I dont freaking understand what you saying? LOL

ISO 9001 ?

Those earning 5k here have a very distinctive post from those fakers who "claimed" they are in the bracket. The fact that their posts' are distinguisable from those imposters are making this thread worth reading. But hell, I dont think those in the 5k bracket will stop there. Next will be 10k bracket, 15, 20 and so on. Well, that's human nature to achieve more and more. Nonetheless, the ones' that I am respecting are those who are in the bracket and still stay down to earth with friends, relatives and most importantly family.

Yes, I took the easy way out by having a profit sharing with them. 70/30, me 70 them 30. They are willing to take that as advertising are borne by me. It will be too much cash to fork out if I would have my own messaging server and need staff to do troubleshooting etc.

BTW, I have another business plan. I am looking for potential business partners. If you are intrested, maybe we can meet up and see how we can work out from there. But I would need to start a web first and someone need to help to manage it while I need to do some advertising and get some business in. It will be telecommunication & IT related, hence I think we can work something out.

There will be very little or no $ involved, maybe just a few hundred for web and domain hosting (I'll handle that) .That's how to make money with little or none  IF IT WORKS 
Yeah bro, you are right. Luck only favours the brave and persistent. Key is never to give up and be smart. Every night before I sleep, I thank my lucky stars. I am also a strong believer in feng shui LOL. Never give up trying. I tried so many business before I found the right one. Not to mention thousands I spent did not yield returns. But I never let myself stop until I tell myself I'm going to get that 5 figure before I reach 30! If you tell yourself you wanna drive a BMW b4 you reach 30, you can do it! Motivation is the key.

Sometimes I feel so tired thinking about making money, and I ask myself why don't I just live like a normal person, getting comfy with a normal salary and enjoy my life. I couldn't understand why, I just can't feel secure being a normal comfy person. No, cause I have my goal. I wanna have a 100k cash before i reach 40, and I want to retire before 40 cause I hate working 9-5, and yet I do not make enough to sacrifice my 9-5 job. Thats why I wanna push myself hard before I get married cause the risk is higher.

For those who are young, this is the time to take the risk. Do not leave in regret that you did not have a chance to do it. I don't want to regret, WHY THE F i didn't do it last time. Never look back.

Anyone who is good in web programming maybe can PM me. See if I can share some of my ideas of getting money part time without sacrificing our own work schedule. 

may i ask? project managers in petronas earns how much? can anyone pls let me know?

It is so subjective and in big companies, there's always a salary range. For example, a PM can earn between 8K-10K and it depends on a lot of factors.

What kinda factors?

Years of experience?
Value of projects handled ?

Years of experience is definitely a factor and your current pay is also another one when you jump jobs.

First example - Company A wants to hire a project manager and financially budgeted around RM10K. After interviewing, there are 2 candidates which will be offered - one which is earning RM6K now and the other RM8K.

Although both of them requested for 10K, the HR would not offer a 4K jump for the guy that currently earns 6K (unless we talk about exception cases). That is the reason why there is a range, etc.

Another example - You start working as a junior engineer for RM2K and eventually promoted to senior engineer. You get a reasonable promotion increment, let's say 10%-15% and yearly increment is approximately 5%-7%. After 5 years of working, you're promoted to Project Manager. Unfortunately, they won't give you a 4K increase and make you level up with the newly hired PM's earning 10K / month.

Generally, this is what which normally happens. Nevertheless, there are always exception in all cases

With regards to your 2nd example, this person after 5 years will only be earning around 3K though he has been promoted to Project Manager.

Compared to the newly hired Project Manager, there's a 6-7K difference in pay? Wow! 

With regards to your 2nd example, this person after 5 years will only be earning around 3K though he has been promoted to Project Manager.

Compared to the newly hired Project Manager, there's a 6-7K difference in pay? Wow! 

work at oil & gas industry. work 2 weeks, off 2 weeks earns more than RM6k per month.

or maybe pilot a rov, can earn US$400-600 PER DAY!

Unfortunately, that's the case but of course the gap wouldn't be 6-7K but maybe they'll pay you 5K-6K where new hires are 10K

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Added on October 12, 2007, 5:08 pm



The concern for such jobs is no longer about the money but worklife balance.
If one can sacrifice that then no problems for sure

can i know for salary 4.5k, monthly pcb is roughly how much?

if work 2 month and leave ,do i need collect BE form from my ex company??or jst declare as it will do?