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post Apr 30 2007, 12:12 PM

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Unlimited. You seem to be a tad too technical and you pay attention to very minute details which may not contribute much to the grand scheme to things. Pay more attention to the basics, less supplementation and replace it with more real food. Up your protein intake.

As for the chest/shoulder/tri (push), back/bi then legs or chest/bi and back/tri, etc. It's all a matter of personal preference. Some might argue that the former split gives you more recovery time and the latter split lets you utilize more poundages so you can work those muscles to their fullest potential. I say to each his own, whatever works for you.

The split Terry got me on currently is Monday- Chest and Arms, Wednesday - Leg and Calf (raping session) day and Friday Back and shoulders but i had to make a modification shifting tris together with back and shoulders because my tris are pretty fried by the time i'm done with all the pressing movements for chest and i feel like i can't work my tris with sufficient intensity to stimulate growth.
Again to each his own because it depends on your goals, the volume of your workouts and the intensity, etc. There're too many factors to give a definite answer.

All of these guys, including me are just helping you list out your options, at the end of the day, you need to do what suits you. My 0.02.
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post Apr 30 2007, 03:04 PM

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hey darklight79:


Yeah. Pardon me about my details as I'm pretty much just a beginner in bodybuilding. I tend to devise my routine & diet plan based on what I've read from the internet as I don't have much credible information from the big guy in my gym. As they were on steroids and their advice seems to be illogical to me.

I got it. That's why I'm really glad that you guys would share your view in our quest to be BIG, real BIG brows.gif

Hmm, I will stick with this amount of protein consumption first until i reach my plateau. I'm aiming for 1g per lb for workout day.

As for non-workout day, I will up the protein consumption once growth ceased.

Anyway this is my stats as of today (1st week Bulking):

Arms: R 14.1inch L 14.05inch (Last week: R & L: 13.9 inch) PUNY ARMS ALERT!
DAMN IT! vmad.gif

Waist : 30.5 inch (Last week: 30.5 inch)

Body fat: Lazy to measure (will take Waistline as reference point for body fat)

Chest:(Lazy , will take arms measurement as reference point for growth )

Weight: 73 kg (Last week : 72-72.5 kg)

Again, thanks for sharing!

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post Apr 30 2007, 03:13 PM

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yeah, 1g protein per pound of BW is fine when bulking.

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post Apr 30 2007, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(King83 @ Apr 30 2007, 03:13 PM)
yeah, 1g protein per pound of BW is fine when bulking.
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Hey King83!

Just wondering.

How many grams of protein you consume for NON-workout day? 1 g per pound of BW also?
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post Apr 30 2007, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(Unlimited @ Apr 30 2007, 03:04 PM)
hey darklight79:
Yeah. Pardon me about my details as I'm pretty much just a beginner in bodybuilding. I tend to devise my routine & diet plan based on what I've read from the internet as I don't have much credible information from the big guy in my gym. As they were on steroids and their advice seems to be illogical to me.

I got it.  That's why I'm really glad that you guys would share your view  in our quest to be BIG, real BIG  brows.gif

Hmm, I will stick with this amount of protein consumption first until i reach my plateau. I'm aiming for 1g per lb for workout day.

As for non-workout day, I will up the protein consumption once growth ceased.

Anyway this is my stats as of today (1st week Bulking):

Arms: R 14.1inch L 14.05inch (Last week: R & L: 13.9 inch) PUNY ARMS ALERT!
DAMN IT! vmad.gif

Waist : 30.5 inch (Last week: 30.5 inch)

Body fat: Lazy to measure (will take Waistline as reference point for body fat)

Chest:(Lazy , will take arms measurement as reference point for growth )

Weight: 73 kg (Last week : 72-72.5 kg)

Again, thanks for sharing!

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More protein. Aim for 1.5g/lb bw on workout days. Aim for 1g/lb bw on non workout days.

Btw, what's your bodypart split now?

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post Apr 30 2007, 08:09 PM

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Yo unlimited, just wondering, how much do you spend on yer supps and food diet?
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post Apr 30 2007, 08:49 PM

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Hey Darklight79:

Yeap. I certainly will if I can afford.

But as for now, I will increase my protein consumption only after my growth ceased. Hehe.

My budget is not UNLIMITED k .... I'm just another poor student here. cry.gif

I'm doing Chest & Biceps = Tuesday

Shoulders & Legs = Thursday

Back & Triceps = Friday


Hey Neek:

Hmm, If not mistaken , it's about Rm 250 for Whey + Real Gains + Kre-Alkalyn per month. (This figure was computed when I was 76 kg , training 5 days per week)

As for foods, I don't really count.

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post Apr 30 2007, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(Unlimited @ Apr 30 2007, 08:49 PM)
Hey Darklight79:

Yeap. I certainly will if I can afford.

But as for now, I will increase my protein consumption only after my growth ceased. Hehe.

My budget is not UNLIMITED k ....  I'm just another poor student here.  cry.gif 

I'm doing Chest & Biceps = Tuesday

              Shoulders & Legs = Thursday

              Back & Triceps = Friday
Hey Neek:

Hmm, If not mistaken , it's about Rm 250 for Whey + Real Gains + Kre-Alkalyn per month.  (This figure was computed when I was 76 kg , training 5 days per week)

As for foods, I don't really count.
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A can of tuna is at most RM3.50. You spend too much on supplements.

I spend less than RM70 a month on supplement and I don't see how my growth is limited by it.

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post Apr 30 2007, 09:11 PM

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Aiks. I WANT! I WANT! But how?

How many cans of tuna are you consuming per month?

How about milk?

Perhaps, you are spending more on natural foods than supps.

As for me, I'm just having 3-4 box of Marigold Low Fat Milk (1 box : Rm 3) and 1 can of Tuna (Rm 3.5) + 16 eggs (Rm4.80) per week.

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post Apr 30 2007, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(musclemass @ Apr 30 2007, 08:59 PM)
A can of tuna is at most RM3.50. You spend too much on supplements.

I spend less than RM70 a month on supplement and I don't see how my growth is limited by it.
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I like this post. Ditto for me, i spend maybe just a tad more than you. Unlimited, you are seriously using too much money on supplements. Lol. They aren't magic. Nothing gets the job done like real food.
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post Apr 30 2007, 09:43 PM

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All right. I will list down all the foods I consumed per WEEK.

1 week:

3.5 box of Marigold Low Fat Milk (Rm 3 / box) = Rm 10.50

1 can of Tuna (Rm 3.5 / can ) = Rm 3.5

2/6 of Ayam Brands Sardines (Rm 5 / can) = 1.67

1/2 of Daisy Peanut Butter (Rm 7) = Rm 3.5

28 pcs of Jacobs Low Salt High Fibre ( Rm0.125 /pc) = Rm 3.5

16 eggs (Rm 0.267 / egg) = Rm 4.3


Total on Natural Food : Rm 26.97 = Rm 27 per week , Rm 108 Per Month.

Yeah, you guys don't spend much on supps , but A LOT on natural food to get the amount of protein required, I supposed.

Is it possible for you guys to list down the foods consumed per week? or per day?

If possible , I want to cut down the cost on my supps too.

I prefer to have a FAT bank account with two big guns at the same time. He he.

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post Apr 30 2007, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(Unlimited @ Apr 28 2007, 12:19 PM)
My Typical Diet Plan for Bulking (Current Weight : 73 kg)

Breakfast:

1 Serving of Instant Oatmeal (5 Spoons) + 1 Serving of Vico (2 Spoons) + 0.5 Scoop of Real Gains + 0.5 Scoop of ON Whey + 200ml (Marigold Low Fat Milk) + 1 Capsule of Kre-Alkalyn + 1 Tablet of Pharmaton Multivitamins + 1 Tablet of Blackmores Ginkgo Biloba + 0.5 Serving of Lechitin

Total Calories: 523

Total Protein: 36.3 G
Lunch
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1 Full Serving of Rice + Steamed Chicken Breast

Total Calories: 476 (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)

Total Protein: 20.2 G (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)
Power Meal (2hrs before Workout)   biggrin.gif

4 pcs of Jacobs Low Salt High Fibre + 1 Serving of Peanut Butter (Daisy = 2 Spoons) + 1 Scoop of Real Gains + 200 ml (Marigold Low Fat Milk) + 1 Cup of Boh Green Tea (No Sugar)

Total Calories: 663 Calories

Total Protein: 33.4 G
Pre workout Supplementation (30-40 minutes Before Workout)

1 Capsule of Kre-Alkalyn + 1 Tablet of Universal Super Cuts
Post Workout Shake (Immediately after workout)

1 Spoon of Glucolin + 1.25 Scoops of ON Whey

Total Calories : 315

Total Protein: 30 G
Dinner (1-2 hrs after Post Workout Shake)

Rice + Steamed Chicken Breast + Vegetable + 1 Capsule of MAN Vaporize

Total Calories: 476 (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)

Total Protein: 20.2 G (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)
Post Dinner Meal (2 hrs after Dinner)

1 pc of Jacobs Low Salt High Fibre + 0.5 Servings of Peanut Butter (Daisy = 1 Spoon)

Total Calories: 147.33

Total Protein: 4.6 G
Pre Bedtime Shake( 1 hr after Post Dinner Meal)

0.5 Scoop of Real Gains + 0.5 Scoop of ON Casein + 0.5 Serving of Lechitin + 200 ml (Marigold Low Fat Milk)

Total Calories: 260

Total Protein :  27 G
Total Calories Consumed Per Day (Workout Day) : 2860.33

Total Protein Consumed Per Day (Workout Day) : 171.7 G
NON Workout Day:
Breakfast Same with Workout Day

Total Calories: 523

Total Protein: 36.3 G

Note: Just without Kre-Alkalyn
Lunch:

100 Grams of Pasta (San Remo) + 1 Serving of Spicy Sardines Canned (Ayam Brands = 1 whole sardine) + 1 Serving TC Boys Chili Tuna with Chili Padi ( 1 can = 4 Servings)

Total Calories: 588 Calories

Total Protein: 29.4 G
Mid Day Snack

1 Serving of Jacobs Low Salt High Fibre (3pcs) + 0.5 Serving of Peanut Butter (Daisy = 1 Spoon) + 2 White Eggs ( 1 whole egg + 1 white only)

Total Calories: 314

Total Protein: 15.8
Dinner

Rice + Steamed Chicken Breast + Vegetable + 1 Capsule of MAN Vaporize

Total Calories: 476 (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)

Total Protein: 20.2 G (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)
Post Dinner Meal:

1 pc of Jacobs Low Salt High Fibre + 0.5 Serving of Peanut Butter (Daisy = 1 Spoon) + 2 White Eggs ( 1 whole egg + 1 white only)

Total Calories: 227.3

Total Protein: 14.6
Pre Bedtime Shake( 1 hr after Post Dinner Meal)

0.5 Scoop of Real Gains + 0.5 Scoop of ON Casein + 0.5 Serving of Lechitin + 200 ml (Marigold Low Fat Milk)

Total Calories: 260

Total Protein :  27 G
Total Calories Consumed Per Day (NON Workout Day) : 2388.33

Total Protein Consumed Per Day (NON Workout Day) : 143.3 G
Do let me know if there's any comment or suggestion with my diet plan.

Thanks!  smile.gif
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See those things i bolded? Creatine is fine, but WHY must you use capsule form? It's so much more expensive.

Wtf? Real Gains? Food gives you real gains, not crap like that.

Lecithin?Bah!

Universal Super Cuts preworkout? And you're on a bulking diet? I don't care if you say it's for an energy booster, there are a lot more cheaper ways to boost energy.

ON Casein, lol. You say you're a poor student, and you're using ON Casein which is bloody expensive when i can emulate the same effect with milk and whey or what musclemass does, milk and cheese prebedtime.

Do you see how much precious cash you're blowing away?
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post Apr 30 2007, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Unlimited @ Apr 30 2007, 09:43 PM)
All right. I will list all the foods I consumed per month.

1 week:

3.5 box of Marigold Low Fat Milk (Rm 3 / box) = Rm 10.50

1 can of Tuna (Rm 3.5 / can ) = Rm 3.5

2/6 of Ayam Brands Sardines (Rm 5 / can) = 1.67

1/2 of Daisy Peanut Butter (Rm 7) = Rm 3.5

28 pcs of Jacobs Low Salt High Fibre ( Rm0.125 /pc)  = Rm 3.5

16 eggs (Rm 0.267 / egg) = Rm 4.3
Total on Natural Food : Rm 26.97 = Rm 27 per week , Rm 108 Per Month.
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You are really over doing it dude. You actually count the cost down to pieces doh.gif
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Hhahahahahah! All right. I must admit , I'm a detail FREAK! tongue.gif

Hmm, Aiks? Expensive? U must be joking man.

I'm taking Scifit Kre-Alkalyn (240 Capsules)= Rm 105.

1 capsule: Rm 0.44 .

If yours can beat that , and it's in Kre-Alkalyn form , then I will definitely switch to yours.

Real Gains Crap? Don't think so. It's a bit expensive , but well worth it for me. Cause, it's hard for me to find natural foods that are high in calories, Carb (moderate GI)& protein here. And of course, convenient.

Lechitin. That's just me. Hehe . This is not for body building. (We shall leave this out)

Okie. For Super Cuts , it's just leftover from my cutting phase. I have to agree with you. This is surplus to my requirement. I don't need it. I will stop consuming them. H ehe. I will drink more BOH Green Tea! Hehe.

Okie. About ON Casein, I have to agree with you. It's bloody expensive.
But I thought the extras are justified with the BCAA's bundled in it. And yeah, it's low in calories. (I bought it for my cutting phase) I'm consuming the leftover now.

This will be my last tub if there's a better option out there.

And yeah , I have to admit...................

I'M DESPERATE!!!!!!! tongue.gif (Just look at my STATS)

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QUOTE(Unlimited @ Apr 30 2007, 10:21 PM)
Hhahahahahah! All right. I must admit , I'm a detail FREAK!  tongue.gif

Hmm, Aiks? Expensive? U must be joking man.

I'm taking Scifit Kre-Alkalyn (240 Capsules)= Rm 105.

1 capsule: Rm 0.44 .

If yours can beat that , and it's in Kre-Alkalyn form , then I will definitely switch to yours.

Real Gains Crap? Don't think so. It's a bit expensive , but well worth it for me. Cause, it's hard for me to find natural foods that are high in calories, Carb (moderate GI)&  protein here. And of course, convenient.

Lechitin. That's just me. Hehe . This is not for body building. (We shall leave this out)

Okie. For Super Cuts , it's just leftover from my cutting phase. I have to agree with you. This is surplus to my requirement. I don't need it. I will stop consuming them. H  ehe. I will drink more BOH Green Tea! Hehe.

Okie. About ON Casein, I have to agree with you. It's bloody expensive.
But I thought the extras are justified with the BCAA's bundled in it. And yeah, it's low in calories. (I bought it for my cutting phase) I'm consuming the leftover now.

This will be my last tub if there's a better option out there.

And yeah , I have to admit...................

I'M DESPERATE!!!!!!!  tongue.gif (Just look at my STATS)
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I will still tell you that Real Gains are crap, that you will be better off using the money on something else. Do not be like those stubborn young teens on bb.com who keep persisting in thinking that supplements are the absolute magical tool as a means to getting big.
There're many people i know who've gotten huge and strong with just basic supplementation, whey. But you don't even have your basic nutrition right and you're into all sorts of funky supplements.
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I will still tell you that Real Gains are crap, that you will be better off using the money on something else. Do not be like those stubborn young teens on bb.com who keep persisting in thinking that supplements are the absolute magical tool as a means to getting big.
There're many people i know who've gotten huge and strong with just basic supplementation, whey. But you don't even have your basic nutrition right and you're into all sorts of funky supplements.
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Amen...
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post May 1 2007, 12:23 AM

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Hey Darklight79 and Musclemass:

I got your points. I don't take them as magic supps k. laugh.gif

I take them because of their nutritional value and of course for convenience sake. Nothing else.

I will substitute Real Gains with natural foods, if I can find one. And the other problem is that , I don't have the time to cook here.

And yeah, mind sharing a list of your must have Natural foods for your bulking phase?

I will try them out if it fits me.

Darklight79: Btw, How many kgs did you gain per month when you were on dirty bulk?

Musclemass: How about you? How many kgs per month when you were bulking?

I'm trying to push the limits of my clean bulk. Perhaps 3 kg per month.

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Wow, you even beat our resident pill-pooper cum supplements freak Syd G!
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QUOTE(Unlimited @ May 1 2007, 12:23 AM)
Hey Darklight79 and Musclemass:

I got your points. I don't take them as magic supps k.  laugh.gif

I take them because of their nutritional value and of course for convenience sake. Nothing else. 

I will substitute Real Gains with natural foods, if I can find one. And the other problem is that , I don't have the time to cook here.

And yeah, mind sharing a list of your must have Natural foods for your bulking phase?

I will try them out if it fits me.

Darklight79: Btw, How many kgs did you gain per month when you were on dirty bulk?

Musclemass: How about you? How many kgs per month when you were bulking?

I'm trying to push the limits of my clean bulk. Perhaps 3 kg per month.
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there's a limit how many kg of muscles u can put on a year man. and its a lot less than 3kg per month
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there's a limit how many kg of muscles u can put on a year man. and its a lot less than 3kg per month
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