Samsung oled more brighter than lg/sony oled. I have owned both lg c2 and s90c, s90c all the way. Plus during last month sale i got save about 1.5k compared to lg c3

I thought some oled tv can auto adjust the brightness based on the environment, like day and night ambience.

X90L is crap because no mini led.

That's why I bought QN85C 85".

No matter how good X90L cheat in software, it still cannot beat mini led.

I think a lot people will be cheated by X90L

Unfortunately no , that's objectively wrong .

Mini LED doesn't automatically make your TV better .

a QN85C is :

1) less accurate than X90L
2) Dimmer than X90L ( discounting the fact that it dims down highlights)
3) Crush more shadow details because it tries to " aggressively " dim down smaller bright things in dark scene. This may sound like nothing but it sets off a destructive chain reaction . It also causes dark colors to look less saturated.
4) because of 3) , HDR dynamic range is also a took hit , bright small things (sun , stars , lamps , fires etc) are typically the brightest spot on the screen. .
5) Significantly worse Picture processing on sub 4k material
6) Worse motion performance across all columns
7) Worse color volume than X90L (?) , which is the major selling point of Quantum Dots.


This is especially true if you don't calibrate your TVs . If you do , you can run IRE tests and slightly adjust the 5%-10% gamma to bring it up to levels of X90L.
But since most of you don't , you are stuck with a Quantum Dots TV that is counter productive.

At this point , no matter what other aspect it is better than X90L is , it has completely lost in the picture quality department.
The only reason you would buy a QN85C over X90L is if you find a cheaper deal since it is still far better than any Chinese brands.

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 17 2023, 01:01 AM

not really. the 85inch qn85c looks great in my living room. you dont have qn85c so you just talking nonsense
x90l does not magically better because its a sony
no way x90l better than qn85c
no one in their right mind will buy fald without mini led in 2023. are you still in 2021?
just look at star field test for x90l. it is messy. x90l can be thrown away in 2023.

This post has been edited by vapanel: Dec 17 2023, 01:41 AM

If you only care about contrast and preferred saturated color, yes, you probably right.

I compare the X90L and other mini LED TV, I was quite surprise X90L full array direct LED with around 80 zones could display pretty good picture quality, I thought I was watching high end mini LED TV initially

It has better shadows details, natural color rendering. actually I was thinking to get one, but in the end, still go for QD-OLED TV.

Just wanted a bit cannot show everythiing

I don't think you will want to buy fald without mini led in 2023.

Come on.

Nobody in their right mind will do that.

No mini-led in 2023 priced at flagship level? Come on.

Not saying you are wrong because you obviously know your stuff and what you're talking about. But just curious where did you get your data for QN85C? Is it Rtings?

I do notice the colours look less saturated if you leave all the settings as it is in FMM. But with some tweakings (gamma and shadow details) i was able to bring more 'punch' to the colours

Also the HDR performance seems to better with Contrast Enhancer on Low (taboo for purist i know) plus lowering the gamma, and Tone Mapping on Static

The picture is probably not accurate at this point but good thing not all of us have a Calman tool lying around

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Dec 18 2023, 01:32 AM

That boat has sailed .

A QD TV can't be calibrated that easily , because the QD TV 's WCG color spectrum is quite insane.


It can go very spikey and unstable at time. To properly get the readings you need to carry around roughly RM200K + worth of equipment on top of a reference screen.
You can count on 1 hand how many in MY has access to these tools. I used to be able to rent these EQ but the fees have became more expensive than premium TVs itself .


I know the fine folks at AVdesigns and KS av have several very experienced , ISF certified Sifus who are loaded with the gears.
They are quite very selective with their client though and seem to only take orders from very ... prestigious customers.

Good news is , Samsung TV has evolved quite a lot and the Filmmaker mode is very accurate and usable OOTB for most people .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 25 2023, 05:55 AM

Apparently , you must be new to this forum . Thus you have no idea who you are talking to.

Which Star field test you are talking about ? This one ?


Okay now , do you want to take a guess which one is Samsung miniLED TV ?


You are just acting like a fanboi throwing tantrum.
" NO IDC, I own this so it is better , it is impossible for me to be wrong. "


No shortage of those over here. That's fine , you do what you want . No point for us to have anymore conversation because there is nothing to be gained from it.

You picked up a decent TV and already can't wait to join the fanboi group. When you talk about it being " better " , you have absolutely no idea where to look , or what you are talking about.

For the record , I am not trashing your TV . I am simply offering an explanation on what I 've observed , all of which are backed by numbers . Also largely in place with what many others claimed , including all ur favorite TV calibrators and reviewers , disregarding channels that are sponsored by specific brands .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 25 2023, 05:56 AM

Never actually seen a QN85C. But hear me out , I've seen its big brother QN95C before from KS-AV , which is basically superior and I still come to the same conclusion.



You see here , the ffm is quite precise for QLED on HDR , a little undertracking for Red at the end but nothing too destructive . The movie mode brighten up a lot particularly the midtones. I like their FFM this year because of how accurate it has gotten with their QD OLEDs.

I love the QuantumDots screens , I've always been an advocate for the " Colors Volume " . I've made a lengthy post in the past comparing 2 QD TV from TCL and Samsung and how Samsung 1-upped TCL before.


People have this misconception that Samsung 's QD TVs automatically became better in colors. The wider the color coverage is , the more difficult to control it ( also more difficult to calibrate ) . Sometime the movies you see look duller because that is how those movies are graded , its not Sony or LG that are making those movie look duller , its the film producer.



If someone dislike the Sony Tax ( which is reasonable, their mid range is as pricey as a flagships from other brands) and end up with a QLED , that's fine. It is still the best alternative in MY .
But if you end up picking up a QLED because you think QLED ( mini LED or not ) is so much better , unfortunately that is not the case for all of the same reason I have listed above.


Particularly true if you watch a lot of Astro , Youtubes and Netflix . I wish I can tell people , you have more choices in MY but no not really.


From what I knew , Samsung has introduced an option called Smart calibration for their TV. If you have a Samsung Galaxy phone , it can be used to finetune grayscale and white balance. I won't use the word " calibrate" here because a phonecam is nowhere as sensitive as a K-10A hooked up to a JETI Spectraval 1511. Once that two are gotten right , the rest of the colors should fall right into place . Don't expect it to perform miracles but I've read reports on how it has been improving picture quality .

Contrast enhancer doesn't just make it brighter also blown out the highlights . If you really want a brighter picture , changing static to active would yield better results ( and balance ) because that is the TV doing dynamic tone mapping .

No one should take it personally if anyone is saying which model is better (or worse) . It doesn't make your screen worth any less. This is especially if you have gotten the TV at a great price .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 25 2023, 06:38 AM

Yes , I am new.

I just open my TV (85" QN85C is VA Panel)

I run star field test together with my Samsung S8 Ultra which is OLED.

Both looks the same. I even think the TV is more inky black than tablet.

I change the mode around dynamic, standard, movie, filmmaker, all have inky black and no discernable lost of star.

While X90L is glowing white in all review.

So I make conclusion that X90L is crap.

I might be a fan boy because I bought everything Samsung lol

Wish you have a chance to take a look at the QN85C, and if possible with the tools to inspect it. Few reasons....

i) it's using a different miniLED back-light than the 95C. 720 zones which is same as all the 4K Neo QLEDs from last year. It doesn't get as bright as the 95C which means theoretically it doesn't need to aggresively dim down highlights as well (what I hope at least). Also how does this affect the colour volume

ii) Our model is using VA panel which unfortunately not many well known TV calibrators or reviewers out there have provided any data or reviews because most of them either have the ADS variant or they probably didnt bother because its the lower end model.

iii) With the 95C being cleared out, the default choice for Neo QLEDs will only be the 85C now. (I know January 24 is coming soon and we will have the next series). But I still would like to know at RRP, is the 85C the better choice than the 95C?



Hence why I lower the gamma as well. Not sure why but I've tried both CE low + gamma -2 + Tone Mapping Static and CE off + gamma 0 + Tone Mapping Active, I end up preferring the CE low option. It seems to reveal more shadow details as well without introducing the 'grey tint' that the Shadow Detail setting tend to produce

I'll play around with it again tonight

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Dec 25 2023, 03:56 PM

Anyone knows about Samsung 65" QLED QE1C 2023 (QA65QE1CAKXXM)?

Got promotional email from Samsung, the price around RM3.4k from retail price RM5.4k.

So far, i can not find any review about this model. Based on specs, other than inferior 50Hz refresh rate, others seem ok.

It's not a FALD model. I'll try to get a TV with FALD at least in this age

Noted, thanks for the suggestion.

Anyone know if we can use 3rd party remote on au7002 tv?
Just wanted to standby since the bottom selection button is getting harder to press now.

FALD is minimum but nowadays nobody talks about fald but mini led numbers

Only Sony TV folks talk about fald because they don't have mini led below rm10k

Also I realised 85inch is not big. It's just ok only.

I suspect 98inch is needed for full immersion

Currently 85inch at 9feet only cover 37.9degree field of view which is just THX minimum recommendation

But damn. I kept watching TV because it's too awesome

Ring of Power is so beautiful

This post has been edited by vapanel: Dec 31 2023, 02:19 AM

Was watching For All Mankind on Apple TV+ (good series, highly recommended if u like space travel stuff). There's a few scenes on the moon where the space is pure black, i think its a good test for blooming

Still impressed and satisfied by the QN85C

I suspect reflective screen and lower brightness making QN85C looks like OLED

Blooming is almost no existent in movies

But I seldom watch apple TV+ because prime video have more movies and content



This post has been edited by vapanel: Jan 2 2024, 05:00 PM