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post Apr 30 2022, 12:29 PM

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Edit: After installing the Google TV Launcher, now my Nvidia Shield TV Pro default launcher is working as it suppose also. 😅😅😅
It looks much nicer, I prefer this over the CCwGTV one. 😊

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Success install Google TV New Home Launcher for Nvidia Shield TV Pro. 😅
Instruction: https://tech-latest.com/install-google-tv-l...any-android-tv/
** Do not install the Google App for Android TV as this will break the Nvidia Shield Google Assistant. Lucky it can revert back to stock and now voila my Google Assistant is working back.

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My short summary of differences in between Nvidia Shield TV Pro (2019 edition) v/s Chromecast with Google TV v/s Apple TV 4K (2021 edition)

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post Apr 30 2022, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 30 2022, 04:06 PM)
My short summary of differences in between Nvidia Shield TV Pro (2019 edition) v/s Chromecast with Google TV v/s Apple TV 4K (2021 edition)

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Just to clarify on Dolby Vision Profile 7, there are two category:
1. P7 Dual Track/Dual Layer - Shield TV '19 will playback the file but in HDR10.
2. P7 Single Track/Dual Layer - Shield TV '19 will playback the file but it will ignore FEL data. In this case the TV will show DV tag and the output is similar to DV Profile 5 but better.

So in short, Shield TV '19 do not actually support and output real DV Profile 7.
Based on what i have read, you'll only notice the differences if you have seen real DV P7 output.

There are more info on this matter involving Shield TV but I strongly advise not to do more research on this..😅

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ Apr 30 2022, 05:51 PM)
Just to clarify on Dolby Vision Profile 7, there are two category:
1. P7 Dual Track/Dual Layer - Shield TV '19 will playback the file but in HDR10.
2. P7 Single Track/Dual Layer - Shield TV '19 will playback the file but it will ignore FEL data. In this case the TV will show DV tag and the output is similar to DV Profile 5 but better.

So in short, Shield TV '19 do not actually support and output real DV Profile 7.
Based on what i have read, you'll only notice the differences if you have seen real DV P7 output. 

There are more info on this matter involving Shield TV but I strongly advise not to do more research on this..😅
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This is similar as what plex in Apple TV do. Better than don't have and DV tuning always do better. I only have single track version not the dual track version. 😅 but Apple TV Plex is problematic and infuse dev prefer remove the support...

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post May 1 2022, 09:21 AM

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Nvidia Shield TV Pro Short review final part. Continue from my previous review add-on.
  • New Interface - It did brilliantly, much better than CCwGTV, the reason it look much vibrant icon and sharp, not over spacing and not over discover waste space. Also they is a one page scroll view of apps.
  • Remote Control - It do look something unusual but I love it! It is so easier to hold, just nice in size. The little button background light make it easier to see in any lighting environment. The light just nice, not too dull and not too bright.
  • Performance - Finally something is very smooth in Android / Google TV Box. No issue for streaming and I found it seems very strong grab the signal strength, during benchmark it can go up to 400Mbps which very closed to my 500Mbps package. Beside my new PC can reach 550Mbps, they is device I own manage to reach that high.
  • Video & Audio quality - Freaking awesome! Nothing to complain at all.

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ Apr 30 2022, 05:51 PM)
Just to clarify on Dolby Vision Profile 7, there are two category:
1. P7 Dual Track/Dual Layer - Shield TV '19 will playback the file but in HDR10.
2. P7 Single Track/Dual Layer - Shield TV '19 will playback the file but it will ignore FEL data. In this case the TV will show DV tag and the output is similar to DV Profile 5 but better.

So in short, Shield TV '19 do not actually support and output real DV Profile 7.
Based on what i have read, you'll only notice the differences if you have seen real DV P7 output. 

There are more info on this matter involving Shield TV but I strongly advise not to do more research on this..😅
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Are u talking about Plex or Kodi?

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post May 1 2022, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(fentanyl @ May 1 2022, 09:42 AM)
Are u talking about Plex or Kodi?
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I'm referring to Shield TV '19 hardware support tor DV.
Even if the media app support full DV playback it will still depends on the real hardware capabilities to process the data for output.

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post May 1 2022, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ May 1 2022, 01:00 PM)
I'm referring to Shield TV '19 hardware support tor DV.
Even if the media app support full DV playback it will still depends on the real hardware capabilities to process the data for output.
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Would it be possible it already get hacked and can decode by software now, as those hybrid version do have differences in DV version and look much better.

DV to me is just a metadata by human make, anything human make can be break and obvious it is already break for easier change format and inject into the video source.

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post May 2 2022, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ May 1 2022, 03:39 PM)
Would it be possible it already get hacked and can decode by software now, as those hybrid version do have differences in DV version and look much better.

DV to me is just a metadata by human make, anything human make can be break and obvious it is already break for easier change format and inject into the video source.
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I don't think so from what i understood for full DV P7 playback, the device need to support dual decoder which is something that Amlogic SoC can do.

Even if it has been 'hacked' they still need the app to read the new method/format. All the existing apps are based on standard SDK that only 'read' format that is provided by Dolby.

There is another method to improve dual layer processing with TV-led(if the TV support). Shield TV support both Player-led and TV-led mode but it is choosen automatically based on EDID. According to NVIDIA, there's no plan to add option to manually select the mode at this time.

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ May 2 2022, 03:10 PM)
I don't think so from what i understood for full DV P7 playback, the device need to support dual decoder which is something that Amlogic SoC can do.

Even if it has been 'hacked' they still need the app to read the new method/format. All the existing apps are based on standard SDK that only 'read' format that is provided by Dolby.

There is another method to improve dual layer processing with TV-led(if the TV support). Shield TV support both Player-led and TV-led mode but it is choosen automatically based on EDID. According to NVIDIA, there's no plan to add option to manually select the mode at this time.
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I not so sure on that, but I only know recently those hybrid is all single layer in profile 7 or 8.

Some what they do is inject the DV layer from stream version to physical REMUX version but they are not profile 5 but 7 or 8 in single layer based on the media info and also when open using mkv toolnix and they are different than those dual layer physical format and also I think not support from all TV box as dual layer is not for TV box and I think no manufacturer can put support on it as this will violate the DV term.

Those new hybrid single layer do detect as DV and it do look much better contrast and very eye striking on light part and also look much much better. I assume it do work in this case. 😅

Some even provide the layer only for you to insert yourself, I try a bit but give up as too command base and troublesome. 😅

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ May 2 2022, 03:56 PM)
I not so sure on that,  but I only know recently those hybrid is all single layer in profile 7 or 8.

Some what they do is inject the DV layer from stream version to physical REMUX version but they are not profile 5 but 7 or 8 in single layer based on the media info and also when open using mkv toolnix and they are different than those dual layer physical format and also I think not support from all TV box as dual layer is not for TV box and I think no manufacturer can put support on it as this will violate the DV term.

Those new hybrid single layer do detect as DV and it do look much better contrast and very eye striking on light part and also look much much better. I assume it do work in this case. 😅

Some even provide the layer only for you to insert yourself, I try a bit but give up as too command base and troublesome. 😅
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Can you point to me where is this hybrid single layer profile 7 documentation. I can't find it.


TV will show DV tag whenever there is media which contain DV data but TV won't/can't provide specific information on what type of data available on the media file.

The FEL contain the real DV information which only BD player, Amlogic SoC and iinm some TV able to process and output because the device need to able to decode both media and data at the same time.

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ May 2 2022, 06:20 PM)
Can you point to me where is this hybrid single layer profile 7 documentation. I can't find it.
TV will show DV tag whenever there is media which contain DV data but TV won't/can't provide specific information on what type of data available on the media file.

The FEL contain the real DV information which only BD player, Amlogic SoC and iinm some TV able to process and output because the device need to able to decode both media and data at the same time.
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Show you next week as I at home town now, no PC access the media. 😅
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Just realized that Plex still has issues with seamless branching titles. Usually these are movies with 2 discs (LotR trilogy for example) or movies where the UHD and FHD versions are on the same disc (i.e Fast 9, The Martian). Movies like these will have its audio go out of sync when the branching occurs (jumping from disc 1 to disc 2 eventhough it is a single media file).

Kinda silly that this hasn't been fixed for years.

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ May 2 2022, 06:20 PM)
Can you point to me where is this hybrid single layer profile 7 documentation. I can't find it.
TV will show DV tag whenever there is media which contain DV data but TV won't/can't provide specific information on what type of data available on the media file.

The FEL contain the real DV information which only BD player, Amlogic SoC and iinm some TV able to process and output because the device need to able to decode both media and data at the same time.
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This is the example of Hybrid I mean, the following screenshot show the information detected by Plex for Windows. So far it working fine in all my Plex for TV Box and detected as DV in my LG OLED TV.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ May 8 2022, 04:17 PM)
This is the example of Hybrid I mean, the following screenshot show the information detected by Plex for Windows. So far it working fine in all my Plex for TV Box and detected as DV in my LG OLED TV.

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Ya i found some topic related to this 'hybrid'.
After reading it, the purpose is to:
1. Apply DV from web-dl source on to movies/shows that was released on Blu-ray disc without DV
2. Convert/create new Profile 8.1(HDR10 fallback) from DV Profile 7 so it can be played on both DV or non-DV display.


Based on your screenshot:
1. DV Profile 8.1(BL+RPU) - has DV and HDR10 but it is single layer without FEL.
2. DV Profile 7(BL+EL(FEL)+RPU) - dual layer but Shield TV will ignore EL layer during playback and TV will still trigger DV flag.

Afaik, there is no DV Profile 7 Single Layer exist officially or unofficially and there is no way to force Shield TV to output/process FEL.
When the DV Profile 7 is converted to single layer it is either become Profile 5 or Profile 8.1/8.2.

Here is officially DV profile. Refer the BL:EL section, the 'N/A' means the profile is single layer and has no EL layer.
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*There's another DV Profile 10 for AV1 codec and it is single layer.

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ May 8 2022, 06:27 PM)
Ya i found some topic related to this 'hybrid'.
After reading it, the purpose is to:
1. Apply DV from web-dl source on to movies/shows that was released on Blu-ray disc without DV
2. Convert/create new Profile 8.1(HDR10 fallback) from DV Profile 7 so it can be played on both DV or non-DV display.
Based on your screenshot:
1. DV Profile 8.1(BL+RPU) - has DV and HDR10 but it is single layer without FEL.
2. DV Profile 7(BL+EL(FEL)+RPU) - dual layer but Shield TV will ignore EL layer during playback and TV will still trigger DV flag.

Afaik, there is no DV Profile 7 Single Layer exist officially or unofficially and there is no way to force Shield TV to output/process FEL.
When the DV Profile 7 is converted to single layer it is either become Profile 5 or Profile 8.1/8.2.

Here is officially DV profile. Refer the BL:EL section, the 'N/A' means the profile is single layer and has no EL layer.
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*There's another DV Profile 10 for AV1 codec and it is single layer.
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Thanks for this comprehensive information. Appreciate. 😊

Ya that is what they do now for Hybrid and it look awesome. 🫠🥰

For AV1, I only found some demo and seems no one is using it yet. Is Nvidia Shield Pro 2019 support hardware code for AV1?
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ May 8 2022, 06:48 PM)
Thanks for this comprehensive information. Appreciate. 😊

Ya that is what they do now for Hybrid and it look awesome. 🫠🥰

For AV1, I only found some demo and seems no one is using it yet. Is Nvidia Shield Pro 2019 support hardware code for AV1?
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No.
Both VP9.2 and AV1 was released after Tegra X1 was built.
The next Shield TV or future retail Android TV device will need to support AV1 for Google certification.

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i was looking and testing few ads free and premium apk to replace the stock youtube which unwatchable already with so many annoying ads all over the video. People recommended vanced but that not really work on the shield (the navigation is clusterfuck) and you cant even add on the menu.

until i found SmartTubeNext https://smartyoutubetv.github.io/

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Flawless, it not just work but show itself with recommended on homescreen reel, and you could activate your personal google account and all your favorite channels will be there. it's like the stock with "youtube.com/activate" with code on the screen

Try it and disable that stupid ads infested stock youtube apps.



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Well I still using their old Smart YouTube TV apk despite installed this new version.

QUOTE(sonypshomer @ Jun 3 2022, 10:34 AM)
i was looking and testing few ads free and premium apk to replace the stock youtube which unwatchable already with so many annoying ads all over the video. People recommended vanced but that not really work on the shield (the navigation is clusterfuck) and you cant even add on the menu.

until i found SmartTubeNext https://smartyoutubetv.github.io/

Flawless, it not just work but show itself with recommended on homescreen reel, and you could activate your personal google account and all your favorite channels will be there. it's like the stock with "youtube.com/activate" with code on the screen

Try it and disable that stupid ads infested stock youtube apps.
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