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 ILLEGEAR Onyx Discussion Thread V1, Illegear's first Bazel-less Notebook

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Prince J
post May 10 2018, 07:22 PM

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Hi guys, large battery option will still be available but only for certain ONYX configurations.

I will confirm the details after the election holidays, currently stuck at my hometown with limited internet access.

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post May 11 2018, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ May 10 2018, 07:22 PM)
Hi guys, large battery option will still be available but only for certain ONYX configurations.

I will confirm the details after the election holidays, currently stuck at my hometown with limited internet access.
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Thanks for the confirmation Prince J, it's very much appreciated!

And do enjoy your election holidays. After the rush that surrounded the April launches, you guys deserve the rest.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 10 2018, 04:11 PM)
I still can't believe it but yeah, new age indeed!

Hmm, at least it's NOT the memory, and we can cross that out. Next on, drivers, as you said, or Chrome.

And yeah, it feels a bit of a waste, even though I have a 2TB SSHD in there so the extended cell isn't entirely a priority for me ATM. Still, hopefully Illegear pulls through even if it needs to be delayed or something.
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I sense some bias against chrome here brows.gif

Great that Prince is verifying the upgrade option, but how come only for selected configs, when they share the same internal layout? hmm.gif

Oh and i just remembered, during my conversation, I asked Azim about the 144hz screen, he said the color reproduction is the same as the current panel, so no reason for me to upgrade it seems.
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post May 11 2018, 03:06 AM

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This isn't your vid Eiraku?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-h6bcAlEqU&t=295s

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QUOTE(Snappy_Darko @ May 11 2018, 03:06 AM)
Unfortunately no lol. I'm not confident enough to appear personally on stage like that.

If I ever have a video out, it'll just be my voice and my gloved hands lol, but FO4 (and work) is stalling that a bit lol. My proper long ass text review is practically finished though, and I just need to insert some pics into it.

Nice to finally have somebody talking about the Onyx though, even if his CB scores are pretty low as I'm getting consistent 1000++CB scores. But I'll just chalk that up to configuration differences.

gunzerdude No no, no bias against Chrome at all TBH. It's just that I don't use it and I'm not having any issues. So yeah.

And as for the 144hz screen, while GAMUT is gonna be (about) the same, colours should render better on the new screen as it's a proper IPS panel. The Onyx screen is actually a VA - which isn't bad either but isn't IPS.

For me, I'm not particularly colour sensitive, don't need the extra hertz and I don't really find my 60hz panel to be too bad (VA or otherwise)... so I'm not gonna participate in the panel lottery yet again just for modest colour (and refresh rate) improvements.

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post May 11 2018, 04:26 AM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 11 2018, 04:02 AM)
Unfortunately no lol. I'm not confident enough to appear personally on stage like that.

If I ever have a video out, it'll just be my voice and my gloved hands lol, but FO4 (and work) is stalling that a bit lol. My proper long ass text review is practically finished though, and I just need to insert some pics into it.

Nice to finally have somebody talking about the Onyx though, even if his CB scores are pretty low as I'm getting consistent 1000++CB scores. But I'll just chalk that up to configuration differences.

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But you do plan on making a vid review, right? I imagine yours to be scripted much better than that one! And while i'm on the subject (and pardon my ignorance), but is this not a Malaysian site - how come everyone speaks English like you're all native Englanders (better actually)!! I can only guess that the education system there is amazing :-)

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QUOTE(Snappy_Darko @ May 11 2018, 04:26 AM)
But you do plan on making a vid review, right? I imagine yours to be scripted much better than that one! And while i'm on the subject (and pardon my ignorance), but is this not a Malaysian site -  how come everyone speaks English like you're all native Englanders (better actually)!! I can only guess that the education system there is amazing :-)
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Nah, the Edu system is pretty normal. it's just that a lot of the folks who visit this here parts (Lowyat.Net) are usually able to speak okay English... most of the time anyway.

In general though, being former subjects of the Crown, we (Malaysians) are pretty decent when it come to English... but outside the urban areas, it's not as rosy - but there will be people who can cobble up basic conversation nonetheless.

English is, after all, our second official language (as funny as that may sound lol).

As for my vid review, expect it to take a while as I figure out how to actually record it lol (keep in mind that the previous Keyboard Sound Test thing was my first tech-related video recording EVER lol).

But the text one should be ready as soon as I find extra time in between saving the Commonwealth from the horrors of the Institute (FO4 reference lol).

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post May 11 2018, 05:10 PM

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Alright, stole some time from FO4 to finish the Full Text Review, so yeah it's up: https://goo.gl/u71dSt

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post May 11 2018, 06:57 PM

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ONYX Review by Primeval Media



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post May 11 2018, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 11 2018, 04:55 AM)
Nah, the Edu system is pretty normal. it's just that a lot of the folks who visit this here parts (Lowyat.Net) are usually able to speak okay English... most of the time anyway.

In general though, being former subjects of the Crown, we (Malaysians) are pretty decent when it come to English... but outside the urban areas, it's not as rosy - but there will be people who can cobble up basic conversation nonetheless.

English is, after all, our second official language (as funny as that may sound lol).

As for my vid review, expect it to take a while as I figure out how to actually record it lol (keep in mind that the previous Keyboard Sound Test thing was my first tech-related video recording EVER lol).

But the text one should be ready as soon as I find extra time in between saving the Commonwealth from the horrors of the Institute (FO4 reference lol).
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I had no idea it was the second official language. In fact I know next to nothing about Malaysia, but since I've been on here i've being paying more attention to the latest election news!
Right, time to tuck into that review of yours :-)
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QUOTE(Prince J @ May 11 2018, 06:57 PM)
ONYX Review by Primeval Media
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Thanks, will post that onto the FP later.

But yeah, I still wonder why the guy's getting sub-1k CB scores. Slower SSD? Non-Dual Channel RAM?

And the AMA thread got bumped off Reddit for some reason lol. Oh well, at least I've opened *some* eyes to the existence of the GK5CN, should be enough that less people would mistake it for a Clevo again.

And anybody interested can just Google for it, now that there's enough non-Chinese information on it floating in the Interwebs already.

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the fans. oh my the fans.. i had some initiall stuttering with the mouse in the beginning, but im assuming it was due to the updates in the background.

so far after a day it seems to be good for the work im doing.

screen seems abit warm to me. is there anyway to change that?

and the fanns.. oh have i mentioned the fans? its very very loud...
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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 12 2018, 02:26 PM)
the fans. oh my the fans.. i had some initiall stuttering with the mouse in the beginning, but im assuming it was due to the updates in the background.

so far after a day it seems to be good for the work im doing.

screen seems abit warm to me. is there anyway to change that?

and the fanns.. oh have i mentioned the fans? its very very loud...
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Only the BIOS/EC update fixes them "loud" fans, unfortunately - which IMHO is the "weird curves" I was talking about in my review. It still gets pretty loud post update, but only when it's "supposed" to.

You can try tweaking the fan curves in Onyx Control Center. Switch to "manual" under the fan settings and pull down the fan speeds (especially for the top end, but be reasonable).

As for the screen, did you have calibration selected at purchase? If so, its probably normal for it to look warm, but you can also try the Calibration Profile for the Aero 15/15X from NBC as those also use the same screen (look for the "X-Rite i1Pro 2" box under "brightness distribution" in those review, there's a link marked ICC file).

Where to mess around with all this ICC stuff? Just type "Color Management" into your start menu.

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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 12 2018, 02:26 PM)
the fans. oh my the fans.. i had some initiall stuttering with the mouse in the beginning, but im assuming it was due to the updates in the background.

so far after a day it seems to be good for the work im doing.

screen seems abit warm to me. is there anyway to change that?

and the fanns.. oh have i mentioned the fans? its very very loud...
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When comparing the fan noise in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-h6bcAlEqU&t=295s to dave2d's fan noise recordings of all of his 8750h slim n lights, there does't seem to be too much in it. This seems like the biggest technical blip with this series. I'm seeing in all reviews that even at idle theres 'ambient' noise.
(i even considered drilling a few extra holes in the chassis lol)

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QUOTE(Snappy_Darko @ May 12 2018, 05:32 PM)
When comparing the fan noise in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-h6bcAlEqU&t=295s to dave2d's fan noise recordings of all of his 8750h slim n lights, there does't seem to be too much in it.  This seems like the biggest technical blip with this series.  I'm seeing in all reviews that even at idle theres 'ambient' noise.
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The updated EC/BIOS helps a lot, TBH. Especially due to the fact that you get a BIOS "switch" to tune between quieter + throttled running and loud + unthrottled performance. Heck, even tuned for performance the new EC is pretty quiet at idle.

Also, compared to the "silent" rivals (namely the GS65 and the Aero) the GK5CN (even on the current, outdated Oynx EC that I ran the review in) runs slightly cooler, so yeah it's pretty much a give and take situation. Plus don't forget due to the lower heat you can tune the manual fan curves for lower noise and STILL run cooler then the others (on the shipped EC anyway, after the update I don't really think you'll be needing the custom curves).

And no, don't drill holes. It's just the fan curves, the unit itself actually runs cooler then its rivals (as I've mentioned before) so it's pretty pointless to drill holes.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 12 2018, 05:39 PM)
The updated EC/BIOS helps a lot, TBH. Especially due to the fact that you get a BIOS "switch" to tune between quieter + throttled running and loud + unthrottled performance. Heck, even tuned for performance the new EC is pretty quiet at idle.

Also, compared to the "silent" rivals (namely the GS65 and the Aero) the GK5CN (even on the current, outdated Oynx EC that I ran the review in) runs slightly cooler, so yeah it's pretty much a give and take situation. Plus don't forget due to the lower heat you can tune the manual fan curves for lower noise and STILL run cooler then the others (on the shipped EC anyway, after the update I don't really think you'll be needing the custom curves).

And no, don't drill holes. It's just the fan curves, the unit itself actually runs cooler then its rivals (as I've mentioned before) so it's pretty pointless to drill holes.
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Does it run at it's quietest when streaming or playing movies? I'm not clear on the notion of light useage - whether streaming/playing films counts as light.
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QUOTE(Snappy_Darko @ May 12 2018, 09:01 PM)
Does it run at it's quietest when streaming or playing movies?  I'm not clear on the notion of light useage - whether streaming/playing films counts as light.
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Fans don't seem to be running as I'm watching videos (on Potplayer) on the internal panel (aka, accelerated by the IGPU). At most, maybe JUST the CPU fan is running, but barely (you don't really hear it unless you put your ear next to the keyboard).

File played is a 720p HEVC2 clip though, so load is pretty light (especially with CFL-H as it has internal HEVC decode acceleration), but yeah, I guess that answers your question. Just don't stream 4k though it and expect it to run similarly quiet though.

But damn, now that I'm having a video played on this thing, the VA panel is actually not bad at all TBH, despite my reservations about the colour being inferior to the 144hz panel. Guess a good sample of the Chi Mei is pretty decent indeed.

BTW, the moment you plug in an external display, expect the GPU fan to start running as well as all external video is routed through the DGPU. Not that this is exclusive to the Onyx / GK5CN either - my Clevo P950 used to do the exact same thing.

Sure it's bad for battery life but hey, at least we get the opportunity to use external G-Sync.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 12 2018, 11:55 PM)
Fans don't seem to be running as I'm watching videos (on Potplayer) on the internal panel (aka, accelerated by the IGPU). At most, maybe JUST the CPU fan is running, but barely (you don't really hear it unless you put your ear next to the keyboard).

File played is a 720p HEVC2 clip though, so load is pretty light (especially with CFL-H as it has internal HEVC decode acceleration), but yeah, I guess that answers your question. Just don't stream 4k though it and expect it to run similarly quiet though.

But damn, now that I'm having a video played on this thing, the VA panel is actually not bad at all TBH, despite my reservations about the colour being inferior to the 144hz panel. Guess a good sample of the Chi Mei is pretty decent indeed.

BTW, the moment you plug in an external display, expect the GPU fan to start running as well as all external video is routed through the DGPU. Not that this is exclusive to the Onyx / GK5CN either - my Clevo P950 used to do the exact same thing.

Sure it's bad for battery life but hey, at least we get the opportunity to use external G-Sync.
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Oh cool. Thanks for testing that. Itching to order mine, but will hold out until Illegear come back with further info on the battery.
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Receive whatsapp message just now notify me that my onyx will be delayed because GTX 1060 out of stock. cry.gif
Stock will arrive around June. If I want it fast I can downgrade to GTX 1050ti but I choose to wait for GTX 1060.
Hope GTX1060 stock arrive soonest. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 12 2018, 05:39 PM)
The updated EC/BIOS helps a lot, TBH. Especially due to the fact that you get a BIOS "switch" to tune between quieter + throttled running and loud + unthrottled performance. Heck, even tuned for performance the new EC is pretty quiet at idle.

Also, compared to the "silent" rivals (namely the GS65 and the Aero) the GK5CN (even on the current, outdated Oynx EC that I ran the review in) runs slightly cooler, so yeah it's pretty much a give and take situation. Plus don't forget due to the lower heat you can tune the manual fan curves for lower noise and STILL run cooler then the others (on the shipped EC anyway, after the update I don't really think you'll be needing the custom curves).

And no, don't drill holes. It's just the fan curves, the unit itself actually runs cooler then its rivals (as I've mentioned before) so it's pretty pointless to drill holes.
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the bios/EC drivers not released yet right?

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