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Frank3
post Mar 22 2018, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(sheushen @ Mar 19 2018, 10:53 AM)
But isn't 3k their fresh grad range?
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Yes, but is for their Local graduates.

For foreigners, you need to compete with talent from other countries such as India, China, Myanmar, Philippines, and of course Malaysian.
They will use very expected salary to apply/spam to the job (everyone are desperate to come SG), so if you put higher expected salary than them, you must be unique and have the skills that others dont have.

FYI SG have very high competitive environment, but the good is there are a lot of opportunities.

Tips: Apply SME jobs and it will be less competitors.

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post Jul 19 2018, 10:53 AM

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Job Title : Business Analyst (within company)
Job Desciption : Client Facing (requirement gathering, change request, UAT, project planning, system deployment, incident investigation...etc), internal (SIT, regression testing, defect tracking, report defects to developer..etc )
Age : 28
Years spent in company : 7 months
Company : SME (Business Intelligence product and also IT projects related to BI)
Industry : Computer software
Tenure : Perm
Experience before joining (years) : 3 years as part time project engineer in vendor (bank projects), 3 years 9 months as QA in ship owner company (In-house system, need to travel frequently)
Highest paper qualification/ education background : B. Degree (IT)
Location : Singapore
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40 +-

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : SGD 4500 +
Contractual Bonus (months): 0
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Performance Bonus (1-2), Annual Supplement Wage (1), Project Completion (1 month (pro-rated) split into 3 phases)

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Medical Insurance
Transport Benefits : NA
Flexi Working Hours : Yes, not necessary follow 9-6, sometimes can be 10-6, 10-7...etc

Goal is to climb for project lead/manager role and of course more money as SG is high cost country, current salary is definitely not enough if wish to build family and own flat in here.

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post Jul 19 2018, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(josefin @ Jul 19 2018, 12:48 PM)
u have 13th month bonus ?
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Yes, 13th month and performance bonus.
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post Jul 20 2018, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Jul 19 2018, 09:38 PM)
The 13th month salary and project completion bonus is very nice to have as not many companies give those. I myself am in the same field as yours too. And I have to say you are doing pretty good!
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FYI the project completion bonus is very subjective (only for high contributor/performer for the project that i currently involve), and not for every project. However this is the first project that i am involving in this company. smile.gif
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post Aug 8 2018, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Aug 6 2018, 10:17 PM)
What's the possibility of earning 10k in Kuching? Can IT or engineer achieved it?
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Even Miri can achieve that amount. My previous colleague work as Technical Superintendent (manage vessels/ships) already get 9-10k per month. The head of region can earn 20k ++.
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(flexyx @ Oct 11 2018, 05:50 PM)
Actually I prefer here because of the work experiences and oversea project (been to 8 different countries because of the company project) . Salary is no 2. It maybe weird for some people but I dont care.  flex.gif
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You can look for other jobs which required travel, with more pay. Anyway is up to you if you are happy with the pay, if you are single or have another income source..
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post Oct 16 2018, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(Theastro @ Oct 16 2018, 10:27 PM)
I don't work in mnc, aka slow company, and I have more than 10 offers in my belt. They don't care how much you jump, as long as you impress them with your skills
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I agreed, especially the employer is desperate, they don't care how much you jump or ask for reason for leaving.
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post Nov 2 2018, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(theONE99 @ Oct 31 2018, 02:57 PM)
First job after graduate
2012-2016
Starting salary @ RM2800
Last drawn salary @ RM5500

Second job (Current)
2017- current
Starting salary @ RM7500
Current salary @ RM10000

I would say current I managed IT projects that's are assigned to me, no specific technologies, its depends on the project scope of work.
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May i know what you work as your first job? Software engineer?
Mind to tell us your company size? Big MNC or SME?
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post Nov 8 2018, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(theONE99 @ Nov 2 2018, 03:03 PM)
I worked as IT consultant for my first job. Company size around 100+ employees.
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Both of your first and second job salary increment are very good, most of the employee will not increase their employee's salary proactively with such high incremental unless the counter offer.
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post Nov 10 2018, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(theONE99 @ Nov 9 2018, 06:44 PM)
I would say my first employee are quite generous in giving increment every 6 months, but I can proudly say that I worked hard and deserved it. Always give the extra mile on what I'm doing, take initiative to solve problems for bosses and always look for opportunities to widen my knowledge. I left the job on good terms with the bosses, as I told them I wanted to explore climbing the corporate ladder and see how far can I go.

For my current job, I got a promotion after 18 months at the job, which explains the jump in salary. I would say working in MNC, I would not only needs to deliver my KPI, having high EQ and building good working relationships matters a lot.

Never work just for the monthly salary, work for the experience and career aspirations, money will eventually come.
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thumbup.gif Glad to know your bosses and management appreciated your hard work. Sometimes we work hard, take initiative to learn and solve the problem but management won't appreciate it, especially you are not money making department. For example, IT department in company which never earn their money by technology (indirectly IT did help them in operation but management blindly see this as COST).

I agreed with you that EQ is VERY IMPORTANT especially in MNC. An organization or company is all about people. The more people in a company, the more difficult to control, hence emotional intelligence play a big big part here.

Yes, work for experience, take initiative to learn, don't stay in comfort routine job, and also know your value (90% of management/bosses are reactive, we need to ask for promotion/increment proactively.)
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post Jan 9 2019, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Jan 9 2019, 02:33 PM)
Do you need strong technical background to do this job? I am more towards the functional side and I am wondering if I can make the switch.
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Need to have strong statistical/math background if im not wrong. If technical wise will be data engineer side.
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post Feb 20 2019, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(icebryanchan @ Feb 20 2019, 12:55 AM)
u can definitely get higher than that. 2017 my freshly graduated friends went there with first class honor degree and got 4k SGD already. Forgot what the company name though, some Singtel sub-company.

So yeah, you can get around 5k to 6k with your experience and your interview skill. Good luck.
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Singtel sub-company = NCS (https://www.ncs.com.sg/)


Full stack developer with 3 years + exp can get 4-6k SGD. It will be even better if you know DevOps tools like Jenkins, Dockers...etc
Now most of the IT companies in SG are transforming into automation CI/CD, including government agencies.

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post Feb 22 2019, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(bakapig @ Feb 21 2019, 05:47 PM)
Job Title : Inspection Engineer
Job Desciption : Plan and carry out fixed equipment/piping inspection via on-stream risk-based monitoring programs and downtime inspection activities
Age : 22
Years spent in company : 0
Company : Big Oil
Industry : O&G
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : ?
Experience before joining (years) : 0
Highest paper qualification/ education background : degree
Location : SG
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): don't know yet

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : 4.3k SGD
Contractual Bonus (months): 3
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : -
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I believe it is possible to get 4.3k because the job nature is quite dangerous as he need to fixed the equipment, maybe on offshore RIG. I also believe his job is contract job, hence the basic is high. But 22 years old is really young and he can save a lots of money to build/invest his future if he intend to switch career or settle down.
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post Mar 8 2019, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(Frank3 @ Jul 19 2018, 10:53 AM)
Job Title : Business Analyst (within company)
Job Desciption : Client Facing (requirement gathering, change request, UAT, project planning, system deployment, incident investigation...etc), internal (SIT, regression testing, defect tracking, report defects to developer..etc )
Age : 28
Years spent in company : 7 months
Company : SME (Business Intelligence product and also IT projects related to BI)
Industry : Computer software
Tenure : Perm
Experience before joining (years) : 3 years as part time project engineer in vendor (bank projects), 3 years 9 months as QA in ship owner company (In-house system, need to travel frequently)
Highest paper qualification/ education background : B. Degree (IT)
Location : Singapore
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40 +-

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : SGD 4500 +
Contractual Bonus (months): 0
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Performance Bonus (1-2), Annual Supplement Wage (1), Project Completion (1 month (pro-rated) split into 3 phases)

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Medical Insurance
Transport Benefits : NA
Flexi Working Hours : Yes, not necessary follow 9-6, sometimes can be 10-6, 10-7...etc

Goal is to climb for project lead/manager role and of course more money as SG is high cost country, current salary is definitely not enough if wish to build family and own flat in here.

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Accepted a job offer recently. Looking to switch my career to more technical instead of functional, i found that if you work in IT field, you need to have strong technical background as well.

Job Title : Test Analyst
Job Desciption : Develop test automation framework (functional test) & performance test.
Age : 29
Years spent in company : 0 (haven't join)
Company : A famous company (owned casino)
Industry : Leisure, travel & tourism
Tenure : Contract (2-year contract with possibility of permanent conversion)
Experience before joining (years) : 8 yrs
Highest paper qualification/ education background : B. Degree (IT)
Location : Singapore
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 45 +-

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : SGD 5300
Contractual Bonus (months): 0
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : NA

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Medical Insurance
Transport Benefits : NA
Flexi Working Hours : Yes.

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post Mar 11 2019, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Mar 10 2019, 10:09 AM)
2 years contract? don't you think that this is a risk if things don't work out?
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I just want to gain the experience & exposure in test automation. I should know how bad/good situation over there once i joined them.

Please note that the contract doesn't mean bond -> you cannot resign until contract end.

I still can resign with 1 month notice within the 2 years contract. IMO, 2 years is good enough even though they don't want to renew the contract (provided my performance is bad), otherwise they will renew the contract or offer the permanent conversion because the project there working on is really huge which required more than 2years to complete.
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post Mar 12 2019, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(badguy93 @ Mar 12 2019, 10:00 AM)
Im one of your description here...
Im graduate at 24,,..

Thats why alot people still taking "years of experience" to compare which is bad approach. I know these day younger generation like my generation, always being compared in "years of experience". If you would stand in the middle compare the skill set vs years of experience, who will you prefer?
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I strongly agree your point of view here, some ppl doing the same routine job for 10 years doesn't mean he/she deserve higher salary, provided he/she never upgrade and learn new skills.
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post Mar 12 2019, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(badguy93 @ Mar 12 2019, 10:11 AM)
There are 2 types of people
1. Grow yourself and value
2. Makan gaji
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IT professional cannot survive if he/she is type 2..
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post Mar 12 2019, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(budang @ Mar 12 2019, 01:17 PM)
Sorry to spill the bean but years of experience is the first tangible metric most company will use to measure your exposure, competency and value. Like it or not, it's the most reliable and fool proof metric. I'm not saying I disagree with your point of view but it's a fact that years of experience is widely used by MNCs / SME as a deciding parameter on your overall remuneration.

Unless they put you through numerous complex tests & problems to solve (which most company find it too expensive to execute in terms of time and money) and gauge your competency from there, it's almost impossible for them to rate your skill set by how well you sell yourself or present during interview.

A fresh graduate could have all the technical skills in the world, but without proper real life work experience & corporate exposure, it's difficult to convince employer to pay you a premium.

In conclusion, years of experience is usually the 'entrance ticket' to a premium paying job. If your performance doesn't tally with your years of experience, you'll bid farewell to your increment. But if your skill set exceeds your years of experience, you'll be riding on a strong tailwind to climb the corporate ladder.
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Those MNC/SME should change the hiring mindset if they want to hire talent..

"I'd rather work with a professional and motivated "beginner" than a lazy "expert" who is unwilling to learn or listen to new perspectives."

"20 years of experience does not mean much if you have no understanding. I have known people with many years of experience who could only do something from memory. If a new issue showed up they were lost."

I saw a CEO wrote this in LinkedIn

"Experience is good but should not always be the criteria.

I worked with a fresh graduate with no vast experience in the labour market.

I'd have written him off but thank God I never did.

I chose to work with him because he was hungry and had an eagle eye.

He was also an avid reader and a fast learner.

It took him just six months to solve a major technical problem in our company.

I was blown away.

The problem had cost us a lot of money.

We were already thinking of replacing the machine.

He came on board and showed it's not the number of years every time but how much you are willing to learn.

He changed my mindset to see beyond years and experience.

I felt guilty I had written him off but at the same time, I was happy I gave him a chance.

Give people a chance because we all started with no experience.

Someone saw and believed in us.

Why not do the same."
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post Mar 13 2019, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(budang @ Mar 12 2019, 05:48 PM)
You have a solid point which I agree.

But when I'm hiring a software project manager to manage a large scale project involving integration from multiple channels and platform, I'd still want someone who have experience & managed similar projects before. In this scenario, talent almost have no role to play, but experience and exposure speaks loudly here.

My 2 cents.
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For managerial role scenario especially project manager/director...etc, i agreed with you, experience and exposure speaks loudest!
I also found that, if a manger is younger than the subordinates, the subordinates will not happy and try to create problems & politics issues.

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post May 9 2019, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(CandyCandy123 @ May 8 2019, 09:16 AM)
Hello. I realized there are many IT seniors here. I worried I choose wrong IT field since I am fresh graduate right now.
Now I'm in internship as a software tester but I found that there are less job opportunities for tester in Malaysia. The salary of tester < developer.  Should I change to Software Engineer or Developer in future? I may stay in current company  as graduate trainee-tester (18 months) after internship. If I accept the offer as GT (salary around 3k), I only can promote after 18 months. Compared to other friends, they might be higher position in other company after I finish my GT life.
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QUOTE(CandyCandy123 @ May 8 2019, 09:40 AM)
So should I change to Software engineer?  My tester friend told me there's higher challenging and pressure for Software engineer compared to tester. I believed higher pressure and challenging = earn more money.  tongue.gif
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Hi Candy, what kind of QA are you doing, there are many kind of test, such as: Manual, Webapp Automation (Selenium), API (SoapUi), Peformance (Loadrunner, JMeter)
Speaking about salary, yes developer literally is higher salary than manual sofware tester, but but but..software automation engineer salary can potentially higher than developer, of course it depend how good you are. (I know a China AI company automation QA can earn 9k SGD per month)
If your current job offering you manual tester job, then please switch to developer or you may look for automation engineer role (but it is very rare for fresh graduate)
PS: I am working in Singapore currently and i found that there is not much automation QA specialist in this market (meaning if you have the right skill sets, you will be hunted by many companies), 95% of them are indian, another 4% is PRC and Filipino...Malaysian and Singaporean is super rare. (correct if i am wrong)

QUOTE(James1983 @ May 8 2019, 09:56 AM)
Actually there is future for tester.
But you need to upskill yourself to do “test automation”, not just create test cases and do manual testing etc.
API calls, integration test etc all can be automated, and companies (even Google/Facebook) needs developers to code those test automations

It can be lucrative career IF you learn the right skill sets
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I fully agree with you James, if will be even better if the person know how to integrate DevOps and build up the entire test automation architecture.

QUOTE(coolguy99 @ May 8 2019, 10:28 AM)
I tried before doing test automation. But the effort doing it is quite huge and it is usually a one off usage thing, unless you create test automation script for regression testing purpose, which is repetitive in nature.

Else I should say manual testing is still the way to go as of today.
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It depend on what kind of testing are you trying to automate, yes one of the best test to automate is regression testing. The goal of automation test is to automate repetitive test.
The effort wise, it depend on what kind of test framework are you building. Some test framework can easily build in one day (i am talking about test framework, not test scripts/case).
Manual testing is still mandatory for usability testing, ad hoc testing, exploratory testing, and functional testing (new function that haven't automated)

QUOTE(coolguy99 @ May 8 2019, 10:31 AM)
Software engineer is more challenging but the work hours may be longer. I would say go for it if you have the correct skill set. Else you can go into the ‘niche’ side of IT (i.e. project manager or business analyst). Such jobs are few and far between so you have to be really good at what you do to excel in this profession.

Note: my apologies for not using multi quote. Am typing the reply in a bus and didn’t realise there are two posts.
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To be honest i found that business analyst is everywhere and it is very competitive (in Singapore), unless you focus on a single/niche industry & business, such as finance, military, casino and etc..

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