Yes Sony is different beast and the price is double of QN85C. I don't want to pay so much for TV that keep improving each year haha

But if same brand definitely affect blooming if less zone.

This post has been edited by vapanel: Nov 26 2023, 12:24 PM

Well Samsung's approach all the while is to minimise blooming as much as possible, to the point where some enthuasiast don't prefer it because its crushing shadow details. But if you ask me, i'll tale less shadow details over obvious blooming

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Nov 26 2023, 02:00 PM

Yaya

The reason I take QN85C instead of Sony x90l also because of mini led it better control of blooming.

Less blooming = look like Oled

So QN85C is best compromise between cheap price, look like Oled and longevity because no matter how, led TV will still last longer than OLED. Especially my family like to pause TV and go to eat without turning it off

check out Desa Home if you are looking for QN95C, saw this model in their 12.12 sales advertisement
(personally not connected with them, and not sure about the current availability)

planing to get a TV for the bedroom. Have about 15ft (4.5m) space between me and the TV, what size should I get ? Currently thinking 75" ?

Assuming 75" is the right size, any recommendations on TV cabinet ? planing to put a game console and speaker (either sonos soundbar, 2.0 or 2.1) in there as well.

Reason for the cabinet instead of wall mounted is because I plan to add wheels to the TV cabinet. So I can move it in and out if needed (between family hall and bedroom). Don't want to get 2 TVs so this lets me play games / chill in bed if I want to

I got 85" for 3meter distance and it's already just ok

So 75" is not enough for 4 meter. So either get 85" or better still 98".

use this calculator

https://www.the-home-cinema-guide.com/tv-vi...g-distance.html

minimum 85" is better for your distance

oh god. i keep wasting so much time re-watching all movies and tv series

by the way, I think I'm too lazy and set HDR movie for more pop
but when I feel like I want even more pop, I just settle for intelligent + optimize hdr
I think watching cartoon with intelligent nicer
movie can use HDR movie setting and sometimes filmmaker setting

thanks ! but I'm also concerned if too big will it be easy to move

been trying to look for movable tv benches but so far haven't found any. was thinking of just getting 1 from IKEA and adding wheels to it , just checking if anyone else has done something similar for advice ?

EDIT: might be going for The Frame 65 (QA65LS03BAK) @ RM6k. Reasons being : Matt Screen, Gold Bezel (addon) and the separate "input box" so only 1 wire to the TV, while the console & speakers plug into the box (any other TV have this feature ? )



This post has been edited by corad: Dec 13 2023, 01:55 PM

Quite a major downgrade this year . It looks like they just don't give a damn about LCD anymore . But it is still good to have a choice at least.
The build quality has also taken a downgrade .

55 " QN95C was on sale for less than RM4000 , the merchant can't wait to get rid of them . If you have a pretty bright living room , that is still the most impressive LCD HDR TV you can buy in MY 2023.

The other alternative being X95L and X90L but you have to pay Sony tax , which is almost double of what the TV cost.

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 14 2023, 06:41 PM

many reviews actually find these year's Neo QLED series an improvement over last year's. The only part where there seem to be a downgrade was the brightness but in return they are displaying more accurately accross the line now. The new 'static' HDR Tone Mapping setting helped a lot as well

sales number had definitely took a hit though. largely due to OLEDs, major improvements to Chinese brands LCD (TCL and Hisense), and there's still no DV in Samsung

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Dec 14 2023, 07:01 PM

You sure about that ?

Across all the numbers from rting, QN95C score lower than previous 2022 &2021 models , namely QN95A and QN95B despite being a Mini LED TV.
The only category it is scoring higher is the brightness , but that means very little IRL because the local dimming is still a mess , its sluggish and lagging behind the rivals.

This flaw is accentuated in MINI-LED TV, because it struggles to control each grid leaving noticeable ghost trails in dark scene.
Putting this TV in a very bright room will nullify the problem more or less. The model has a lot of plastics and has completely lost the " premium feels " of their flagship QLED from couple of years ago.


I am not seeing where the major improvement is coming from in Chinese brands , in hardware perhaps but that has not translate into picture quality yet.

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 14 2023, 07:18 PM

Rtings said it themselves



The peak brightness figures shows its not as bright as 95B. But this is probably due to the new 'Static' HDR tone mapping setting as I said. Setting it to 'Auto' like 95B should yield similar numbers

Their EOTF graph also shows it tracks more accurately. You can also check out the review for QN90C and 85C as well, they are more accurate now accross the board, just their 85C review is for the ADS panel while we got the VA variant locally

Vincent Teoh confirmed this as well



As for Chinese brands not showing major improvement to picture quality, yes you are right. but they offset that with lower prices, and the PQ is not that far off to the point it seems detrimental. In the end to consumers its more bang for buck. I'm talking about other markets btw, here locally it seems TCL and Hisense are sold at markup prices at launch.

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Dec 14 2023, 09:00 PM

Rting is not exactly a REVIEW site. They are a number extraction website , they have been proven wrong in more than several occassion.

They absolutely do not rate TV by picture quality alone.The fact that they are rating S90C as the " BEST TV " despite S95C scoring higher score in every picture quality test fulfill that narrative .
They rate TV that is the most marketable , most affordable ( according to market price ) to the public as " best tv "


I am also not very sure why are you linking me Vincent's video , if anything that video highlight how much better their QD OLED is compare to their QLED.


Refer to this : https://www.avforums.com/reviews/samsung-qn...v-review.20938/

Phil was one of the most trusted calibrators in the business.


I have seen , touched , watched QN95C IRL , I even briefly lifted the TV which is exactly why I can tell there are A LOT of plastics behind the TV.
Tracking EOTF accurately is ONLY one part of the story , QN95C is still crushing a lot of details due to incompetent local dimming system , especially when compared to X95L which has less " zones " .


QN95B is also not a very good comparison because that is the year they started to shift most of their spolights onto their OLEDs.



That is not called peak brightness , that is the " real scene brightness " , which is a dynamic number that can be deceiving.

The current " Peak brightness " is measured with L20 slides which brands like Samsung often cheated on and never tell the whole story . The reason why QN95C is shown to be a lot dimmer in comparison has NOTHING to do with any PQ EOTF .
PQ EOTF is transfer function, not an algorithm to decide which specific zone of the TV to dim down its highlights . It is because their Local Dimming is far too aggressive , even dark saturated color looks more washed out in comparison. This should NEVER happen to a Quantum Dots TV because that is exactly what Quantum Dots are made for , color saturation.

G3 does not has any Quantum Dots filter but clearly display more saturated colors here.


Another evidence is how QN95C is still scoring over 1500 cd/m2 over any test patterns ( which proved that they indeed have the capability to tone map content to that level of brightness ) but failed the real life test .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 14 2023, 09:28 PM

well you are the one who brought up Rtings first and the comparison to QN95A and 95B, that's why I reference them as well.

Best TV is subjective depending on many factors, to most it's just best bang for buck, hence why the S90C took the crown for them. To many its just not worth paying the premium for S95C for the slight difference. If budget is out of the consideration then A95L would've been a winner for most.

my point of sharing Vincent's video is just to highlight the new HDR tone mapping setting and its effect on the overall brightness

everyone knows by now QD-OLED is better than Neo QLED in terms of PQ, but that's not my point here

and yes Samsung crushing blacks and shadow details is nothing new, i am aware of that. They prioritise minimising blooming over that. Sony is better than Samsung in overall PQ is nothing new as well

all im just trying to say is QN95C is not as bright as last year and its slightly more accurate, that's it. To some that's considered an improvement over last year's Neo QLED series

because you said in the beginning 'quite a major downgrade', in terms of built quality yes probably. in terms of PQ its really subjective as what I said above. If anything I would say its more dissappointing how little improvement there is, rather than a downgrade

as you said, they are focusing more on OLEDs now rather than LCDs

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Dec 14 2023, 09:40 PM

I brought rtings up , because as much as most ppl shouldn't take what they said seriously , they do follow a very strict guideline when it comes to extracting numbers from display hardware.
That alone has earned them a lot of respect because everyone is looking at those numbers everyday . However , how you interpret those numbers is a whole different story.

QN95C has objectively score lower scores in most of its picture quality check than the previous 2 years models and these numbers are irrefutable .That should at least be trustworthy .



Overall brightness , you mean the APL. Yes right , however that has NOTHING to do with what we were talking about . We were talking about its Local Dimming . QN95C has worse local dimming than its Sony / Panasonic MiniLED counterpart and caused destructive aftermath to its dark room performance . Unsurprisingly though , the QN95C is still better than any mini LED released by the rival such as TCL .




yet you are still linking the video , still talking about it . Still comparing it with LCD.

It's not new , but it is actually worse this time because they have to dim down those area harder , since MiniLED is even brighter than their conventional LCD.
Sony has their own fair share of problems , they just happen to have more fanboys and they do make a better TV . Not everyone is willing to pay the Sony TAX . If you calibrate your TV , you can make every flagship TV , 95% within each others .

But it is . Being a MiniLED , it has gained far more advantages than conventional LCD yet the improvement is scarcely noticeable because it has to dim area twice as hard , it crushes more details and also cause dark saturated colors to lose saturation . You set out to do something , end up doing something else that completely destroy your goal. Color performance is arguably the BIGGEST point Samsung can bring out when they are talking about TV.

Yet if you refer to QN90A ( 2021 ) and QN90C ( 2023 ) , look at those color performance numbers and tell me that is not a major downgrade. I wouldn't buy this TV. Would you ?



This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 14 2023, 09:59 PM

Mate i told you why I linked the video already, and I never actually did any comparison with QD OLED did I? I'm just explaining why the video is there in the first place.


For Samsung it just means nothing really had changed much in terms of improvement... From 95A up till 95C. Let's just agree to disagree here.

Too bad we are limited in choices of miniLED here. Sony Msia is not interested in bringing in more sizes for X93L or X95L. TCL C845 is available but overpriced and PQ isn't exactly the great as well. Hisense no comments, they dont even bother bringing U8 series.



For the price they are throwing around now, why not? I mean like what I mentioned above, what choices do you have here if you just wanted miniLED and not go OLED.

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Dec 14 2023, 10:06 PM

Samsung has treated me fairly well in the past few years , I have no reason to trash talk them hombrey.
I speak from what I know , what I see. I don't share most of the stuff in this forum anymore because some E-rabid dog went crazy and started biting everyone.

I was extremely disappointed in the performance of their Mini LED TV , that is a fact because no amount of tinkering or calibration can offset the fundamental flaws seen in the latest model.



I also got a major discount offers from them . This year , just got a 77 s90c for $8000 ish a months ago. It's crazy bang for the buck.

Sony has removed Malaysia from their "key market " several years ago . Since then they have alleviated the X90 series to become their LCD flagship here , and the 85 " X95 being the super high end series.
Gone are the days where they used to bring in flagship like Z9D and X93/94.


I am not paying the Sony Tax anyway and like I mentioned before , with a little study and research and tinkering around , you can make your LG / PANASONIC / SAMSUNG TV look 95% as good .


Mini LED is not that different than LCD. All that extra zone were supposed to be put into use but when you botched the local dimming , what can you do ?

And no , all that plastics are still bothering me because this is supposed to be their 4K LCD Flagship. Even the remote is downgraded to plastics .

X90L has received a major upgrade compare to last year and that has became the " GO TO LCD " of the year in MY .

Lazada was selling QN95C 55" for like $3800. Quite a steal if you ask me . But no I still wouldn't buy it.

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 14 2023, 10:25 PM

I rmb u did offer calibration service at one point or am I mistaken? Do you still do that nowadays?

We can bring this over to PM if you do and want to discuss further

I own a 85C anyway and to my eyes the PQ is great enough for the price. Though I am not sure how it compares to the 95 and 90 since all the reviews online doesn't apply here(ADS vs VA panel). I just have a hunch feeling the 85C is Samsung's pick (most improved) this year, instead of the 95C. It just feels like a nerfed 95B (in terms of brightness), but I dont have the numbers for that. I wish there's a proper review for the VA model out there. The anti reflection coating is kinda terrible though

Sellers had been clearing the QN95C since Oct. Back then the 65" can be had for 7.4k. Btw isn't the remote same from last year? Afaik since they switched to the solar remote its been all plastic since

Regarding X90L.... like what u said there's the Sony tax. That TV shouldn't have been priced for what it is on paper. Yes the PQ is great and they achieved a lot for what it is, still the pricing...

Hopefully they'll eventually move the 90 series to miniLED and remain regular FALD just for 85 series or below

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Dec 15 2023, 04:16 AM

how about samsung oled? they are priced quite competitively. reviews from youtube nd few other sites look quite good. anyone here has tried them?