still baffled by why Freesync isn't mandatory on all displays yet. I hope when the next-gen consoles arrives in a few years, Freesync will be a mainstream feature on all TVs.

Personally, I think this is the best 2018 RM8k-ish TV in the Malaysia market currently (since Sony went full retarded last minute in not bringing in their 55" X90f). Unless you can get an LG C8 OLED for under RM9k, there really is no better alternative than the Q7F at the moment.

Now on another note, Samsung... just why did you even bother bringing in the Q8C when no one even buys curved TVs? The Q8FN could have been the RM10k sweet spot for everyone.... you missed the ball Samsung.
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The Q8FN is carrying their almighty new FALD , which is not doubt very impressive from what I have seen . There's no way they are willing to sell that TV under 10k here lol , it is Samsung afterall.


The sad thing about Q7FN the local dimming still really sucks . The price is really good from the promotion few days ago since they give you a free monitor / soundbar of choice , you can easily sell off the monitor for 2k ++ , so the cost of TV should be left at around RM6k


offtopic : BTW I have seen an offer from TBC for 55'C8 under 10k , it varies from shop to shop , if you manage to sweet talk the shop keeper into discounts , he might give a good offer


Just to be sure , we are talking about the Q7FN not the Q7 from last year right ? Cause the Samsung guy was telling me Q7FN will only be delivered by the end of month

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post Jun 11 2018, 06:38 PM

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imho , Q7F was overpriced and still is .

The new generation of QLED ( Q7FN , Q8C & Q9FN ) are so much better.

Especially if you can find a FREE-Monitor/Soundbar deal , some supplier tend to order extra and extend the promotion period

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post Jun 17 2018, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(messi.78 @ Jun 13 2018, 02:11 PM)
Is there anyone using Samsung 58" NU7103? price around rm 3.1k. cannot find any reviews on this model online.
How is this model compared to models 65" NU7100 (rm 5k) or 65"Mu6100 (rm 4.1k)?
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NU7103 is a retailer version of the 7100 models , they are essentially the same thing.

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post Jun 19 2018, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Jun 19 2018, 09:15 PM)
what ia the meaning of 'retailer version' ?
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It means they are the same thing , but shipped at different time or move from different warehouse , sold by different retailer ( likely in this case )

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post Jun 25 2018, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(bennedict82 @ Jun 25 2018, 01:58 PM)
55" Q7F 4K Smart QLED TV

65" NU8000 Smart 4K Premium UHD TV

I am in dilemma now. Both TVs are almost same price. I am not sure which one to get. Can someone who has experience share with me? 55 QLED is good because of quality. 65 is bigger screen. My question is, the P-UHD pic quality really big different compare with QLED? Or slightly different? Shall I take P-UHD?
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I assume the Q7F you mean here , is the Q7F from 2017 , not the 2018 's Q7FN .


The QLED from 2017 has a very disappointing performance .
Behind the fancy marketing words like QLED / Quantum Dot panel, the only improvement you see from these QLED TVs is the improved color volume .

This will be noticeable especially when playing HDR content . Both TV supports for Wide Color Gamut , but the QLED are able to show deeper , more saturated colors under different brightness levels .



The 2018's NU8000 is a very dramatic improvement over last year's model. Compare to the Q7F, it is much brighter , slightly better input lag and motion handling , free SYNC for gamers .

When we talk about Picture Quality , it usually refer the Native Contrast of the TV. The higher native contrast the TV has , the more sense of depth you will get from the deeper black , which translates into higher Picture Quality. Q7F 's contrast ratio is just about the same as NU8000 , so the difference of PQ is marginal , at best .


To sum it up , Q7F is not an improvement from NU8000 , despite being a little more colorful , it is slightly worse in almost every aspect , particularly the brightness ratings which is a key to displaying eye popping HDR effects. The NU8000 is the better pick , larger screen size too .


When you decide to buy a high end TV , you need to consider the content you are watching - HDR or SDR.
The advanced specification such as wide color gamut and higher peak brightness only truly matter when you watch these content / play these games.


If you want a QLED TV , do consider the 2018's models . They are a much better TVs in general , with a dazzling peak brightness that illuminate the entire dark room with just 1 small dot from the screen.

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post Jun 25 2018, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(bennedict82 @ Jun 25 2018, 09:14 PM)
Thanks for your detail explaination. I am comparing Q7F 2018 55 inch vs 65 inch NU8000. Both are years 2018.
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This ?

Just to make sure , cause I know some TV merchant are still labeling Q7F as 2018 and trying to sell it as new at some ridiculous price . Look for an "N" after the F



The 2018 Q7F(N) is a fantastic HDR TV .

Look at its brightness ratings , this beautiful thing can spike up to 2000 cd/m2 of brightness , where no other LED TV can reach beside the Q9.

What this essentially means when you watch HDR shows , the sunset , the torch fires , the neon lights, the dawn star are able to display eye searing brightness to the level of creating sense of realism most TV can never reach. The QLED almost 100% PCI-3 color coverage is just an icing on the cake here, making HDR effect pop even more from the screen.

It is also a very versatile TV , also bright enough to overcome some of the strong glare from a bright room with full glossy screen finish.
And that is all on top of the new free sync features for gamers ( NU8000 also has this , but not the 2017's Q7F ).


The only downside ( sort of ) is it uses a lousy dimming algorithm , unable to boost its contrast rating past the typical Samsung VA standard. It is still good in this area , just not as awesome as its bigger brothers ( Q8 & Q9)


Between Q7FN and NU8000 , the Q7FN is quite a noticeable improvement . Whether if its worth going for the 55 inches screen , depends if you watch enough HDR content to justify the sacrifice. NU8000 is a pretty good TV to begin with.

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post Jun 26 2018, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(lkm51 @ Jun 26 2018, 07:40 AM)
65 inch nu8000 for RM 4xxxx?
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I think she/he is referring to the RM8500 55 ' Q7FN & RM8500 65 ' NU8000



QUOTE(mancode1009 @ Jun 26 2018, 12:36 PM)
Anybody using 65 inch MU6100?  How about picture quality and etc.
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There is a lot of discussion here , check it out

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post Jun 29 2018, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(xbbshampoo @ Jun 29 2018, 10:48 AM)
guys, any nice HDR tv to suggest.

i want to use it with my ps4 pro.

budget around 2800
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There are a lot of nice TV at this price range , sadly there are no nice HDR TVs within the same price range.


Only the TVs in the price range of RM 8000+ are capable of displaying HDR effects close to the amazing fidelity mastered by the creators.

The other TVs , despite being labeled " HDR compatible " , they can only read the HDR data but they don't have the specs to show it.
This is also the reason why we often read many posts of people complaining HDR is a gimmick , a niche , overhyped and unimpressive , because most people don't have the correct TVs to display them.



Back to the TV , since you post in the Samsung thread , I will list the Samsung TVs . Samsung TVs have pretty low input latency which is great for gaming.

NU7400 : Just like MU6100 but this TV can show improve colors when playing HDR games / movies .

NU7100 & MU 6100 : Best all-round entry level 4K TV , just pick whichever cheaper you can find

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post Jun 29 2018, 03:07 PM

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A display unit for RM6k .

MU7000 is a decent TV , but you are better off spending a bit more getting a new 55/65 inches NU8000 which is better in every aspect.

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post Jun 29 2018, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(Mclaren88 @ Jun 29 2018, 05:09 PM)
pulled the trigger on this one

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That's the 2017 model , with the 2018's picture
Exactly what I was talking about in the previous posts .


The QLEDs from 2017 are very underwhelming TVs despite of all the hypes and prices .


Top up $1000 more you can get the 2018 version.

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post Jul 18 2018, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Jul 18 2018, 11:19 AM)
is the NU7100 the current entry level for Samsung 65?
What other options do I have
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Yea NU7100 is the basic 4K TV of Samsung for 2018.

As for the other options you have several choices.

The NU7400 is like NU7100 but comes with an extra feature called Wide Color Gamut , which can show more Vivid colors when playing HDR content. If you don't watch HDR content this feature is useless for you.

The MU6300 is a 2017 Samsung Basic 4k Model , it is pretty much like NU7100 but slightly brighter , has better remote controls / voice control . It has been discontinued but you may still find some merchant selling it .


Since this is a Samsung thread , I really shouldn't recommend models from other brands here

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 18 2018, 11:22 AM)
What's the difference between Nu7100 vs MU6300 vs NU8000 ?
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As mentioned in my last post , NU7100 is the successor of last year's MU6100 / MU6300
MU6100 is the basic 4K TV of Samsung from 2017 , the MU6300 is the same model but with a curved screen design.
NU8000 is Samsung's 2018 MID Range TV .


If you ask me , it is currently the best Mid-Range VA TV you can find in Malaysia .

It comes with a good amount of features such as VRR supports (which is Free sync for AMD / Xbox) , WCG , decent brightness across the board, an edge-lit based Local Dimming system etc etc . However , most of the features are related to HDR . If you don't watch HDR content much , I suggest getting the NU7100 or MU6100 instead.


If you are looking for better out of box color accuracy , do consider the Panasonic FX600 , which is also a great choice .

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post Jul 18 2018, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Jul 18 2018, 12:22 PM)
thanks, u been a great help

only HDR content I would watch are those from Netflix

are you stating that the previous mu6300 is actually better than the current 7100?

Thanks again
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Yep , I know it sounds silly .


Beside the steam link feature & slightly lower input lag , NU7100 isn't actually better than MU6100 / MU6300 .

There is also something to be noted , the NU7100 does not supports WIFI 5 GHZ , the MU6100/6300 does.
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post Jul 18 2018, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Jul 18 2018, 02:10 PM)
my previous model, before the 6100 does support the 5ghz as well, although the pass few weeks been a bit cranky .

seems like the 6100 is better than the 7100

whats steam link feature?? care to explain?

TIA
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It is a basically a device that connects your TV with the Steam client ( a game platform ) on PC , so you can display PC games on the TV screen.
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QUOTE(jagjag @ Jul 23 2018, 11:11 AM)
Now i saw there's NU7400 model. What the different between this and the NU7100..
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They are very similar but the NU7400 has Wide Color Gamut , which means the TV can show more colors when playing HDR supported movies / games.
It also has a slightly better cable management ( where they let you hide the cable into slots behind TV )



Beside that , they are not very different at all.
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QUOTE(lkm51 @ Jul 23 2018, 03:27 PM)
i think the remote and voice control and bluetooth connectivity too?
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Yes that too , because Samsung has decided to be a cheapskate and give you a cheap remote this year + cut down on some external features
And if we dive down to the minor details , the Samsung NU7100 also doesn't support TV mirror-ing , the nu7400 does .

All of these features are all present in last year's basic model (and 2016's ) , sadly.

Not a deal breaker really , unless you specifically require these function on a TV

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QUOTE(wilson7847 @ Jul 25 2018, 06:56 AM)
Please advised which one should I choose:
Samsung 65MU6100 = RM3750
Samsung 65NU7100 = RM3999
Sony 65X7000E = RM3750

All come with 2 yrs warranty.
Mainly used the USB to watch movie from HDD.
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They are both the most basic 4k TV models from Sony and Samsung , so their specs are very close.


Last time I checked , the 65 inches of X7000E is also a VA screen , like MU6100 and NU7100.


X7000E has slightly better brightness performance because the Samsung's UHD Dimming dims the small & bright highlights when showing very dark scenes.
Since the X7000E doesn't has any specific dimming features , its brightness levels remain pretty consistent under all situation.
On the other hand , the UHD Dimming allows the Samsung models to show a little better contrast levels , slightly enhancing the picture quality.

note : This is only applicable for the VA models ( mainly the 55 and 65 inches ) for X7000E , the smaller sizes use an IPS panel which cannot be applied in the same situation.


X7000E can remove judders from 24p movies , Samsung's BFI implementation is better .
The Sony 's model also does not support 5ghzWIFI.

Most of the differences are still pretty trivial.

In general , I would suggest buying whichever that is the cheapest . If not , go for MU6100 because it is the best all round TV at this budget range , albeit marginally.

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post Aug 3 2018, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Aug 2 2018, 04:40 PM)
getting more annoyed at my current 3 years old 49JU6400, the vertical banding is getting more obvious doh.gif

thinking of changing, saw lots of shop letting go the older stock of Q7 series with huge discount, are they worth it? hmm.gif
or should I stick with the latest NU series?
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Not really , unless you can find them way cheaper than the current NU8000 .



QUOTE(yattnana @ Aug 2 2018, 03:48 PM)
Turned out 58NU7103 is indeed a rebadged 58MU6100. It come with both WIFI AC support & screen mirroring.....
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Thanks for the information , this will be handy for people who want to grab these models in the future.

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post Aug 3 2018, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Aug 3 2018, 10:32 AM)
So means NU8000 >> Q7F ?
even one is QLED?
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Without going into too much details , Samsung's 2017 QLED models are overpriced and underperforming TVs ( As much as I like their designs and screen coating a lot )
It performs worse than the 2016 's KS series in most category , which is absurd .


The QLED isn't exactly a new type of display technology like OLED .
Samsung's PR team decides to coin the term with their LED LCD TVs which has quantum dots , quite typical for the TV marketing campaigns thesedays.

And to understand what exactly does the QLED TV do better than other TVs , it is the color volumes .
This means Q7F can show more colors across different brightness levels , saturated colors even in very bright scenes , which many others struggle with .
However this is severely hindered by Q7F's poor brightness ratings and poor local dimming system.

Here is the thing , for many of mid-range HDR TVs brightness remain the most consistent factor contributing to HDR performance .
Primarily because the TV in these range doesn't has very good control of their backlights . They need that extra brightness on the screen in order to delivery a more punchy HDR effects. Q7f and NU8000 both fall into this category but since the NU8000 is cheaper , brighter in both HDR / SDR , lower Input Latency, picking the NU8000 just seems like a no brainer .


Since NU8000 is a Samsung model , it has some of the new features such as VRR (Variable Refresh Rate) which can be nice for gamers.

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QUOTE(sugaring @ Aug 14 2018, 12:07 PM)
may i know what is the different between samsung 7100 and 7103 model?
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According to someone who purchased 7103 from last page , it is pretty much a repackaged MU6100 with a new shell .

I think we have established that last year's MU6100 actually perform a bit better than this year's NU7100 with a bit more features ( such as the support of 5Ghz WIFI , TV mirroring etc )

Not that it matters very much for entry level models , you still get the same 4k true RGB screen with good contrast levels .
But it is something to be noted if you are planning grab one of these .

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