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darklight79
post Apr 28 2007, 02:06 PM

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Whoa. You really calculate everything.

Not enough protein! How heavy are you? Your goal? To gain lean mass? To cut? At least 1-1.5 grams of protein per POUND of bodyweight. Your "power meal, is it considered your preworkout meal?

Up your 200ml milk to 400-500ml. Some of those supplementations like Universal Cuts, lecithin, etc, you can use the cash for more food y'know. Your diet seems expensive.
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post Apr 30 2007, 12:12 PM

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Unlimited. You seem to be a tad too technical and you pay attention to very minute details which may not contribute much to the grand scheme to things. Pay more attention to the basics, less supplementation and replace it with more real food. Up your protein intake.

As for the chest/shoulder/tri (push), back/bi then legs or chest/bi and back/tri, etc. It's all a matter of personal preference. Some might argue that the former split gives you more recovery time and the latter split lets you utilize more poundages so you can work those muscles to their fullest potential. I say to each his own, whatever works for you.

The split Terry got me on currently is Monday- Chest and Arms, Wednesday - Leg and Calf (raping session) day and Friday Back and shoulders but i had to make a modification shifting tris together with back and shoulders because my tris are pretty fried by the time i'm done with all the pressing movements for chest and i feel like i can't work my tris with sufficient intensity to stimulate growth.
Again to each his own because it depends on your goals, the volume of your workouts and the intensity, etc. There're too many factors to give a definite answer.

All of these guys, including me are just helping you list out your options, at the end of the day, you need to do what suits you. My 0.02.
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post Apr 30 2007, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(Unlimited @ Apr 30 2007, 03:04 PM)
hey darklight79:
Yeah. Pardon me about my details as I'm pretty much just a beginner in bodybuilding. I tend to devise my routine & diet plan based on what I've read from the internet as I don't have much credible information from the big guy in my gym. As they were on steroids and their advice seems to be illogical to me.

I got it.  That's why I'm really glad that you guys would share your view  in our quest to be BIG, real BIG  brows.gif

Hmm, I will stick with this amount of protein consumption first until i reach my plateau. I'm aiming for 1g per lb for workout day.

As for non-workout day, I will up the protein consumption once growth ceased.

Anyway this is my stats as of today (1st week Bulking):

Arms: R 14.1inch L 14.05inch (Last week: R & L: 13.9 inch) PUNY ARMS ALERT!
DAMN IT! vmad.gif

Waist : 30.5 inch (Last week: 30.5 inch)

Body fat: Lazy to measure (will take Waistline as reference point for body fat)

Chest:(Lazy , will take arms measurement as reference point for growth )

Weight: 73 kg (Last week : 72-72.5 kg)

Again, thanks for sharing!

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More protein. Aim for 1.5g/lb bw on workout days. Aim for 1g/lb bw on non workout days.

Btw, what's your bodypart split now?

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post Apr 30 2007, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(musclemass @ Apr 30 2007, 08:59 PM)
A can of tuna is at most RM3.50. You spend too much on supplements.

I spend less than RM70 a month on supplement and I don't see how my growth is limited by it.
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I like this post. Ditto for me, i spend maybe just a tad more than you. Unlimited, you are seriously using too much money on supplements. Lol. They aren't magic. Nothing gets the job done like real food.
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post Apr 30 2007, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(Unlimited @ Apr 28 2007, 12:19 PM)
My Typical Diet Plan for Bulking (Current Weight : 73 kg)

Breakfast:

1 Serving of Instant Oatmeal (5 Spoons) + 1 Serving of Vico (2 Spoons) + 0.5 Scoop of Real Gains + 0.5 Scoop of ON Whey + 200ml (Marigold Low Fat Milk) + 1 Capsule of Kre-Alkalyn + 1 Tablet of Pharmaton Multivitamins + 1 Tablet of Blackmores Ginkgo Biloba + 0.5 Serving of Lechitin

Total Calories: 523

Total Protein: 36.3 G
Lunch
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1 Full Serving of Rice + Steamed Chicken Breast

Total Calories: 476 (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)

Total Protein: 20.2 G (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)
Power Meal (2hrs before Workout)   biggrin.gif

4 pcs of Jacobs Low Salt High Fibre + 1 Serving of Peanut Butter (Daisy = 2 Spoons) + 1 Scoop of Real Gains + 200 ml (Marigold Low Fat Milk) + 1 Cup of Boh Green Tea (No Sugar)

Total Calories: 663 Calories

Total Protein: 33.4 G
Pre workout Supplementation (30-40 minutes Before Workout)

1 Capsule of Kre-Alkalyn + 1 Tablet of Universal Super Cuts
Post Workout Shake (Immediately after workout)

1 Spoon of Glucolin + 1.25 Scoops of ON Whey

Total Calories : 315

Total Protein: 30 G
Dinner (1-2 hrs after Post Workout Shake)

Rice + Steamed Chicken Breast + Vegetable + 1 Capsule of MAN Vaporize

Total Calories: 476 (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)

Total Protein: 20.2 G (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)
Post Dinner Meal (2 hrs after Dinner)

1 pc of Jacobs Low Salt High Fibre + 0.5 Servings of Peanut Butter (Daisy = 1 Spoon)

Total Calories: 147.33

Total Protein: 4.6 G
Pre Bedtime Shake( 1 hr after Post Dinner Meal)

0.5 Scoop of Real Gains + 0.5 Scoop of ON Casein + 0.5 Serving of Lechitin + 200 ml (Marigold Low Fat Milk)

Total Calories: 260

Total Protein :  27 G
Total Calories Consumed Per Day (Workout Day) : 2860.33

Total Protein Consumed Per Day (Workout Day) : 171.7 G
NON Workout Day:
Breakfast Same with Workout Day

Total Calories: 523

Total Protein: 36.3 G

Note: Just without Kre-Alkalyn
Lunch:

100 Grams of Pasta (San Remo) + 1 Serving of Spicy Sardines Canned (Ayam Brands = 1 whole sardine) + 1 Serving TC Boys Chili Tuna with Chili Padi ( 1 can = 4 Servings)

Total Calories: 588 Calories

Total Protein: 29.4 G
Mid Day Snack

1 Serving of Jacobs Low Salt High Fibre (3pcs) + 0.5 Serving of Peanut Butter (Daisy = 1 Spoon) + 2 White Eggs ( 1 whole egg + 1 white only)

Total Calories: 314

Total Protein: 15.8
Dinner

Rice + Steamed Chicken Breast + Vegetable + 1 Capsule of MAN Vaporize

Total Calories: 476 (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)

Total Protein: 20.2 G (Estimation from http://www.nutriweb.org.my)
Post Dinner Meal:

1 pc of Jacobs Low Salt High Fibre + 0.5 Serving of Peanut Butter (Daisy = 1 Spoon) + 2 White Eggs ( 1 whole egg + 1 white only)

Total Calories: 227.3

Total Protein: 14.6
Pre Bedtime Shake( 1 hr after Post Dinner Meal)

0.5 Scoop of Real Gains + 0.5 Scoop of ON Casein + 0.5 Serving of Lechitin + 200 ml (Marigold Low Fat Milk)

Total Calories: 260

Total Protein :  27 G
Total Calories Consumed Per Day (NON Workout Day) : 2388.33

Total Protein Consumed Per Day (NON Workout Day) : 143.3 G
Do let me know if there's any comment or suggestion with my diet plan.

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See those things i bolded? Creatine is fine, but WHY must you use capsule form? It's so much more expensive.

Wtf? Real Gains? Food gives you real gains, not crap like that.

Lecithin?Bah!

Universal Super Cuts preworkout? And you're on a bulking diet? I don't care if you say it's for an energy booster, there are a lot more cheaper ways to boost energy.

ON Casein, lol. You say you're a poor student, and you're using ON Casein which is bloody expensive when i can emulate the same effect with milk and whey or what musclemass does, milk and cheese prebedtime.

Do you see how much precious cash you're blowing away?
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post Apr 30 2007, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(Unlimited @ Apr 30 2007, 10:21 PM)
Hhahahahahah! All right. I must admit , I'm a detail FREAK!  tongue.gif

Hmm, Aiks? Expensive? U must be joking man.

I'm taking Scifit Kre-Alkalyn (240 Capsules)= Rm 105.

1 capsule: Rm 0.44 .

If yours can beat that , and it's in Kre-Alkalyn form , then I will definitely switch to yours.

Real Gains Crap? Don't think so. It's a bit expensive , but well worth it for me. Cause, it's hard for me to find natural foods that are high in calories, Carb (moderate GI)&  protein here. And of course, convenient.

Lechitin. That's just me. Hehe . This is not for body building. (We shall leave this out)

Okie. For Super Cuts , it's just leftover from my cutting phase. I have to agree with you. This is surplus to my requirement. I don't need it. I will stop consuming them. H  ehe. I will drink more BOH Green Tea! Hehe.

Okie. About ON Casein, I have to agree with you. It's bloody expensive.
But I thought the extras are justified with the BCAA's bundled in it. And yeah, it's low in calories. (I bought it for my cutting phase) I'm consuming the leftover now.

This will be my last tub if there's a better option out there.

And yeah , I have to admit...................

I'M DESPERATE!!!!!!!  tongue.gif (Just look at my STATS)
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I will still tell you that Real Gains are crap, that you will be better off using the money on something else. Do not be like those stubborn young teens on bb.com who keep persisting in thinking that supplements are the absolute magical tool as a means to getting big.
There're many people i know who've gotten huge and strong with just basic supplementation, whey. But you don't even have your basic nutrition right and you're into all sorts of funky supplements.
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post May 6 2007, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(musclemass @ May 6 2007, 07:30 PM)
That's all you need right now.
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I second this.

QUOTE(Unlimited @ May 6 2007, 08:39 PM)
Hey Musclemass:

Yeah. I might understand your advocacy on leaving out principles no 2 & 3 in devising workout routine.

Errm , as for principle no: 4 . I don't understand. Why is that?

In fact, I've been trying to find articles or credible information to defy principle no 4 but to no avail. This principle is restricting me from performing more exercises per session. As for now, the acceptable limit for me is 70 minutes only.

Btw, what is your average duration per workout session?
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Unlimited, visualize a sculptor who wants to sculpt the perfect statue. You want to create a beautiful work of art, you need a lot of material correct? You need a lot of marble/rock/whatever. If there isn't much material/mass to begin with, what's the point of trying to sculpt something? Do you get the point?

* Btw, about the one hour thing, if I'm doing back and shoulder day, they tend to extend beyond an hour, but i try not to let it go above 1.5 hours, but i try taking in my dextrose and creatine an hour into the workout, and then my whey upon completion of the workout.
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post May 6 2007, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(musclemass @ May 6 2007, 10:51 PM)
Anywhere between 60-90 mins
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Show me your goddamn face pic to prove you're not my twin! Lol.
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post May 7 2007, 12:47 PM

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IMO, any sort of weight lifting movement wouldn't be counterproductive if you can pull them off well within an hour. (The anabolic period for workout session )


Lol... so i'm gonna pick up little pink dumbells weighting just 2.5 kgs are doing endless reps to get the pump, but hey... i'm gonna do it within an hour, i guess it'll still be productive.

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Hypertrophy doesn't require maximum poundage. Progressive poundage is sufficient to induce hypertrophy.
Hahahhaa.


How do you define maximum poundage and how do you define progressive poundage? You can't categorize in absolutes.

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Haha. We can never stop asserting our way of doing it. There is no clear right or wrong. You are partly right and so am I. Haha.
No, you're still like those teens from bb.com who disregards good advice and stubbornly keeps sticking to what you're doing wrong. We're jsut trying to help out based on experience and saving you the trouble of making the many mistakes we did.

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I will definitely grow based on my way. You will grow too on your way. The only difference is the rate.
Oh yeah, at least that much i agree. So you prefer to grow at a slower rate, as long as you're growing right? But hey... y'know, musclemass and i are giving you the same advice Terry Gallyot was giving to Joey Kun when we visited his gym, but I guess it's your right to try doing things your own way. Good luck. smile.gif

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post May 7 2007, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(musclemass @ May 7 2007, 01:26 PM)
Lesson of the day, compounds+eat+rest=grow
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Heh... I also like my usual sentence:-

Food + more food + time + genetics + exercise = growth
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post May 29 2007, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(carlsuen @ May 29 2007, 02:10 PM)
DUDE!! DEADLIFTS are a MUST in everyones workout regime!! and U ARE MESSING WITH THE PROGRAMME!!! go do ur hypers..

continue to shoot for a higher DL!! i GUARANTE U that ur arms will GROW!! are u eating enough??! if u aren't, no matter how much bicep curls u're doing, U JUST WON"T GROW!! 

feel like slapping all who thinks about short term gains.. and don't see the bigger picture..
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Sorry, wrong. Deadlifts are NOT a must for every program. You can still build a very impressive back without deadlifts.

BASIC direct arm work makes the biceps grow, but too many get too carried away with endless sets and neglect everything else.
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post Jun 2 2007, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(Unlimited @ May 30 2007, 08:41 PM)
Wednesday - Workout A:

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Not so good.

Struggled with Flat Bench Press cause my left wrist still hurts from last Saturday's Close Grip Bench Press.

And didn't manage to finish my power meal.  (4pcs Jacobs + 2 Spoon of Peanut Butter). I had 1 scoop of Real gains + 200ml Milk only... Not enough.

Workout duration - 1hr 20 minutes.
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You hurt your wrist from the CGBP because your grip width was too narrow. The term "Close Grip Bench Press" can be a bit deceiving. Your grip should be shoulder width with elbows tucked in, not flared out. Any grip narrower than that is asking for an injury to happen.
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post Jun 2 2007, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(Unlimited @ Jun 2 2007, 04:29 PM)
OH shite. No wonder. I gripped about 8 inches apart only. Yeah, my elbows are tucked in.

Thanks man! I will try that out once my wrist got better.
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Yeah, because gripping too narrow will put your wrists in an unnatural position causing unnecessary strain. It should be labeled Shoulder Grip Bench Press instead. But it's an excellent tricep mass builder and one of the best assistance lifts for the bench press.

 

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