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Frank3
post May 9 2019, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(CandyCandy123 @ May 8 2019, 09:16 AM)
Hello. I realized there are many IT seniors here. I worried I choose wrong IT field since I am fresh graduate right now.
Now I'm in internship as a software tester but I found that there are less job opportunities for tester in Malaysia. The salary of tester < developer.  Should I change to Software Engineer or Developer in future? I may stay in current company  as graduate trainee-tester (18 months) after internship. If I accept the offer as GT (salary around 3k), I only can promote after 18 months. Compared to other friends, they might be higher position in other company after I finish my GT life.
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QUOTE(CandyCandy123 @ May 8 2019, 09:40 AM)
So should I change to Software engineer?  My tester friend told me there's higher challenging and pressure for Software engineer compared to tester. I believed higher pressure and challenging = earn more money.  tongue.gif
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Hi Candy, what kind of QA are you doing, there are many kind of test, such as: Manual, Webapp Automation (Selenium), API (SoapUi), Peformance (Loadrunner, JMeter)
Speaking about salary, yes developer literally is higher salary than manual sofware tester, but but but..software automation engineer salary can potentially higher than developer, of course it depend how good you are. (I know a China AI company automation QA can earn 9k SGD per month)
If your current job offering you manual tester job, then please switch to developer or you may look for automation engineer role (but it is very rare for fresh graduate)
PS: I am working in Singapore currently and i found that there is not much automation QA specialist in this market (meaning if you have the right skill sets, you will be hunted by many companies), 95% of them are indian, another 4% is PRC and Filipino...Malaysian and Singaporean is super rare. (correct if i am wrong)

QUOTE(James1983 @ May 8 2019, 09:56 AM)
Actually there is future for tester.
But you need to upskill yourself to do “test automation”, not just create test cases and do manual testing etc.
API calls, integration test etc all can be automated, and companies (even Google/Facebook) needs developers to code those test automations

It can be lucrative career IF you learn the right skill sets
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I fully agree with you James, if will be even better if the person know how to integrate DevOps and build up the entire test automation architecture.

QUOTE(coolguy99 @ May 8 2019, 10:28 AM)
I tried before doing test automation. But the effort doing it is quite huge and it is usually a one off usage thing, unless you create test automation script for regression testing purpose, which is repetitive in nature.

Else I should say manual testing is still the way to go as of today.
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It depend on what kind of testing are you trying to automate, yes one of the best test to automate is regression testing. The goal of automation test is to automate repetitive test.
The effort wise, it depend on what kind of test framework are you building. Some test framework can easily build in one day (i am talking about test framework, not test scripts/case).
Manual testing is still mandatory for usability testing, ad hoc testing, exploratory testing, and functional testing (new function that haven't automated)

QUOTE(coolguy99 @ May 8 2019, 10:31 AM)
Software engineer is more challenging but the work hours may be longer. I would say go for it if you have the correct skill set. Else you can go into the ‘niche’ side of IT (i.e. project manager or business analyst). Such jobs are few and far between so you have to be really good at what you do to excel in this profession.

Note: my apologies for not using multi quote. Am typing the reply in a bus and didn’t realise there are two posts.
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To be honest i found that business analyst is everywhere and it is very competitive (in Singapore), unless you focus on a single/niche industry & business, such as finance, military, casino and etc..
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post May 9 2019, 03:37 PM

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Job Title : Actuarial Manager
Job Description : Insurance valuation
Age : 28
Years spent in company : 2 years
Company : Insurance
Industry : Insurance
Tenure : Permanent hire
Employment Level : Manager
Experience before joining (years) : 3 years
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Fellow
Location : KL
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40-50 hours

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : 14k
Contractual Bonus (months): -
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : 3 months

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post May 9 2019, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Searingmage @ May 5 2019, 10:33 AM)
Based on my knowledge, a qualified manager with about 6 years working experience is about 15k. Since you mention your manager is equals AM, I think it's about there.. With a promotion you'll be able to hit over 15k. Of course, that depends on which company you're joining as well. Some companies (2 of the big 3) can seriously pay very good package from what I heard.
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which 1 don't? curious to know blink.gif
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post May 9 2019, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(basicree @ May 9 2019, 03:37 PM)
Job Title : Actuarial Manager
Job Description : Insurance valuation
Age : 28
Years spent in company : 2 years
Company : Insurance
Industry : Insurance
Tenure : Permanent hire
Employment Level : Manager
Experience before joining (years) : 3 years
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Fellow
Location : KL
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40-50 hours

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : 14k
Contractual Bonus (months): -
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : 3 months
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That's one hell of a pay for someone who has only <5 years experience
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post May 9 2019, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(icebryanchan @ May 7 2019, 10:28 PM)
easily more than 3.5k SGD if you are first class honor
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Nope... My cgpa only 3.52, from mmu
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post May 9 2019, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(James1983 @ May 8 2019, 07:18 AM)
For starting job salary in SG (IT), it depends heavily on which uni you graduate from

Mind sharing which uni you’re from?
The expected range differs greatly
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I'm from MMU Cyberjaya and my CGPA is 3.52. btw, going to graduate in 3 more weeks..😩
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post May 10 2019, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(beng970804 @ May 9 2019, 10:22 PM)
I'm from MMU Cyberjaya and my CGPA is 3.52. btw, going to graduate in 3 more weeks..😩
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I think starting salary of 3k should be achievable. Don’t worry mate
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post May 10 2019, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(basicree @ May 9 2019, 03:50 PM)
which 1 don't? curious to know  blink.gif
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Lol.. Not gonna comment, cause I'm not fully sure if that's the case as well tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Expedition @ May 9 2019, 05:17 PM)
That's one hell of a pay for someone who has only <5 years experience
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He's a qualified actuary and have moved up the ranks pretty well. That's about the market average salary I think..
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post May 10 2019, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(Expedition @ May 9 2019, 05:17 PM)
That's one hell of a pay for someone who has only <5 years experience
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As far as I know it's truly demanding to be a qualified actuary, those qualification papers are literally from hell.

At background, we won't see the hard work and effort they have put in. In my opinion, those pay are well deserved.
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post May 10 2019, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(beng970804 @ May 9 2019, 10:22 PM)
I'm from MMU Cyberjaya and my CGPA is 3.52. btw, going to graduate in 3 more weeks..😩
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I also from MMU Cyberjaya, but i found that UTAR/KTAR graduates also same salary with me last time (MMU study fees are way damn high if compare to TAR, i am still stuck with PTPTN but all my TAR colleagues already one lumsup clean 100% PTPTN) bangwall.gif bangwall.gif bangwall.gif bangwall.gif
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post May 10 2019, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(Searingmage @ May 10 2019, 08:16 AM)
He's a qualified actuary and have moved up the ranks pretty well. That's about the market average salary I think..
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yea it's market average.. i have about 5.5 years already not <5 years lol.
the reality though is that a lot of salary increments are from exams, and for folks like us who are done with exams.. it'll be harder to get the salary jumps after..
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post May 10 2019, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(budang @ May 3 2019, 09:47 AM)
If you're single and don't have any huge commitment, it's not all disadvantage taking up a contract job.

From my experience contract job offers higher increment than a permanent job, and expecting a 40% annual pay hike seems to be the norm.

However, also from my experience, the benefits usually lags, eg: Annual leave, Medical card & other miscellaneous benefits. Typically lower employer EPF contribution too.

So take all into account and see you value which more.
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contract is first one to go, when there is crisis. And, no increment.
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post May 10 2019, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(James1983 @ May 9 2019, 08:46 AM)
Awesome! glad to hear that, I'm sure it will open up many doors for you.
Don't worry smile.gif
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QUOTE(icebryanchan @ May 9 2019, 10:21 AM)
Dont worry, you will definitely get a very good increment to AT LEAST 5k with 5 years + degree owner, which is almost 100% increment for you lol
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yeah good to hear that. very motivating.

thanks a lot guys
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post May 10 2019, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(Searingmage @ May 10 2019, 08:16 AM)
He's a qualified actuary and have moved up the ranks pretty well. That's about the market average salary I think..
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QUOTE(budang @ May 10 2019, 08:53 AM)
As far as I know it's truly demanding to be a qualified actuary, those qualification papers are literally from hell.

At background, we won't see the hard work and effort they have put in. In my opinion, those pay are well deserved.
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Yeah... No doubt on that. Actuarial is never easy to start with heck you need big brains for the job too
Just didn't know it's that high pay sweat.gif
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post May 10 2019, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(basicree @ May 10 2019, 10:11 AM)
yea it's market average.. i have about 5.5 years already not <5 years lol.
the reality though is that a lot of salary increments are from exams, and for folks like us who are done with exams.. it'll be harder to get the salary jumps after..
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Only if I have worked harder during my college years... Haha

Btw are you local graduate?
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post May 10 2019, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(Expedition @ May 10 2019, 11:44 AM)
Only if I have worked harder during my college years... Haha

Btw are you local graduate?
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Me too. Wish I had known about Actuarial Science much earlier. As I really like Math and also Statistics. Now already got family can't commit on taking all those actuarial exams in order to switch career. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post May 10 2019, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(Frank3 @ May 9 2019, 02:06 PM)
Hi Candy, what kind of QA are you doing, there are many kind of test, such as: Manual, Webapp Automation (Selenium), API (SoapUi), Peformance (Loadrunner, JMeter)
Speaking about salary, yes developer literally is higher salary than manual sofware tester, but but but..software automation engineer salary can potentially higher than developer, of course it depend how good you are. (I know a China AI company automation QA can earn 9k SGD per month)
If your current job offering you manual tester job, then please switch to developer or you may look for automation engineer role (but it is very rare for fresh graduate)
PS: I am working in Singapore currently and i found that there is not much automation QA specialist in this market (meaning if you have the right skill sets, you will be hunted by many companies), 95% of them are indian, another 4% is PRC and Filipino...Malaysian and Singaporean is super rare. (correct if i am wrong)
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Hi, I am now involved in automation testing in API project. I'm learning regression run in RIT and my mentor is from India ( very professional guy).
My manager advised me to work hard and learn more in testing which may bring a bright future to me. He said dont bother btw tester and developer.
Now he asked me whether wanna stay after internship or not ( no need back to university after intern). Details as below:

Position: Graduate Trainee
Duration: 18 months
Salary: 3100 (before epf)
**salary will fixed until i complete GT program

Should i stay after intern or find another company?? confused.gif
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want to ask for opinion here
should i sacrifice my permanent job for better pay but contract job


current job -

salary: 4k - GLC - (5% increment/y)
status: permanent, almost impossible to get retrench unless commit crime
benefit: family medical coverage, phone allowance, parking allowance, house loan subsidy
bonus: 0 ~ 3 month
workload: relax
career growth: hard, due to strong political practice & group is losing money

offered job -

salary: 6 ~ 6.5k - MNC, O&G based (1 ~ 8% increment/y)
status: contract - project based, but they say always renew, never end contract (maybe sweet talk)
benefit: family medical coverage, phone allowance, parking allowance
bonus: not sure
workload: probably hectic
career growth: not sure

This post has been edited by WinkyJr: May 11 2019, 06:31 AM
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post May 11 2019, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ May 11 2019, 06:31 AM)
want to ask for opinion here
should i sacrifice my permanent job for better pay but contract job
current job -

salary: 4k - GLC - (5% increment/y)
status: permanent, almost impossible to get retrench unless commit crime
benefit: family medical coverage, phone allowance, parking allowance, house loan subsidy
bonus: 0 ~ 3 month
workload: relax
career growth: hard, due to strong political practice & group is losing money

offered job -

salary: 6 ~ 6.5k - MNC, O&G based (1 ~ 8% increment/y)
status: contract - project based, but they say always renew, never end contract (maybe sweet talk)
benefit: family medical coverage, phone allowance, parking allowance
bonus: not sure
workload: probably hectic
career growth: not sure
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Contract based is a dealbreaker for me. I just can’t stand the lack of job security in this part.


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