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post May 22 2012, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(domcobb @ May 20 2012, 09:17 PM)
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The Avenger is average, at best.
Agree to disagree?... There are always arguments to counter your P.O.V.

No. 4 BO movie of all time... and soon to be No.3 after Avatar & Titanic says something does it... While Avatar has Visuals... Titanic has a love story (crazy teenage girls).... Avengers has well written/developed Script/Story (& Hulk)

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post May 22 2012, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ May 21 2012, 04:47 AM)
Sir, as The philosopher Joker once said, "Why so serious?"
This is way too much analysis for a summer popcorn movie.
I myself prefer the dark gritty superheroes of Nolan's Batman, but The Avengers and the Marvel's fun superheroes movies that preceded this, met my expectation, was hyped too much maybe but still nice for me.

Some points I'd like to counter though; Loki is a lame villain, I'll agree but the moviemakers want to stay loyal to at least few plots of the comic book origin i.e. Loki was the 1st villain that caused the Avengers to assemble, and not Nick Fury (the co-founder of the Avengers, the Wasp and Ant-Man wasn't even mentioned). The puny god scene is clearly meant to illicit laughter from the mainstream audience, and it works whether you like it or not, coz the movie isn't made for niche elitist audience.

The Mark VII new suit background story was told in the iOS/Android app.  The Nick Fury's Big Week comic (8 issues) kinda tell the prologue of the Avengers.  In this modern multimedia world, a big studio movie isn't standalone by itself any longer, there'll be other media / spin-offs to complement the story or tell a part that the movie maker thinks is too time consuming to be included in the main movie.

Though I would like to discuss a movie I care about more deeply with frens, I think The Avengers isn't one of them. I watched it, I like it, I feel it's above average, I'll forget about it soon when other greater movie comes out e.g. (finger crossed) TDKR.
Ya, Loki isn't the most powerful villain to face a group of superheroes; truthfully, I didn't read the origin comic; how did Loki fare in the comic .... anyway, looking forward to The Avengers 2 with Thanos & the Infinity Gauntlet story arc.
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Likewise, if I may direct that question back at you, “Why so serious?” about my take on this movie?

It is interesting, no doubt, how, in your own words, ‘… the movie isn’t made for niche elitist audience’ and yet, in the very next line that follows, you mentioned of how the background story of Mark VII was told in the iOS/Android app, a rather niche method, if I may say so and you, having read about it, understood what is special, if there is any in the first place, about the mentioned suit that was featured in this movie. Honestly, how many of us are aware of such story in the 1st place? Chances are until one stumbles upon or be told of it, one wouldn’t even know of its existence, let alone owning a compatible device that can access it.

By the way, thanks shai_razi for posting that video up. smile.gif

QUOTE(BeastX @ May 22 2012, 06:21 PM)
Agree to disagree?... There are always arguments to counter your P.O.V.

No. 4 BO movie of all time... and soon to be No.3 after Avatar & Titanic says something does it... While Avatar has Visuals... Titanic has a love story (crazy teenage girls).... Avengers has well written/developed Script/Story (& Hulk)
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Of course there will always be arguments to counter my opinion; just as the saying goes, ‘one man’s meat is another man’s poison’. In fact, it was never my intention to have everyone to agree to my view on this movie as I always believe that there is no one movie out there that can make everyone happy, and that includes The Dark Knight, given how some forumers are actively comparing these 2 movies, side by side. I have come across individuals who hated the The Dark Knight and I’m not surprise by their choice, given their perspective. smile.gif

Personally, where a movie stands in BO doesn’t reflect how good that movie is.

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While most may like "Puny God".... I prefer the phrase "Mewling Quim" (border-line foul words)....

As someone mention... the movie serves all levels... it's "Brain Candy" and not just Eye Candy.

p.s. "Dark Energy" (Loki to Thor) is an actual term is Astrophysics that science today has yet to fully explain... Stephen Hawking reference, gateway in space, thermonuclear ... see the interconnection

to the layman however Dark Energy = Dark Magic

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I really don't understand the people who say Loki was weak. Tom Hiddleston was fantastic, one of the best performances in a movie that had no bad ones. Devious, arrogant, sadistic, angry, yet hurt and resentful - he managed to portray them all.

I think those people can only think of movies as video games, and they just want their villains to be the most powerful final boss. rolleyes.gif


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Actually, domcobb, the reason Stark needed to go back to grab the Mark VII so desperately was because the Mark VI was too badly damaged. He wanted to switch to the new suit in preparation for the next battle.


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QUOTE(n00b13 @ May 22 2012, 08:02 PM)
I really don't understand the people who say Loki was weak. Tom Hiddleston was fantastic, one of the best performances in a movie that had no bad ones. Devious, arrogant, sadistic, angry, yet hurt and resentful - he managed to portray them all.

I think those people can only think of movies as video games, and they just want their villains to be the most powerful final boss.  rolleyes.gif
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I agree in that I liked the fact that Loki was so multifaceted. He was driven by so many different emotions. Sometimes seeming like he wasn't beyond redemption, other times, a total scoundrel.

I suppose the biggest issue with people was that he wasn't powerful enough to pose much of a threat or menace to the heroes. Hulk just cut him off mid speech and smashed him around like a rag doll. There was no sense of foreboding or doom.

If people understood his character, Loki is more of a manipulator. Not a fighter.

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ May 22 2012, 08:03 PM)
Actually, domcobb, the reason Stark needed to go back to grab the Mark VII so desperately was because the Mark VI was too badly damaged. He wanted to switch to the new suit in preparation for the next battle.
Well besides Mk. VI being damaged.... (without the benefit of app download) Mk. VII has modular parts, Back thursters for flight, aerial combat, frees Tony's hand repulsors for battle.. You may have notice in IM2 Mk. VI cannot fight while flying/maneuvering
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QUOTE(domcobb @ May 22 2012, 07:19 PM)
Of course there will always be arguments to counter my opinion; just as the saying goes, ‘one man’s meat is another man’s poison’. In fact, it was never my intention to have everyone to agree to my view on this movie as I always believe that there is no one movie out there that can make everyone happy, and that includes The Dark Knight, given how some forumers are actively comparing these 2 movies, side by side. I have come across individuals who hated the The Dark Knight and I’m not surprise by their choice, given their perspective. smile.gif
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i'm one of those didn't like TDK, prefer Batman Begins more.
TDK is abit heavy handed to me.
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ May 22 2012, 08:03 PM)
I agree in that I liked the fact that Loki was so multifaceted. He was driven by so many different emotions. Sometimes seeming like he wasn't beyond redemption, other times, a total scoundrel.

I suppose the biggest issue with people was that he wasn't powerful enough to pose much of a threat or menace to the heroes. Hulk just cut him off mid speech and smashed him around like a rag doll. There was no sense of foreboding or doom.

If people understood his character, Loki is more of a manipulator. Not a fighter.
Hence.... Loki almost succeeded to disassemble the Avengers and Won....had he not kill Phil..

or If Loki was successful ... NY will be nuked and more Chitauri will still come (gateway is still opened, cube's protected with the energy barrier)

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post May 22 2012, 09:34 PM

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Yes, I do think that Tom, as an actor, delivered a rather good performance as compared to the rest of the cast and his display of multiple expressions was neatly done throughout. Indeed, he is a schemer but the character was just not manipulative enough, in my opinion.


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It didn't look like he had a plan at all in the 2nd half of the movie. God of mischief looked like a rebellious kid getting schooled.
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It didn't look like he had a plan at all in the 2nd half of the movie. God of mischief looked like a rebellious kid getting schooled.
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He was a weak villain simply because I never felt threatened by him.

P/S: Hiddleston looks like a skinny Fassbender.

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I feel weird.

Thor's hammer was supposed to be mega heavy even Hulk only barely lift it. Why the hovercraft ship didnt fall down as if it was pinned by something when the Mjonir fell from Thor's hand to the ship's floor (when the ship is flying)?
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QUOTE(Brian O'Connor @ May 23 2012, 10:02 AM)
I feel weird.

Thor's hammer was supposed to be mega heavy even Hulk only barely lift it. Why the hovercraft ship didnt fall down as if it was pinned by something when the Mjonir fell from Thor's hand to the ship's floor (when the ship is flying)?
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i dont think it's heavy in the gravity sense.
it's heavy in the sense that whoever is not fit to hold it, will never be able to pick it up.

Remember in Thor-when he first tries to reclaim Mjolnir, he could not pick it up because at the time he was deemed unworthy of it.

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I enjoy all your arguments and points..
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ May 22 2012, 08:03 PM)
I suppose the biggest issue with people was that he wasn't powerful enough to pose much of a threat or menace to the heroes. Hulk just cut him off mid speech and smashed him around like a rag doll. There was no sense of foreboding or doom.
That's a ridiculous criticism. That was supposed to be a funny scene, and it was very funny. Why does a villain need to be physically powerful to be menacing? Can there be no other kind of villain? That's the video game mentality talking.

Once again, people who dislike this movie seem to dislike it because it's not the movie they created in their heads. Summore got one guy thinks Joss Whedon's dialogue is "corny", like he can do better. rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(n00b13 @ May 23 2012, 11:56 AM)
That's a ridiculous criticism. That was supposed to be a funny scene, and it was very funny. Why does a villain need to be physically powerful to be menacing? Can there be no other kind of villain? That's the video game mentality talking.

Once again, people who dislike this movie seem to dislike it because it's not the movie they created in their heads. Summore got one guy thinks Joss Whedon's dialogue is "corny", like he can do better.  rolleyes.gif
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It is funny. I LOL at the scene.

The things is, Loki lost credibility as a dangerous villain by being turned into a clown at that moment. Hence my previous observation. Don't get me wrong. I loved the movie and I thought Hiddleston did a marvellous job.
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ May 23 2012, 11:59 AM)
It is funny. I LOL at the scene.

The things is, Loki lost credibility as a dangerous villain by being turned into a clown at that moment. Hence my previous observation. Don't get me wrong. I loved the movie and I thought Hiddleston did a marvellous job.
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It's not a dark movie.. So, do expect some comedic moment even on the villain.. I dont find it degrading for Hulk to smash Loki that way.. Loki being Loki thinks he's a God and strong et all.. Well, Hulk just kinda put him back down to Earth i guess brows.gif
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ May 23 2012, 11:56 AM)
like he can do better.  rolleyes.gif
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Hey guys according to this guy, there is a scene showing spiderman & silver surfer after all the credits, true or just a ass clown being a ass clown???
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2358044

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