I'm starting to feel your nickname is actually a representation of the amount you spend on supplements

why don't you skip all the beautiful sounding supplements, and instead spend your money on these few less technical and gritty sounding foods?

In a week:

7 cans of tuna in water/salt water
7 packs of HL milk
3 whole chicken (1 day, take the breast, the next take the thighs, split it up)
2KG's of Beef (actually i simply put a number, I don't buy beef to cook)
60 eggs eggs

And as for your supplementation, I have no idea what half of them are, but I'll stick with these, ON Whey and BCAAs and multivit's.

.....on convenience, don't you think that packing a few eggs in the morning with your beef chunks is pretty convenient already? Just buy some rice with curry gravy from the "cak fan" store and throw your eggs/beef in.

Hey Pizzaboy:

How much is 1 whole chicken and a kg of beef?

Shit. Today's workout suck big time. More than 1.5 hrs. DamN!

This post has been edited by Unlimited: May 1 2007, 07:51 PM

1 whole chicken , depends on the weight
it's RM6 per KG for chicken here..
beef as i said, i dono cuz i dun buy, but i intend to la soon.

u really mean these man??
about 10 eggs per day....
i'm gonna try them some day

Chow.

Hmm, I will try with 3 kg/month first. If my body fat increases significantly , then I will reduce to 2 kg/month.

Shite. That's the problem. It's hard for me to get chicken from supermarket. I don't even know how to choose a good one. And no time to cook also ler.

Perhaps , I will try to ask the Chicken Rice guy. hehe. See How much first.

Beef, quite hard to get here too. So don't think so.

And dude, you are spending Rm 90 per week for all the foods except beef.

That's Rm 360 per month. (For Natural FOOD only)

I'm spending Rm 108 per month only for Natural Food. At the moment , as I'm weighing 73 kg only , my supps are averaging about Rm 160 per month only.

That's a total of Rm 268 (For Natural Food + Supps). Way less than yours.

With that amount of food , how much protein are you getting per day?

And what's your weight now?

This post has been edited by Unlimited: May 1 2007, 09:47 PM

I weight 75.5KG. You see, you're going to spend RM360 a month for natural food. This food, is all good solid food for yourself.

You don't have to go to the mamak to order those overpriced nasi kandar which incidentally tastes nothing like the real nasi kandar.
Why do you not have time? Okay, the easiest method of preparation for the chicken is to boil them.

http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,boil...chicken,FF.html

Takes 20 mins (you need to cut the chicken right) You wake up in d' morn, quickly go prepare and boil by the time ur done shaving, ur chicken's done.

I as usual, don't count my macronutrients and calories, but I'm estimating ....about 200GMS. This has helped my recovery but has also made me gain a little weight. So I will be cutting my calories but maintaining my protein. I do not wish to gain any weight for the time being.

Actually.....i spend RM450 on my food a month (starting last month, i'm eating properly now), I don't go mamak'ing (i hate the dirty enviroment) so it's pretty okay.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: May 1 2007, 10:00 PM

wow inspired me to diet....

i am currently 100KG 180CM tall....help me to diet pls.....i want to be at least 80KG

Hmm. I see. Will try that when I'm back at home. But not for now. Don't really have much time. Aiks, you don't take Peanut Butter for your bulking phase? Can save more time with that. High Calories and Moderate in Protein.


You workout?

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Added on May 2, 2007, 12:14 am1st Week

Tuesday: Chest & Biceps

Flat Barbell Bench Press: 4 Sets X 10 , 8 , 8 , 8 (60-61kg)

EZ Bar Preacher Curls: 4 Sets X 10 , 8 , 8 , 8 (30-32 kg)

Wide Grip Barbell Bench Press: 4 Sets X 10 , 8 , 8 , 8 (47 kg)

Barbell Curls: 4 Sets X 10 , 8 , 8 , 8 (30(6) - 30(6) - 25 -27.5)

Incline Barbell Bench Press: 4 Sets X 10 , 8 , 8 , 8 (40kg)

Dumbbell Preacher Curl: 2 Sets X 10, 8 (17kg)

Decline Barbell Bench Press: 4 Sets X 10 , 8 , 8 , 8 (40-42.5kg)


Finishing Sets:

Flat Dumbbell Press: 1 Sets till Failure (11kg - 10Reps)

Super Set with;

Incline Dumbbell Press: 1 Sets till Failure (11kg - 10 Reps)

Rest 1 minute:

Incline Dumbbell Flies: 1 sets till Failure (11kg - 10 Reps)

Super set with;

Standing Alternate Dumbbell Concentration Curl: 1 Sets till Failure (Didn't do)

Bad Session. Too much delay in between. Session exceeds 60 minutes. DAMN! (90 minutes)

This post has been edited by Unlimited: May 2 2007, 12:16 AM

i never bulked dude.....

i've never believed in bulking/cutting....it sounded utterly silly to me. I mean, how can you tell that you're really losing fat when cutting?
Who knoes? U may be losing muscle.....

so i just maintain lotsa protein, lift heavy, if i feel i'm getitng a lil too far, i up my cardio (in the form of more kicking and punching and jumping)

mmmm

read this, forget bodypart splits....

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=855982

have fun gaining weight.

Erm, workout means go to gym?

GYM is expensive... cannot afford i am student, no income lol

You can always go to private gym, not those commercial gym

Can check whether weight loss or gain is muscle or fat by using bodyfat% check along with body weight no? cos with those 2 you can calculate the lean body mass.. blablabla..
still not important to you tho since you're not into that

nice link there... makes sense, but not sure of the credibility tho. but it does give me a lil more confidence that HST gonna help me to get bigger

it is FACT, that squatting releases certain .....mmmmwhat shud i say......hormones? chemicals? that will make the body grow. Squatting, is almost like the magic movement in bodybuilding.

That coupled with some good solid MP sessions. Ummm....bodybuilding growth.

I had my BF checked, and it said that 15.3% bf. Duno wat about some.......60.3KG of mass and 63% LBM. I have no idea what it meant...viva ala california fitness machine.

how much is private gym??? roughly the monthly price

Ideally in cutting phase, you are suppose to maintain your muscle mass while losing body fat. With caloric deficit and intense workout, your weight will start to decrease.

Even though your weight are decreasing , your muscle mass should remain at about the same size. That's a good indication that you are losing body fat , not muscle.

And of course, you can check with those bfat digital machine or AccuMeasure fat calipers.





You sure your Uni doesn't have gym? Try to check.

I wouldn't advise you to lose weight simply by cutting on caloric intake. It's not a good way to lose weight.


Hmm, glanced through the thread. It's a good one. That's just another mean of progressing. You can't say split aren't working either.

As long as your workout induce CONTROLLED muscle tear , with proper nutrition and rest to aid recovery, Growth(in size & strength) will occur FOR SURE. NO doubt.

Perhaps, I will try that program after I got stuck with my split routine to see the difference in growth.

This post has been edited by Unlimited: May 2 2007, 11:21 AM

If you are a beginner, it's not advisable to do split. The puny weight that you are using will be too low to induce hypertrophy. Period.

I do agree with your first statement. PERHAPS, 5X5 routine will induce greater growth than split routine.

Can I rephrase your 2nd statement in bold?

The puny weight that you are using will INDUCE LOWER RATE of hypertrophy as compared to the greater weight used in 5X5 program. That's PERIOD.

Split WORKS. BUT PERHAPS to a lesser extent than 5X5. That's PERIOD.

This post has been edited by Unlimited: May 2 2007, 03:38 PM

Strong point, you've obviously been reading, but there're a few things that experience teaches better than reading.

If you would like to use bodypart splits, it's fine, I believe bodypart splits will give you something as well. Also the weights you use I feel they definitely will provide progression, they're not exactly puny.

However, if you use fullbody routines, you're actually acclerating the rate of which growth will occur for you. Sounds like a good deal doesn't it? Wouldn't you like it? The only way a newbie (newbie meant as a person that's just started the lifting game, not as an insult) will explode with 5KG/month growth is only through compound excercises.

You see, supersetting is more for advanced trainess as well. I don't really remember bodybuilding principles, but you grind to the last bit of muscle in supersetting. Yet as a beginner, I doubt your body has the CNS ability (Or even the muscle itself) to grind those last bits of muscle. I prove my point by this:

"Finishing Sets:

Flat Dumbbell Press: 1 Sets till Failure (11kg - 10Reps)

Super Set with;

Incline Dumbbell Press: 1 Sets till Failure (11kg - 10 Reps)

Rest 1 minute:

Incline Dumbbell Flies: 1 sets till Failure (11kg - 10 Reps)

Super set with;

Standing Alternate Dumbbell Concentration Curl: 1 Sets till Failure (Didn't do)"

Truthfully, I know i can get through those without even considering it a "to failure".

My dad wants to give you a piece of advice, he says, you can either choose to go with splits and hit the brick wall earlier without as much progression, or alter your training beliefs a little and enjoy the benefits of compound workouts.

My old man benched 315LBS in his days. Trust me, he noes what he's talking about.

IF you need any help, I'll be more than happy to. Or you could ask the more bodybuilding orientated members such as musclemass, free_enuf, darkie, jones and all those.

Why include the word perhaps? It's proven over and over again

This post has been edited by musclemass: May 2 2007, 04:33 PM

Oh. Don't get the wrong idea man.

I was just clarifying Musclemass's point. He is right about his advocacy. NO DOUBT about that. But from my point of view, he wasn't clear enough in his statement. To me CLARITY is crucial. No offence dude!

Yeah. I will try on 5x5 once I'm ready for it. Yet to understand or read enough about them. : That's why I include the word PERHAPS.

Again, Thanks for sharing!

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Added on May 3, 2007, 9:16 pmThursday: Shoulders, Traps & Legs

Barbell Squat: 3 Sets x 8 (47kg (8) - 50 kg (6-6))

Barbell Shrugs: 3 Sets X 10 (62.5 - 65kg)

(SFMP) Seated Front Military Press: 4 Sets - 30kg (8),6,6,6

Leg Curl Machine (Quadriceps): 3 Sets X 10 , 8 , 8 (50kg)

(SBMP) Seated Back Military Press: 4 Sets- 30 kg (8) , 31kg (6-6-6)

Lying Leg Curl ( Hamstrings) : 3 Sets X 10 , 8 , 8 (30kg)

Side Laterals: 13.5 kg -6, 6, 6, 6

Back Laterals: 2 sets - 13.5 kg (8-8)

Seated Dumbbell Press: 2 Sets X 10, 8 - (13.5kg)


Done in 70 mins.



This post has been edited by Unlimited: May 3 2007, 09:16 PM