i dont know... although loki can 'turn' a person using the scepter... but being able to get into a persons mind and manipulate to an extent just seems too .... easy i guess.. why the need to use the scepter then. did it amplify his powers? i guess everyone can come up with their own interpretations to fill in the gaps. with that scenario, banner is a scientist. him being easily susceptible is doubtful since he can for the most part control his rage and the transformation to hulk. anyways, maybe a hulk movie can shed light on this, or the directors commentary from the bluray

That didn't stop eric selvig from "taking a look at the tessarect".

the best film in 2012!
watched 3d format for the 2nd time

the film just awesome!

best movie ever! planning to buy avenger DVD so i could watch over and over again hehe

Where do I begin?

Loki is both lame and stupid. His introduction was fine but it's one without menace. You can't feel it. There's nothing intimidating about him. Not one bit. His talk about ruling the planet was acceptable, in the beginning, but with each repetition that follows, despite it's variation, it was downright boring. He's a N.A.T.O. all the way. He should, in my opinion, just shut up and strike more.

He's an idiot too. Demigod or not, you would do something, anything when someone or something, twice the size, as menacing the Hulk, starts charging right at you. It'll be a fight-or-flight situation. You'll take stand to defend or you'll make a run for it. In short, you'll be prepared to strike or defend. Even Thor had to do so at a charging Hulk but not Loki ... He provided the best standing posture and a nice window for the Hulk to grab and toss him around like a toy. With IQ as such, the Chitauri(s) were doomed from the start!

In the words of Dr. Nekhorvich: "Every search for a hero must begin with something which every hero requires, a villain"

Unfortunately, if the villain is either lame, stupid or an idiot, in this case, all 3 of it, then, there's really nothing to look forward to, except for the fireworks, which is probably what 99% of the movie patrons were in for.

So, where or what is the 'Midas' touch of Joss Whedon, again? The dry humor? The straightforward plot? The predictable flow?

Tony Stark/Iron Man is not as interesting as he was in [Iron Man]. His signature traits, sarcasm and narcissism, seems to be toned down in this one compare to his 1st Movie, which was done brilliantly then, something which I like and miss a lot. In fact, at times, it wasn't done right in this movie that he was quite irritating. I speak for myself; some of his lines are awfully forced and dry while others were passable. Oh ... and Mark VII, yea, all of a sudden, there's a Mark VII and what is so special about it again? No one knows. Not to mention that by the time it flew out from the closet, you know EXACTLY what sound and scene to expect.

Black Widow provides the punches and kicks, Hawkeye does the aiming and shooting and Nick Fury is all “I dare you, council, I double-dare you!” without the profanity, of course!

Bruce Banner/Hulk is watchable. In fact, he's ... So, Bruce is able to control the Hulk because he's angry all the time and yet, he lost control of the same beast when he was .. err ... angry, in the hovercraft?

Steve Rogers/Captain America is serious all the time. Well, though he's the world's first superhero, there's really nothing much going for him in this movie except to give out the orders and directions. Other than that, he's just a soldier, blast from the past.

I don't have much to say about Thor, probably because his onscreen time didn't leave a lasting impact on me. He was in and out, that's it.

Besides [Thor] and [Iron Man 2], I think the other 3 superheros’ own movie(s), which includes Ang Lee's [Hulk] pawns this overrated one.

Was there any saving grace? Well, the fight scenes at the end, despite nothing new, did entertain me for as long as it last.

The Avenger is average, at best.

This post has been edited by domcobb: May 21 2012, 02:53 AM

IMO, for most part rather than focusing on how great or terriying the villains are, it is more on the assembly of all the heroes into a team.

Each heroes possesed an egoness and not used to work as a team, the process of getting them together and forming the chemistry forms the major plot of the film.

Loki is just fodder for the Avengers' here. I believe the next villain will be the real deal (much like how Batman Begins had not one but two lame duck villains, then came the Joker)

Sir, as The philosopher Joker once said, "Why so serious?"
This is way too much analysis for a summer popcorn movie.
I myself prefer the dark gritty superheroes of Nolan's Batman, but The Avengers and the Marvel's fun superheroes movies that preceded this, met my expectation, was hyped too much maybe but still nice for me.

Some points I'd like to counter though; Loki is a lame villain, I'll agree but the moviemakers want to stay loyal to at least few plots of the comic book origin i.e. Loki was the 1st villain that caused the Avengers to assemble, and not Nick Fury (the co-founder of the Avengers, the Wasp and Ant-Man wasn't even mentioned). The puny god scene is clearly meant to illicit laughter from the mainstream audience, and it works whether you like it or not, coz the movie isn't made for niche elitist audience.

The Mark VII new suit background story was told in the iOS/Android app. The Nick Fury's Big Week comic (8 issues) kinda tell the prologue of the Avengers. In this modern multimedia world, a big studio movie isn't standalone by itself any longer, there'll be other media / spin-offs to complement the story or tell a part that the movie maker thinks is too time consuming to be included in the main movie.

Though I would like to discuss a movie I care about more deeply with frens, I think The Avengers isn't one of them. I watched it, I like it, I feel it's above average, I'll forget about it soon when other greater movie comes out e.g. (finger crossed) TDKR.


Ya, Loki isn't the most powerful villain to face a group of superheroes; truthfully, I didn't read the origin comic; how did Loki fare in the comic .... anyway, looking forward to The Avengers 2 with Thanos & the Infinity Gauntlet story arc.

woot..avengers just pawned transformers in box office..really fast!!

Actually, what was the backstory of the mark vii?

Wow, thanks!!

So the main point was to improve the delivery system? And apparently it had more thrusters in other parts of the body as well.

Actually, the intention for Mark VII, by Whedon, was that he hated the triangle, calling it ARSE.

But its also meant to improve the delivery of the armor and hold more ammo. That's how I think it looks like also.

hmm...thinking about it, it would've been nice to have an extra short movie about Banner included in the dvd/bluray...
a scene about...

Somehow I couldn't help but imagine the scene from Kung Fu Hustle,

So.

All said and done.

They just crossed over the USD1 billion mark.

Memes and virals are still going crazy on the Net.

Babies are being named after Rogers, Stark, Banner, Thor, and surprisingly, Loki.

So what's the deal with AVENGERS 2 then?

I read somewhere that they're gonna swap director, from Whedon to Favreau.

The Avengers Box Art and Release Dates.

Personally prefer the DVD cover since it has everyone on it. But since the 3D BD version has the original movie poster, i'm ok with that.

I sense a rehash for the normal blu ray version though. haih...

I don't know about Favreau.. Coz one of the reasons why he didnt wanna do Iron Man 3 (besides having a schedule clash with the kingdom film thingy) was he wasnt keen on the idea of introducing other worldly characters into the universe. If it is indeed Favreau, let's hope it's not another Iron Man 2

This post has been edited by shai_razi: May 22 2012, 10:57 AM

Iron Man 2 is good.. only a rushing storyline could make it worst and frustrating
they don't need to put much in a movie, i wouldn't recommend a film like that...
to put 4 heroes is enough with 1 villain is hard enough

Well if that's true, i hope Whedon will still involve as a writer at least. That's what he's great at.