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coolguy99
post Aug 21 2018, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(party @ Aug 21 2018, 02:50 AM)
I make that mistake with C but at least still got over 50% increment.  biggrin.gif

Byebye to H soon  bye.gif
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What is C and H?
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post Aug 21 2018, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Aug 21 2018, 08:49 AM)
Eh, I also bye bye wor lol
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When lol.

QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Aug 21 2018, 10:28 AM)
What is C and H?
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Bank name. Lol..
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post Aug 21 2018, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Aug 21 2018, 09:08 AM)
Just asking, how to reject if the headhunter/HR insist on the current salary?
Especially when filling up forms or interview.
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Just tell them you dont feel comfortable to share or that prospective compa y should not care about your old salary.

Though if headhunter i would share. After all once they match you with potential new job they know the new company slary budget and would be able to filter out for u instead of wasting everyone time going into interviu only to end up salary expectation not met due to budget constraint.
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post Aug 22 2018, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(party @ Aug 21 2018, 11:25 PM)
Just tell them you dont feel comfortable to share or that prospective compa y should not care about your old salary.

Though if headhunter i would share. After all once they match you with potential new job they know the new company slary budget and would be able to filter out for u instead of wasting everyone time going into interviu only to end up salary expectation not met due to budget constraint.
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I get that its a risk to share your salary. I too was in that situation. HR informed me that how they will know if I am not lying about my current salary. I could have mentioned a slightly higher pay than what i am getting now in order to bargain for higher salary in the new company.

I told them anyways. But in reality how do we solve in these situation?

Do we state or not? Or maybe state the range and not the exact figures?

This post has been edited by Morales: Aug 22 2018, 09:41 AM
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post Aug 23 2018, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(Morales @ Aug 22 2018, 09:39 AM)
I get that its a risk to share your salary. I too was in that situation. HR informed me that how they will know if I am not lying about my current salary. I could have mentioned a slightly higher pay than what i am getting now in order to bargain for higher salary in the new company.

I told them anyways. But in reality how do we solve in these situation?

Do we state or not? Or maybe state the range and not the exact figures?
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My current company did a very thorough background check on me (employment history for the past 10 years) which I was told to prepare all the contracts offered, payslips, HR contact in those firms etc. I had sleepless nights as I myself couldn't verify all the information provided considering they were dated so long ago!

I think it would be okay to negotiate by saying "i am expecting a raise / a promotion of XX% by end of XX and I would expect the salary offered to be in the same range" however, do it only when you really have something on board and avoid the potential company of using that against you in the future (e.g. performance etc).
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post Aug 23 2018, 05:35 PM

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Job Title : Program Associate
Job Desciption : Lead, manage, & deliver internal projects on a regional scope. (Process improvement, quality, client satisfaction, strategic planning, digitization, etc...)
Age : 28
Years spent in company : 4.5
Company : MNC
Industry : Research
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Senior Executive
Experience before joining (years) : 0
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Business
Location : Selangor
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 45 hours

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM4500
Contractual Bonus (months): N/A at my level
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Yearly merit increment of an average 9%, Quarterly performance token (RM200-4000)

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Medical card expandable to spouse & children, optical, dental, body check-up, vaccination (RM1500). Health & life insurance (RM100,000).
Transport Benefits : Mileage (RM0.7/km)
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : Mobile (RM60), Parking (RM140)
Flexi Working Hours : Flexi hours & location. No clock-in requirerd. Can WFH because my team is scaterred around the region.
Other Benefits : Snatch theft (RM500), gym (RM60), employee EPF 13.25%
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post Aug 23 2018, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(duper @ Aug 23 2018, 05:35 PM)
Job Title : Program Associate
Job Desciption : Lead, manage, & deliver internal projects on a regional scope. (Process improvement, quality, client satisfaction, strategic planning, digitization, etc...)
Age : 28
Years spent in company : 4.5
Company : MNC
Industry : Research
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Senior Executive
Experience before joining (years) : 0
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Business
Location : Selangor
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 45 hours

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM4500
Contractual Bonus (months): N/A at my level
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Yearly merit increment of an average 9%, Quarterly performance token (RM200-4000)

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Medical card expandable to spouse & children, optical, dental, body check-up, vaccination (RM1500). Health & life insurance (RM100,000).
Transport Benefits : Mileage (RM0.7/km)
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : Mobile (RM60), Parking (RM140)
Flexi Working Hours : Flexi hours & location. No clock-in requirerd. Can WFH because my team is scaterred around the region.
Other Benefits : Snatch theft (RM500), gym (RM60), employee EPF 13.25%
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Snatch theft???
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post Aug 24 2018, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(kimtek @ Aug 23 2018, 11:35 PM)
Snatch theft???
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Yep. Insurance for snatch theft
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post Aug 24 2018, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(duper @ Aug 23 2018, 05:35 PM)
Job Title : Program Associate
Job Desciption : Lead, manage, & deliver internal projects on a regional scope. (Process improvement, quality, client satisfaction, strategic planning, digitization, etc...)
Age : 28
Years spent in company : 4.5
Company : MNC
Industry : Research
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Senior Executive
Experience before joining (years) : 0
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Business
Location : Selangor
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 45 hours

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM4500
Contractual Bonus (months): N/A at my level
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Yearly merit increment of an average 9%, Quarterly performance token (RM200-4000)

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Medical card expandable to spouse & children, optical, dental, body check-up, vaccination (RM1500). Health & life insurance (RM100,000).
Transport Benefits : Mileage (RM0.7/km)
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : Mobile (RM60), Parking (RM140)
Flexi Working Hours : Flexi hours & location. No clock-in requirerd. Can WFH because my team is scaterred around the region.
Other Benefits : Snatch theft (RM500), gym (RM60), employee EPF 13.25%
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Good offer.. Wish I could had that sad.gif
coolguy99
post Aug 24 2018, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(duper @ Aug 23 2018, 05:35 PM)
Job Title : Program Associate
Job Desciption : Lead, manage, & deliver internal projects on a regional scope. (Process improvement, quality, client satisfaction, strategic planning, digitization, etc...)
Age : 28
Years spent in company : 4.5
Company : MNC
Industry : Research
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Senior Executive
Experience before joining (years) : 0
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Business
Location : Selangor
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 45 hours

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM4500
Contractual Bonus (months): N/A at my level
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Yearly merit increment of an average 9%, Quarterly performance token (RM200-4000)

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Medical card expandable to spouse & children, optical, dental, body check-up, vaccination (RM1500). Health & life insurance (RM100,000).
Transport Benefits : Mileage (RM0.7/km)
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : Mobile (RM60), Parking (RM140)
Flexi Working Hours : Flexi hours & location. No clock-in requirerd. Can WFH because my team is scaterred around the region.
Other Benefits : Snatch theft (RM500), gym (RM60), employee EPF 13.25%
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Insurance for snatch theft! Only in Malaysia hahaha! Jokes aside, it seemed like your employee benefit is pretty goo. The EPF portion is also pretty good. Mine is only 12%
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post Aug 24 2018, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Aug 24 2018, 09:24 AM)
Good offer.. Wish I could had that sad.gif
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This is my 3rd role actually. I started off doing backend support tasks for projects then went on to lead those projects and just landed myself in this new role.

QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Aug 24 2018, 09:54 AM)
Insurance for snatch theft! Only in Malaysia hahaha! Jokes aside, it seemed like your employee benefit is pretty goo. The EPF portion is also pretty good. Mine is only 12%
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Throughout my tenure I've known of 2 female employees who got to claim it. Sad to say but it comes in handy in those times.
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post Aug 25 2018, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Aug 21 2018, 09:08 AM)
Just asking, how to reject if the headhunter/HR insist on the current salary?
Especially when filling up forms or interview.
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When filling up forms, it depends on my mood, or my perception of the company asking for it.
When asked verbally, my answer would roughly be that I'm not comfortable at discussing current salary because it would lead to unfair comparison of salaries; because what I am interested in is the overall income (income! not salary), which means that I take everything into consideration: accommodation/transport allowance, insurances, and whatever else that can be represented with money. I guess that would make it a good "moment" to start asking what the company has on offer - you know, as a way to make a point out of it. Most of them are not comfortable at revealing the salary range that the job commands.
And anyway, the point of discussion should be what is the desired salary for the position on offer.
I kind of did that when I interviewed for a job in Brunei, years ago. Managed to negotiate my salary and got a 2k increase from the base offer. Unfortunately 2 of my friends did not negotiate and accepted the base offers. Somehow that company offered the same base salary for the same job grade (although each job grade actually comes with its salary band).
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post Aug 25 2018, 08:52 PM

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Previous
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Job Title : Software Engineer
Job Desciption : Develop product and lead the team members
Age : 25
Years spent in company : 8 months
Company : -
Industry : -
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Actually, I don't really know confused.gif
Experience before joining (years) : 3 years
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree
Location : K.L
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40 hours

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM 9500
Contractual Bonus (months): -
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : 2-4 mths

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Medical & Life insurance
Transport Benefits : N/A as I don't travel overseas
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : RM 1000 annually
Flexi Working Hours :
Other Benefits : Close to 30 days of annual leave

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Current
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Job Title : Software Engineer
Job Desciption : Develop product
Age : 26
Years spent in company : 2 months
Company : -
Industry : -
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Actually, I don't really know confused.gif
Experience before joining (years) : 3.8 years
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree
Location : SG
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40 hours

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : SGD 7000
Contractual Bonus (months): -
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Stocks, I heard we might be getting a bonus this year because of the high turnover rate

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Medical insurance
Transport Benefits : N/A as I don't travel overseas
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : SGD 50 for mobile allowance
Flexi Working Hours : Unlimited work from home, need manager approval but that's just for the formality
Other Benefits : 14 days annual leave, very little compared to my previous company bye.gif

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Not really that happy working in Singapore, leaving behind my families and friends in Malaysia and probably getting a bit homesick...
Moreover, I don't really feel empowered and not learning any new things in my current job in SG, thinking of coming back to Malaysia unsure.gif
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post Aug 26 2018, 01:23 PM

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Hi. I am currently a fresh graduate in software engineering field. I will like to pursue my career in the coming two years and wondering if taking a master course (after 2 years of working experience) in computer science (to be exact, data science) in local public university would add any value to my career progression.

I don't think I will stop whatever I am doing and go into the master studies, will still be working while choosing unis that offer the course after working hours (for example UM offers classes from 6 to 9pm at weekdays for master [mixed mode])

Just curious about it because I see most of the members posting here stop after degree and don't continue any further.
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post Aug 26 2018, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(coldbasecamp @ Aug 26 2018, 01:23 PM)
Hi. I am currently a fresh graduate in software engineering field. I will like to pursue my career in the coming two years and wondering if taking a master course (after 2 years of working experience) in computer science (to be exact, data science) in local public university would add any value to my career progression.

I don't think I will stop whatever I am doing and go into the master studies, will still be working while choosing unis that offer the course after working hours (for example UM offers classes from 6 to 9pm at weekdays for master [mixed mode])

Just curious about it because I see most of the members posting here stop after degree and don't continue any further.
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Depends on course. But ur course defi doesnt add value.
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QUOTE(party @ Aug 26 2018, 03:34 PM)
Depends on course. But ur course defi doesnt add value.
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Then what do you think about business courses like MBA or Master in Management?
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QUOTE(ahinigami @ Aug 25 2018, 09:52 PM)
Previous
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Job Title : Software Engineer
Job Desciption : Develop product and lead the team members
Age : 25
Years spent in company : 8 months
Company : -
Industry : -
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Actually, I don't really know confused.gif
Experience before joining (years) : 3 years
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree
Location : K.L
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40 hours

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM 9500
Contractual Bonus (months): -
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : 2-4 mths

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Medical & Life insurance
Transport Benefits : N/A as I don't travel overseas
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : RM 1000 annually
Flexi Working Hours :
Other Benefits : Close to 30 days of annual leave

===========================================

Current
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Job Title : Software Engineer
Job Desciption : Develop product
Age : 26
Years spent in company : 2 months
Company : -
Industry : -
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Actually, I don't really know confused.gif
Experience before joining (years) : 3.8 years
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree
Location : SG
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40 hours

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : SGD 7000
Contractual Bonus (months): -
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Stocks, I heard we might be getting a bonus this year because of the high turnover rate

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Medical insurance
Transport Benefits : N/A as I don't travel overseas
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : SGD 50 for mobile allowance
Flexi Working Hours : Unlimited work from home, need manager approval but that's just for the formality
Other Benefits : 14 days annual leave, very little compared to my previous company bye.gif

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Not really that happy working in Singapore, leaving behind my families and friends in Malaysia and probably getting a bit homesick...
Moreover, I don't really feel empowered and not learning any new things in my current job in SG, thinking of coming back to Malaysia unsure.gif
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Hi, do you mind pm me the first IT company that you spent your first 3 years in ..?
I think it's a good career path.
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post Aug 27 2018, 02:20 PM

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Experience before joining (years) : 1 year
Highest paper qualification/ education background : degree
Location : pj
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Salary : 4100(including allowances)+ot
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post Aug 27 2018, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(party @ Aug 21 2018, 12:43 PM)
When lol.
Bank name. Lol..
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End of Oct. Btw, haven't same time u before le
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post Aug 27 2018, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Aug 27 2018, 06:36 PM)
End of Oct. Btw, haven't same time u before le
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Too late. Last friday my last day biggrin.gif

New Job

Job Title : Assistant Manager (Senior)
Job Desciption : Shared Svc Centre
Age : 31
Years spent in company : 0
Company : Ct
Industry : Financial Services
Tenure : Probation
Employment Level : AMO
Experience before joining (years) : 4 and half years
Highest paper qualification/ education background : master
Location : KL
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 10

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM 7,500.00
For comparison (previous salary: RM 5,100)
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : not sure yet

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : standard
Other Benefits : shift allowance rm 400 - 800. rotating. Standard Citi benefits as well. epf 16% etc

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