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 ILLEGEAR Onyx Discussion Thread V1, Illegear's first Bazel-less Notebook

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post May 13 2018, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 13 2018, 03:27 PM)
the bios/EC drivers not released yet right?
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Not the official ones from Illegear at least... its still in the middle of being customised/adjusted alongside the new Command Center.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 13 2018, 08:06 PM)
Not the official ones from Illegear at least... its still in the middle of being customised/adjusted alongside the new Command Center.
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Hmm. Hope that comes soon.

Oh any tips on skinning the laptop? Wanna get it a little more stealthy.
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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 14 2018, 10:47 AM)
Hmm. Hope that comes soon.

Oh any tips on skinning the laptop? Wanna get it a little more stealthy.
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Well, get good 3M / Orcal vinyl if you're doing it yourself. For me I don't have that option as 3M / Orcal doesn't have translucent CF vinyl.

Otherwise yeah, just work slowly with a squeegee/credit card during aplication to ensure even-ness. Oh and a hair drier on low helps too.

BTW, quick note. Translucent anything skins are really a PITA to apply due to the bubbles. Sure screen protectors and the like are enough of a pain to apply but heck, try 15 inches diagonal's worth of metal. But yeah, my own choice of material so my own fault, tough translucent CF is really cool as far as skins go really (it protects and feels awesome and yet you can still see the logo underneath).

Normal opaque skins should be a cinch to apply in comparison, as you only really need to worry about even-ness.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 14 2018, 12:44 PM)
Well, get good 3M / Orcal vinyl if you're doing it yourself. For me I don't have that option as 3M / Orcal doesn't have translucent CF vinyl.

Otherwise yeah, just work slowly with a squeegee/credit card during aplication to ensure even-ness. Oh and a hair drier on low helps too.

BTW, quick note. Translucent anything skins are really a PITA to apply due to the bubbles. Sure screen protectors and the like are enough of a pain to apply but heck, try 15 inches diagonal's worth of metal. But yeah, my own choice of material so my own fault, tough translucent CF is really cool as far as skins go really (it protects and feels awesome and yet you can still see the logo underneath).

Normal opaque skins should be a cinch to apply in comparison, as you only really need to worry about even-ness.
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thanks for the tips. yea. translucent wont be my thing. just wanna skin it so its not so obvious and fingerprinty.
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post May 14 2018, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 12 2018, 11:55 PM)
Fans don't seem to be running as I'm watching videos (on Potplayer) on the internal panel (aka, accelerated by the IGPU). At most, maybe JUST the CPU fan is running, but barely (you don't really hear it unless you put your ear next to the keyboard).

File played is a 720p HEVC2 clip though, so load is pretty light (especially with CFL-H as it has internal HEVC decode acceleration), but yeah, I guess that answers your question. Just don't stream 4k though it and expect it to run similarly quiet though.

But damn, now that I'm having a video played on this thing, the VA panel is actually not bad at all TBH, despite my reservations about the colour being inferior to the 144hz panel. Guess a good sample of the Chi Mei is pretty decent indeed.

BTW, the moment you plug in an external display, expect the GPU fan to start running as well as all external video is routed through the DGPU. Not that this is exclusive to the Onyx / GK5CN either - my Clevo P950 used to do the exact same thing.

Sure it's bad for battery life but hey, at least we get the opportunity to use external G-Sync.
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Sorry, back to the fans again... I can see that there's mesh underneath and also vents around the rear. Where doe the hot air come out? Thinking whether it'll be content running quietly on my lap or in bed on top of soft sheets (as opposed to on a flat surface.. (soz for nit-picky questions blush.gif )
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QUOTE(Snappy_Darko @ May 14 2018, 07:41 PM)
Sorry, back to the fans again... I can see that there's mesh underneath and also vents around the rear. Where doe the hot air come out?  Thinking whether it'll be content running quietly on my lap or in bed on top of soft sheets (as opposed to on a flat surface.. (soz for nit-picky questions blush.gif )
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the hot air mostly gets pushed out the back vents. the WASD keys are exceptionally cool.. er. dont know about the bottom as ive always got it on my desk atm. will test it later.

btw.. ive gotten 4 BSOD's while watching a movie on VLC while on battery power... this is extremely disturbing..
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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 15 2018, 01:42 AM)
the hot air mostly gets pushed out the back vents. the WASD keys are exceptionally cool.. er. dont know about the bottom as ive always got it on my desk atm. will test it later.

btw.. ive gotten 4 BSOD's while watching a movie on VLC while on battery power... this is extremely disturbing..
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Hmm, I've yet to even get one TBH. Games crashes during overclocking yes, but zero BSODs. You might want to check with Illegear about the BSODs.

I don't use VLC though (more a PotPlayer/MPCBE guy).

That said, my WiFi did go missing for a short while before reappearing, and that's about the most trouble I've gotten with my Onyx (yeah, it was a PITA nonetheless).

Snappy_Darko Air intakes are at the bottom and it exhausts to the side and back. You might not want to put it on a bed because that might block the intakes TBH.

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post May 15 2018, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 15 2018, 01:42 AM)
the hot air mostly gets pushed out the back vents. the WASD keys are exceptionally cool.. er. dont know about the bottom as ive always got it on my desk atm. will test it later.

btw.. ive gotten 4 BSOD's while watching a movie on VLC while on battery power... this is extremely disturbing..
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what BSOD error did you get? Sometimes I will have BSODs too, most of the time different errors and it won't restart at the BSOD screen, have to restart self.

I also experienced it even after turning off ThrottleStop, I am starting to think the BSODs are not related to undervolting.
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QUOTE(jrlogger @ May 15 2018, 09:43 AM)
what BSOD error did you get? Sometimes I will have BSODs too, most of the time different errors and it won't restart at the BSOD screen, have to restart self.

I also experienced it even after turning off ThrottleStop, I am starting to think the BSODs are not related to undervolting.
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Never touched the bios yet. No time to see what is the bsod. Just get the error, your computer had an error. Needs to restart. Boop. Then resets. ):
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BSOD can be caused by either software or hardware. We usually test RAM first by using memtest and if the BSOD persists, we will test with another OS. If your machine still gets BSOD after replacing the good RAM and reinstall OS, then it might be due to hardware.

You may send us the BSOD codes, and we will assist.
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QUOTE(Prince J @ May 15 2018, 11:43 AM)
BSOD can be caused by either software or hardware. We usually test RAM first by using memtest and if the BSOD persists, we will test with another OS. If your machine still gets BSOD after replacing the good RAM and reinstall OS, then it might be due to hardware.

You may send us the BSOD codes, and we will assist.
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is there any way to check the BSOD codes after it flashes on the screen?

btw, anyone know where i can get these 90 degree angle usb cables?
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/supe...0205525840.html
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QUOTE(jrlogger @ May 15 2018, 09:43 AM)
what BSOD error did you get? Sometimes I will have BSODs too, most of the time different errors and it won't restart at the BSOD screen, have to restart self.

I also experienced it even after turning off ThrottleStop, I am starting to think the BSODs are not related to undervolting.
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I'm not getting any even WITH TS and UV. Hmmm.

Not doubting any of you guys' experiences though. Just wondering about combination of things leading to the BSODs.

It might be the Nvidia drivers (and Optimus) though, considering the Onyx is shipped with the older 388 drivers and you need to jump through hoops of fire to update those.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 15 2018, 12:53 PM)
I'm not getting any even WITH TS and UV. Hmmm.

Not doubting any of you guys' experiences though. Just wondering about combination of things leading to the BSODs.

It might be the Nvidia drivers (and Optimus) though, considering the Onyx is shipped with the older 388 drivers and you need to jump through hoops of fire to update those.
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Come to think of it, the BSODs occurred after updating the bios/installing the new NVIDIA drivers. Maybe I can try rolling back to old drivers... Or wait for the new bios.
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Hmmm, I'm beginning to wonder what's taking the BIOS so long to be customised TBH. I do hope that the delaying issues get ironed out properly though.

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hi guys. seeing another issue here.. hope someone has a fix. when i close my laptop without shutting down/putting to sleep, the battery drains away.

is this normal behaviour?
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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 16 2018, 07:13 AM)
hi guys. seeing another issue here.. hope someone has a fix. when i close my laptop without shutting down/putting to sleep, the battery drains away.

is this normal behaviour?
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Errr, close your laptop how? Like closing the lid? That's supposed to put it to sleep automatically unless you've changed the lid down behaviour.

If you HAVE changed it to "do nothing" when the lid is down, then yeah the battery drain is normal behaviour as your laptop is STILL running as usual even when you close your lid.

But if you haven't that just means it's draining while sleeping which is still pretty normal unless it's a ridiculous amount of drain.

Only hibernation = quick resume without drain. Sleep still drains a small amount of battery power - small being like 5-10% an hour or something like that.

That is, unless I'm mistaken about your situation here, because I'm still not entirely clear about "closing without shutting down/putting to sleep".

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 16 2018, 11:52 AM)
Errr, close your laptop how? Like closing the lid? That's supposed to put it to sleep automatically unless you've changed the lid down behaviour.

If you HAVE changed it to "do nothing" when the lid is down, then yeah the battery drain is normal behaviour as your laptop is STILL running as usual even when you close your lid.

But if you haven't that just means it's draining while sleeping which is still pretty normal unless it's a ridiculous amount of drain.

Only hibernation = quick resume without drain. Sleep still drains a small amount of battery power - small being like 5-10% an hour or something like that.

That is, unless I'm mistaken about your situation here, because I'm still not entirely clear about "closing without shutting down/putting to sleep".
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didnt mess with the power settings. then opened it up after i put up that post.

then i changed it to "shutdown after 30m on battery"

thennnn i closed it and put it into my bag.

1 hour later i reach office and open my bag. woah. my pc fans are running. i had furmark open. but its so confusing man. lol

this kinda making me miss my mac.
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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 16 2018, 12:41 PM)
didnt mess with the power settings. then opened it up after i put up that post.

then i changed it to "shutdown after 30m on battery"

thennnn i closed it and put it into my bag.

1 hour later i reach office and open my bag. woah. my pc fans are running. i had furmark open. but its so confusing man. lol

this kinda making me miss my mac.
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Last year I bought a my first desktop PC after being a Mac user since 2009. For content creation apple just weren't offering value for money anymore, but i soon discovered that Windows is so much more unstable out of the box than Mac OS. You have to figure more out loads more yourself and at first I was really quite miffed at the difference (I had a BSOD after a few weeks of using it and lost everything)...but a year on i've ironed out the creases, done a little overclocking even, and now i'd never consider go back to apple for computing (though am curious about their new CPU). The growing pains of the Mac-Win transitions are real, but in my experience they were totally worth it. Soldier on!
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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 16 2018, 12:41 PM)
didnt mess with the power settings. then opened it up after i put up that post.

then i changed it to "shutdown after 30m on battery"

thennnn i closed it and put it into my bag.

1 hour later i reach office and open my bag. woah. my pc fans are running. i had furmark open. but its so confusing man. lol

this kinda making me miss my mac.
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By windows default closing the lid should sleep your laptop in battery mode, i guess it wasn't set correctly. I also suggest to completely shutdown the laptop before putting into backpack.
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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 16 2018, 12:41 PM)
didnt mess with the power settings. then opened it up after i put up that post.

then i changed it to "shutdown after 30m on battery"

thennnn i closed it and put it into my bag.

1 hour later i reach office and open my bag. woah. my pc fans are running. i had furmark open. but its so confusing man. lol

this kinda making me miss my mac.
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Yeahhhhhh Windows isn't as convenient as Macs are unless you set them up right. Mine doesn't go to sleep when I put the lid down because I'm used to using them like that (I sleep/shut down manually).

Even IF it sleeps, there are always programs that can pull it out of sleep sometimes, and this happens on any Windows notebook.

Hell, if you set it up in a certain way, you can wake your computer up from being shut down completely through a network connection lol.

Snappy_Darko Yeah convenience wise, Macs still have the upper hand unfortunately. Windows comes out of the box all wrong for human consumption lol (hence me having to go through the same bloody setup ritual every time I get a Windows machine), though things have improved by leaps and bounds in Win 10 IMHO.

Except for the spying on you / telemetry part of course.

Prince J The keyboard key LEDs staying alive even when the screen is off with the lid down (not sleep, just screen off) is just weird though. Any way you can tell TF to fix that in upcoming updates?

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