sometimes not everyone can do wat excatly wat they suppose to do.
its more on understanding n reacting problems.

........... ignore-ed.
so i said, shackle or trap as long as it's a CC there.. doesnt matter.
wat r u trying to say? i really dun get ur point.

just sayin, didnt gg us.

if u l2read

that is talking abt the holy priest in mimi's raid case.


spammer.

mimi still learning the fight wor. first time go in wor. better to look like a fool asking for help making mistakes than having to get stopped by moroes for the next few weeks. then i veli veli malu alredi.

then you have to l2post. because it wasnt directed to anyone specifically and i am merely responding to a post within a thread.

myremi: np np, take ur time... no rush... less epics less repairs lolz... (im already feeling the epic "weight" already )

yeah, the repair bills are pricey, i'd think. but sometimes, feel so geram when we can't even do much. like with attumen, still need to go a few times before downing him. bleargh.

sigh...last nite...attumen -> chess....4 silly wipes due to us playing the fool and mucking around...24g in repairs..

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Added on April 27, 2007, 4:53 pmif u wipe at attumen its normally 2 reasons only

1- Dps need to l2p and not aggro

2- MT needs to thundeclap and pull attumen immidiatly when he spawns

cos besides that...healers just need to spam on OT/MT, Dps just needs to nuke attumen...no moving around...no debuffs....no poisons...no aoe

This post has been edited by jwrx: Apr 27 2007, 04:53 PM

Reason 2. Even when we swap MT/OT roles, they seem to have problems picking up Attumen. OT is on the horse. MT is in front of the casters to pick up Attumen.

Does Attumen spawn next to the horse or near the wagon?

MT1 tried to pick up Attumen when he spawned with thunderclasp but couldn't seem to. We switched to misdirect Attumen to him and it was better. Then found out that Sunder Armor doesn't work well so had to switch to Shield Bash / Slam.

Another time was phase 2. 2 tanks had problems picking up Attumen when he mounted up. After mounting up, someone gets charged until the warrior can pick him up. We put Misdirect and stood in front of the casters.

It only happened at these 2 occasions. Any other occasion, the tanks can hold aggro.

This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 27 2007, 05:07 PM

nothing so malu... my raid progress lagi malu..

so i see some show off b@ start keep show off the epic n being bzbody to respone other ppl's reply-quoted-post.

The problem is with the tanks. They are just not picking up fast enough. Some tips here...

1. Attunmen spawns next to the horse on the left (assuming you are tanking horse where it is)
2. He spawns when horse is 95%.
3. Since tank's TC failed... remind him he has demo shout to draw agro.
4. Phase 2... get MT to position where horse/attunmen mounts up, OT inbetween the raid and attunmen.

That should work. Good luck

also...pls make sure your tanks

are not:
- Turning with A and D keys...i have seen tanks do this...its OMGFPL2P
- using mouse clicks to activate skills/actions

are:
binding all thier skills to keys like f,g,z,x,c,1,2,3,4


If u still having problems....get a paladin to OT....paladins are great OT in kara because of Consecrate

And if your tanks cant handle attumen....u will never get pass the Opera trash.... 2 pairs of skeletal Ushers, Ushers are a true test of wether your tanks are capable of doing Kara

Atumen = Gear check
Moroes = dps check
Maiden = healer check
Usher = tank check
curator = endurance check
Aran = Stupidity check(if u have dumb raiders...u dun pass Aran)

Kara is unlike any lvl 60 raid...last time...u can afford to be nice...player X not very good..but nvm...he my good friend...we take him along for MC...player Y is a sucky healer ..but who cares...we got 15 other priest in the MC raid

in kara....even 1 idiot....will wipe your raid...cant be nice anymore..either u L2P....or u dun come kara....

when my guild first started kara..i still try to be nice and include everyone...but after freaking 8 wipes in a row on moroes due to lack of dps/healing...we got tough..only dedicated players who put in the time and effort...got to raid kara....now, in 1 nite we can get to Aran

my raid requirements

dps class
burst dps (5sec) 650+dps
sustained dps (5min) 600+dps

healer
min 1000+ heal
7k hp/7kmp for cloth healer
9k hp/ 9k mp for plate healer

when everyone meets the requitement..it makes the kara run SOOOO much esier

ur at shade anyways, also have ur fair share of epics, nothing special for my part.

its call post and reply, get it? thats what you do on forums. nothing special about that either.

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Added on April 28, 2007, 2:09 ammmm very good checklist

oh oh and i pass ur dps checklist too...

~800-1.2k burst...
700-900 sustained of over 5min
\o/

our tanks getting love too for tonight... bout damn time >.>
so many raids and zero tanking gear

=edit=
oh yea, i should perhaps copy down ur post and nazi reign my raid harder too... cuz running kara with prot pallies and shit makes me wanna gouge my eyes off and squish it in front of my monitor...

gonna really require people to spec like real raiders instead of play like some buncha clowns.

myremi: tip on grabbing attument early. tc as everyone mentioned at first, then have the tank to spam his shieldslam button AND HS button as he is moving to attument (if he still didnt have aggro), once either one of it lands, it should be on the tank.

also tank midnight as further back to the stables wall as possible, so it gives your raid more time for attumen incase the tank still isnt on the ball on grabbing it.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 28 2007, 02:12 AM

jrwx : I like the raid gear check. Thanks. Been looking high and low for something like that.

Everyone else : Thanks for the tips guys.

If i may disagree, curator is definitely a dps check fight and not endurance.

Aran, Prince, Netherspite and Nightbane are all fights that require good team communication. Sorta like teach u to coordinate n communicate properly to get u rdy for 25mans.

Skeleton ushers are actually very easy to deal with. Both tanks have to ensure that they're 1st on the aggro list for the main target, and 2nd on the aggro list for their secondary target which can be accomplished by tab targetting to sunder etc. Otherwise a healer will get it when one of the tanks is frozen. Just make sure that no one starts dps until the tanks have been frozen once. Cleaving and thunderclapping alone won't ensure that the ushers stay on you.

Just sharing my experiences I guess.

Free Action pots are ur fren. And spell reflect (totally luck base haha but u can reflect it)

Consumables on trash?
...

Actually last time i used faps were on those drakonids before chromaggus. ahh the good old days of 40 mans

Anyway my biggest problem with karazhan atm is nightbane.. I would love to tank him but i'm afraid my 1kms latency means i just don't have enough time to stance dance. And no fear ward

or tremor totems either

haha is cheap pots. and makes everything so much smoother. whats popping 1g(or less) of pots twice every week of any value.

and how u mt with 1k ms is beyond me. props to ya.

... it's not that fun tbh. When the connection is good i can easily do my job with a yellow bar. It's just that the connection has been nightmarish after 1am for me last few weeks. But what to do when you're needed by the guild?

It helps that you know what to do at each encounter and it certainly helps that my guildies understand my situation and trust me to lead the group, make the pulls and tank. Still, going through the trauma of disconnecting at around 15% on curator and relogging at 5% to still find him there is not an experience i would like to wish on anyone.

of course you can disagree this is my opinion mar...anyway...for healers its a endurance fight, cos normally its about a 8-9 min fight....which means even a holy pally will be running low on mana....mana conservation is key.

but i agree dps is important...curator is a burst dps check...cant get addds down fast enuff...too much dmg on raid=healers oom= wipe

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Added on April 30, 2007, 9:46 amwith good tanks its a piece of cake, we run tru new recruits on ushers....a good player will get it after 1-2 wipes, maybe losing some healers along the way. a bad player...after 4-5wipes....still cannot get it one....thats when we kick

anyway, we paladins now, much esier, just holy wrath and consecrate...no issue of losing aggro

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Added on April 30, 2007, 9:50 amremi,

btw...its just a guide.....cos certain classes like afflic lock...will have lower burst..but much higher sustained....so cant use it as a unmovable target. but it lets your raiders know where they stand....and what they should be aiming for.

but 6.8- 7k hp is about the minimum for any class, otherwise u get 1-shotted in later fights

alot of players dun understand that you dont GEAR UP in Kara....u must be geared up BEFORE u enter kara. Get all your hear in heroics and quest b4 entering.

This post has been edited by jwrx: Apr 30 2007, 09:50 AM